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USB is faster though

All the modem are different now. Depends if you have fiber, cable, DSL and which brand. There is no universal modem technology.

Is is a router, also with a small built-in switch. It has what you asked for except the connection to the physical cable that comes into the house. There are to many different kinds.

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USB 3 would NOT make you backup go faster. The bottle neck is not the disk, it's the network. even with "ac" speeds the network will no be as fast as USB2. There is no reason for USB3 on a router.

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Why didn't Apple put Thunderbolt on the router? They have six TB 2 ports on the new Mac Pro so I'd want multiple Thunderbolts on the router too?

OK seriously now, what is the point of USB 3 on a router. USB 2 is not being stressed so it would be a waste to put a USB 3 on a WiFi router, just like those TB orts would be a waste

Granted, at a USB 2.0 rated speed of 480mbps at "n" or the new "ac" I would not be feeding the router that fast. My current N network, and my Apple devices are all N, could send the data at 300mbps, and the USB 2.0 should keep up. Theory is nice. Regardless, based on all the posts in this thread, I think I would get the benefit of a faster backup, using the same USB 3.0 WD attached to my current Airport Express, if the new APE had a 3.0 port. Really, what would it have hurt? I think it would have improved my backups, even slightly is better than nothing. So, is the bottleneck the Wi-Fi, or the speed between my current AEP and my attached hard drive? So, you are saying that if I buy one of those new Docking Stations, that hook up to my 2011 iMac, (which does not have USB 3.0) and feed a USB 3.0 drive (say running at 7200 RPM), I would not notice a difference? As opposed to connecting it to my current USB 2.0 ports? I think I would notice a difference.
 
What's interesting to me would be the range....

2.4 Ghz still has the best range...
5 Ghz has more bandwidth but less range..

Wonder who this will work...

I have two Apple Extreme's that I am pleased with for the past 4 years!
 
You realize that Real-world GigE speed tops out around 70 MB/s, right?

And that there's gotta be a pretty fast drive (drives, if we're honest) reading AND writing over this network?

And that Real-world USB3 speeds can get up to 400 MB/s?

If people are whining about wanting USB3 so they can read/write at about 20% of the protocol's real-world capability, then I'd have to back out of this debate.

20% of the protocol's real-world capability is still faster than what we have with USB2.

Just because it can't use the full capability of USB3 in every task doesn't mean that it isn't worth having or that it isn't a disappointment that it doesn't have that feature.
 
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All that wasted space, but still only 3 GigE ports, only one USB port that too USB2! What's with the odd trash can type design?

Agreed on the ports. I could justify it when the Extreme and Time Capsule were the old size, or even if Apple sold switches, and wanted to make that money. But they don't have a dog on that fight, and there is plenty of room to put another port on (to match the competition) or maybe two or three (to elevate the Apple option).
 
Agreed on the ports. I could justify it when the Extreme and Time Capsule were the old size, or even if Apple sold switches, and wanted to make that money. But they don't have a dog on that fight, and there is plenty of room to put another port on (to match the competition) or maybe two or three (to elevate the Apple option).

Because this is Apple.

Physical Media is dead, Physical Connections will soon be dead.. Next up, No more Physical Peripherals. (don't you dare think Apple isn't already working on that ;) )
 
Because this is Apple.

Physical Media is dead, Physical Connections will soon be dead.. Next up, No more Physical Peripherals. (don't you dare think Apple isn't already working on that ;) )

Sorry. Don't buy into that. Wireless is great. But I own a centralized home networking/home theater system in a self-contained "closet," and for reliability, security, consistency and speed reasons I will always choose wired over wireless when the option is there. Only having three ports on the Time Capsule causes me to buy a network switch for the lack of just one port.
 
what was wrong with the previous generation airport extreme? i don't see the reason why apple had to increase the height. :confused:
 
Nice! But why are there only 3 ethernet ports now?! There were 4 before, and even that was too few.

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Give it 4G LTE capability :D

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AirPort Extreme is $199 time capsule starts at $299


Ordered a 2tb time capsule

Sounds good, but what the heck is your font? :p
 
what was wrong with the previous generation airport extreme? i don't see the reason why apple had to increase the height. :confused:

Its hard to visual it without a reference in the photo, but its the footprint of an AE (or AppleTV) and its only 6" tall.

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Sorry. Don't buy into that. Wireless is great. But I own a centralized home networking/home theater system in a self-contained "closet," and for reliability, security, consistency and speed reasons I will always choose wired over wireless when the option is there. Only having three ports on the Time Capsule causes me to buy a network switch for the lack of just one port.

I know its hard to buy into.. But, its truly where the market is headed.

Two brand new Middle Schools they are building in my town are completely wireless. the only copper is the runs to the AP's, and to the IP Phones.
(and of course the Cisco backend)

This device is obviously targeted towards home users anyway. And the majority of them dont have a clue how to setup a bluray player, much less a centralized home network.

I don't see copper disappearing entirely- but as more any more devices adapt to wireless, there is very little need for extra ports on a home router.
 
Nice! But why are there only 3 ethernet ports now?! There were 4 before, and even that was too few.

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Give it 4G LTE capability :D

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Sounds good, but what the heck is your font? :p

There were three outgoing (LAN) ports before. There are three now. No change.

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what was wrong with the previous generation airport extreme? i don't see the reason why apple had to increase the height. :confused:

The height difference was for antenna spacing. And to make my Time Capsule wall mount obsolete... :eek:
 
Not sure how all this wifi stuff works. I currently have the previous airport extreme.

Would upgrading to this one be worth it?



Can anybody elaborate on why this is so? I will get a haswell MBP when released so for that reason alone worth it, but what about for streaming via my apple TV? would I need to upgrade my apple TV as well to get the speed benefits? I'm assuming so.


No longer cat-proof? Wouldn't be very happy hearing my backup go thump in the night.

Easy. Get rid of the cat...
 
This is my problem with your post, so apparently Apple (because no one else sells routers like N900 type...) makes these products because ignorants will buy them.
Try reading my post again.

There's no problem buying a wireless router that happens to support 802.11ac if you need a wireless router, even if you cannot benefit from 802.11ac.

The problem is that Apple (and others) are not providing trustworthy guidance that most people should not rush out to upgrade their wireless routers because most people will not see any benefit whatsoever in doing so. They would simply be wasting money. Most is not all.

My post is very clear. Apple was not.
 
would I need to upgrade my apple TV as well to get the speed benefits? I'm assuming so.

yes. the wifi is 802.11 a/b/g/n

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Try reading my post again.

There's no problem buying a wireless router that happens to support 802.11ac if you need a wireless router, even if you cannot benefit from 802.11ac.

The problem is that Apple (and others) are not providing trustworthy guidance that most people should not rush out to upgrade their wireless routers because most people will not see any benefit whatsoever in doing so. They would simply be wasting money. Most is not all.

My post is very clear. Apple was not.

why would people do that?
even someone with the most peripheral knowledge of computing should know that there are different kinds of wi-fi. Hey, the letters are different! I wonder if my thing has that. No? well then ostensibly i don't need it.
 
Why choose your router based on built-in ethernet ports at all? Seems like the least important spec. It's a router, it's primary function is to connect to and manage a modem, and to run a DHCP and NAT server. Most "home routers" also have built-in wifi access point because thats what most home-users use these days.

If you want more ports, Ethernet switches are pretty cheap and come in all sorts of sizes to fit anyones needs.

Here you go, 8 more ports: http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10521&cs_id=1052104&p_id=7857&seq=1&format=2

If I were to design a router, it would have one WAN port and one LAN port. The user would be expected to bring a switch if they needed more LAN ports.

Another device, another piece of clutter, more space used on my shelf, another wall-wart to squeeze into the surge strip...that's why. It may as well be all in one device. It's not just a router, it's a switch as well. When Wi-Fi works as well as a wired connection, then maybe I won't care anymore.
 
After a time, one simply gets fatigued with all the various sniping negativity. It's fine if you hold an opposing view or wish to lodge a constructive criticism. But, if you're here just to appear that you're clever in your oblique negativity, you're just taking up space and adding nothing to the discussion. Personally, I want Apple to succeed. I have a lot invested in that outcome (my work, not stock). I, too, want Apple to make the best decisions. My approach is to think of myself as a hired contributor with a voice who might hold stock. Sure, offer suggestions. Take a stand on actions you think off-base. But, gosh, minimize the self-centered, whiny protestations which offer no useful advance.

You must be new around here.
 
Why not add them full capabilities of modem/router?

Coax on an Apple device? When pigs fly ;)

But any ISP would install a modem for you, so there's no need. Well, unless they're jerks. I'm not excusing Apple's apparent hate for coax. The Apple TV ought to have it.
 
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