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Apple Announces New Aluminum MacBooks

kabunaru said:
I actually still think that the new MacBook starts a new transition (removal of FireWire) as the MacBook Air starts the removal of optical drives.
Does anyone see we are moving into a new age here?
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I cant really see how the removal of optical and the removal of FW of an entirely different product can be related at all.

I do see alot of people who are taking this as some sort of personal insult however...which is sad in a way.


THANK GOD apple destroyed that joke that is combo drive tho, if it was on the new macbook i woulda flipped a ****.

I was a little dissapointed with only 2 GB of RAM, but its DDR3 (pricey) and apple is actually being reasonable with their upgrade pricing for DDR3 ram.
 
NT1440 said:
Sooo..... let me get this straight

Theres people complaining that they need the FW port now found only on the pro. Their reasoning for not getting the pro is price. Yet ROFL :)rolleyes:wat are we 10?) you expect someone to also go out and pick up, or already have purchased an external monitor?


Something dont add up in this equation....
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Yes. Many of us, beleive it or not already have external monitors.

You.....just don't get it, do you?
 
kabunaru said:
New MacBook or New MacBook Pro: which do you gentlemen dislike more? :D
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MacBook. This is my thought process:

- **** that MBP is expensive ($600 increase over here, with the EDU discount dropping)
- Hmm I could go for a MacBook though, has decent graphics now
- Oh that's right no FireWire
*Bitches about Apple etc*
- *Bends over. Orders base model MBP with EDU for $3155 including remote, FW800-400 cable and Mini DisplayPort-DVI*
 
Will the new MacBooks be the new "Fat" iPod Nano? Where it's replace after a short while and conveniently glossed over?

Nah! Too much to hope for.

But I think it is extremely retarded to ditch FireWire 400 on the MacBooks. Updated devices should come with increased functionality, not less! Apple is supposed to make devices that you want to upgrade in a heartbeat, not make you rethink your next purchase.

I like the aluminium unibody, but that glass panel just made the whole thing look cheesy. :mad:
 
myca said:
I think it was this comment:

"Theres people complaining that they need the FW port now found only on the pro. Their reasoning for not getting the pro is price. Yet ROFL (wat are we 10?) you expect someone to also go out and pick up, or already have purchased an external monitor?"

But it sounds like you're trying to play devils avocado to a fair few peeps who aren't happy about what they see as a blunder.
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Oh yea, that one guy kinda ticked me off (i dont remember who it was). He's laughing at me for not considering an external monitor, which costs money, yet the main thing keeping people from getting the Pro for FW is price.

Yes i realize that you can get an external monitor for a decent price, but if you need it that bad for "pro" work then id assume you wouldnt run out and buy some POS for $250
 
Andrew K. said:
It was not mentioned but when you configure the 1,299 version the only choice is backlit keyboard ( english or spanish ). Someone on the forum chatted with an Apple Rep and said they are included and the site will be changed to reflect that, and I called Apple and they said my order included a Backlit Keyboard as it is included standard throughout the new line except for the old white macbook.
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i would love for you and the Apple rep to be correct but i dont think its the case going by this page :(
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Seriously

PeteyKohut said:
I'm skipping this. Not to mention the glossy screen. I don't need to see my own reflection when I'm working on my Macintosh. I'll be holding onto my 12" Powerbook thank you very much. Way to go Steve & Co. Way to go. If these had Firewire and Matte screens I'd be at the store in line now.
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Petey said it all. I have two 12" Powerbooks, one for work, the other for music recording with Maudio gear. I too will be using them regularly until there is something that can possibly replace it. The glossy screen is a big no for me. And looks like the only way you can get Firewire into one of these new MBs is with an adapter: http://www.usbfirewire.com/uadapters.html which will run you $119.

I say this update is sad. The box looks nice, but... and many other buts following that but :) Is it that hard to make a 13 or 12 inch MacBook Pro? When Apple came out with the 12" Powerbook they had Pro Stories from the startpage running, with photographers around the world loving the fact that the little 12" was perfect for the field. Some of us don't want the screen real estate of the 15", or the weight for that matter. With a few memorized keyboard shortcuts and zoom from the trackpad we can get by fine with a smaller screen. I"ve traveled with the 12" all over the place and it is wonderful. C'mon Apple, give us a smaller form factor. The 12" PB is getting pretty old.
 
NT1440 said:
Fixed that for you.
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Right, got me, I'm sitting in my multi-million dollar studio bitching about an extra $500- $700... Of course I'm talking hobbyists, there's a lot more of them than the professionals, and Apple used to be THE computer to use for them. Not so much any more...

Isaac
 
The loss of firewire may upset a few college students doing audio/video editing courses and a few pros that prefer the smaller form factor/price of the new MacBook, but the MacBook has always been a consumer orientated device. And for much the same reasoning Apple abandoned firewire connectivity from iPods they are doing the same with the MacBook.

As much as you would like to believe these laptops are geared towards students doing video/audio editing, Apple is chasing a much more lucrative and larger demographic- late 20-early 30's, in well paid jobs, that have higher disposable incomes.

And these people aren't buying miniDV camcorders- they're buying Flip and hard drive/flash camcorders that almost exclusively use USB2.

Does it suck? Yes. But history has showed that the better format/interface doesn't always win. The majority of computer users couldn't tell you what lead connects their equipment to their computer. They will tell you, if asked, the one that came with it in the box.
 
myca said:
I think it was this comment:

"Theres people complaining that they need the FW port now found only on the pro. Their reasoning for not getting the pro is price. Yet ROFL (wat are we 10?) you expect someone to also go out and pick up, or already have purchased an external monitor?"

But it sounds like you're trying to play devils avocado to a fair few peeps who aren't happy about what they see as a blunder.
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It sounds that way to me too
 
Rassybat said:
Yes. Many of us, beleive it or not already have external monitors.

You.....just don't get it, do you?
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Im not really sure why you intend on making my playing devils advocate into a personal tick, but so be it.

How'd you buy that external monitor fella (werent you the one saying you cant go pro because it costs to much? if not then ive responded to way too many people tonight and am getting jumbled up)

Edit: for anyone that doesnt know, I'd actually prefer FW to be there, Ive just been posting why I see apple felt the need to remove it.
 
What time will these new Macbooks arrive in store tomorrow? Some guy told me it'll be during the afternoon...
 
studentson said:
I think the graphics upgrade is wonderful for everybody, especially the creative folk!

Editing photo's and browsing through them will be much quicker and convenient.
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No, a faster GPU will not influence that at all.
 
NT1440 said:
Thats your problem right there. Two apple there are two markets: Pro and consumer. If you have "pro" tendancies then apple is hoping (by stiff arming you) into the Pro computer.

I'm speaking from the business side here, not the customer. I'd love a FW port, but I can see what apple is doing to differenciate their lines.
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Funny, I can't. It used to be the Macbooks had firewire 400 and the pros had firewire 800, that's differentiating. Dropping the firewire on the macbooks is attempted bullying. It's going to bite them...

Isaac
 
With the Air and optical drive, and now with the MB and firewire, Apple is shoving their wireless world philosophy down everyone's throats. It seems to me that customer demand should dictate product design, rather than the other way around. I'm not sure how much more the loyal apple base can take before it finally revolts.

That being said, I think the new MB is a beautiful piece of machinery, like the new glass trackpad and and rarely, if ever, use firewire, and will need a new laptop for school, so I definitely am in the market for a new MB.

However, a laundry list of things: the (un)competitive pricing, the fact that apple reduced the education discount, the lack of FW and aforementioned Apple dogmatism... Make me reconsider.

Truthfully, I'm considering buying a refurb Penryn MBP right now.
 
isaacc7 said:
Funny, I can't. It used to be the Macbooks had firewire 400 and the pros had firewire 800, that's differentiating. Dropping the firewire on the macbooks is attempted bullying. It's going to bite them...

Isaac
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Well now theres no FW and FW800 on the mbp, hows that for differenciation for you?:p
 
Goliath said:
The loss of firewire may upset a few college students doing audio/video editing courses and a few pros that prefer the smaller form factor/price of the new MacBook, but the MacBook has always been a consumer orientated device. And for much the same reasoning Apple abandoned firewire connectivity from iPods they are doing the same with the MacBook.

As much as you would like to believe these laptops are geared towards students doing video/audio editing, Apple is chasing a much more lucrative and larger demographic- late 20-early 30's, in well paid jobs, that have higher disposable incomes.

And these people aren't buying miniDV camcorders- they're buying Flip and hard drive/flash camcorders that almost exclusively use USB2.

Does it suck? Yes. But history has showed that the better format/interface doesn't always win. The majority of computer users couldn't tell you what lead connects their equipment to their computer. They will tell you, if asked, the one that came with it in the box.
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Even if everything you said is 100% accurate (and I'm not disagreeing), they could have accomplished all of that and kept the firewire so that they could have kept both categories of consumers. But I still think the real reason they dropped firewire is because they believe the new graphics would have enabled people to use all the programs in Final Cut Studio on a MB.
 
NT1440 said:
Edit: for anyone that doesnt know, I'd actually prefer FW to be there, Ive just been posting why I see apple felt the need to remove it.
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You have been posting it because you are a complete fanboy that always defends Apple to the nth degree in these forums.

You've been posting at a rate of one post every three minutes, going against the grain on the FW issue and the display issue. You are clearly trying to stir the pot, as always. All one needs to do is have a cursory glance at your post history to figure that out. :rolleyes:
 
Goliath said:
The loss of firewire may upset a few college students doing audio/video editing courses and a few pros that prefer the smaller form factor/price of the new MacBook, but the MacBook has always been a consumer orientated device. And for much the same reasoning Apple abandoned firewire connectivity from iPods they are doing the same with the MacBook.

As much as you would like to believe these laptops are geared towards students doing video/audio editing, Apple is chasing a much more lucrative and larger demographic- late 20-early 30's, in well paid jobs, that have higher disposable incomes.

And these people aren't buying miniDV camcorders- they're buying Flip and hard drive/flash camcorders that almost exclusively use USB2.

Does it suck? Yes. But history has showed that the better format/interface doesn't always win. The majority of computer users couldn't tell you what lead connects their equipment to their computer. They will tell you, if asked, the one that came with it in the box.
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I agree. When I first got my MacBook almost two years ago, I never even thought about firewire. Not was it until I installed Leopard and purchased an external hard drive did I even use firewire. And that was only because I could save an extra USB port.
 
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