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Im not really sure why you intend on making my playing devils advocate into a personal tick, but so be it.

How'd you buy that external monitor fella (werent you the one saying you cant go pro because it costs to much? if not then ive responded to way too many people tonight and am getting jumbled up)

Edit: for anyone that doesnt know, I'd actually prefer FW to be there, Ive just been posting why I see apple felt the need to remove it.


Ummm...yeah. I don't see the point in trying to get through anymore as it's been spelled out to countless times by other users.

And my touchypod is out of juice.
 
You have been posting it because you are a complete fanboy that always defends Apple to the nth degree in these forums.

You've been posting at a rate of one post every three minutes, going against the grain on the FW issue and the display issue. You are clearly trying to stir the pot, as always. All one needs to do is have a cursory glance at your post history to figure that out. :rolleyes:

I wish there was a applaud icon.
 
The loss of firewire may upset a few college students doing audio/video editing courses and a few pros that prefer the smaller form factor/price of the new MacBook, but the MacBook has always been a consumer orientated device.
As much as you would like to believe these laptops are geared towards students doing video/audio editing, Apple is chasing a much more lucrative and larger demographic- late 20-early 30's, in well paid jobs, that have higher disposable incomes.

Someone here made the comment that the students of today are the pro's of tomorrow: turn them away at the gate and then when they are the pros's, and it is tomorrow, they won't be there for you. GM learned this the hard way with its cars: the majority of the baby boomer generation simply passed up their cars for three decades.

And just what the hell kind of consumer thats looking for a device like the Mac (good for photo/video editing) can afford a $999 anyway? The kind that is willing to shell out to get everything they need in their computer to do what they want to do. Given that now they need to shell out $1500 or more just for the measly firewire port, I can already see some customers just turning way. Mac was beginning to get popular with the masses, people were beginning to consider taking the plunge and buying a computer that costs $400 more than the PC's they used to look at for the sake of getting something good that would last and be usable. Now, Mac has took away the ability to use it outside (unless its a cloudy day or there are enough trees and umbrellas for everyone to sit under), and the ability to do a good video cut with it.

I work for Best Buy. We just began selling Mac's at my store four months ago. Today, we had the unveiling up on the screens in Home Theater. When everyone learned the new Mac's would all have glossy screens and the MacBooks would not have Firewire, of the ten people there two jumped up and down for glee at the new designs. Everyone else grimaced and said something of this nature: "how can Apple make such amateur design flaws?" At which point, the two fanboys screamed daggers at the rest of us for (this is just me summing up what they said) not sucking down everything Steve Jobs says with gusto.

Of the eight potential buyers who weren't enthused about the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros, seven bought right then and there. They did not want to get stuck with a shortage of new MBs and MBPs in the coming weeks, as its been the case the past few years that whenever Mac launches an update the pre-updated product becomes scarce (think iPhone or iPod Touch before the 3G launch).

All I can say is that Mac has plowed into territory unheard of. Making such mistakes. I mean, this isn't even a big deal at the design stage. Its not like they said "well if we want an aluminum case, we have to have a glass screen" or "if we want to offer the MacBook at $999, we have to throw out Firewire." Neither of those mean it has to be this way, you can have a matte screen with an aluminum case and every other feature they unveiled today. You can have Firewire and still launch the computer at $999. Hell, the hardware here isn't vastly more (if at all more) costly than the old hardware, and they definitely didn't incur vast design costs on anything other than the new touchpad.
 
You have been posting it because you are a complete fanboy that always defends Apple to the nth degree in these forums.

You've been posting at a rate of one post every three minutes, going against the grain on the FW issue and the display issue. You are clearly trying to stir the pot, as always. All one needs to do is have a cursory glance at your post history to figure that out. :rolleyes:

I totally agree , I think he should be reported to the highest authority , at once ......, if you know who to call , and your in the right area(or however it go's) and you can find him............... ... call mosx !!!! ;):D:)
 
No, a faster GPU will not influence that at all.
Perhaps not on OS9, however in the here and now, the os does quite a bit of graphics work using the GPU. In the next version of OS X, the GPU will be even more helpful.

So in short, the person you replied to is correct with regards to programs that can utilize the GPU, or any core image or quartz functions.( iPhoto being one of these)

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You have been posting it because you are a complete fanboy that always defends Apple to the nth degree in these forums.

You've been posting at a rate of one post every three minutes, going against the grain on the FW issue and the display issue. You are clearly trying to stir the pot, as always. All one needs to do is have a cursory glance at your post history to figure that out. :rolleyes:

No sir, what I have posting so frequently for is to respond to people like you. Not agreeing with the crowd of FW users makes me a fanboy? Im pointing out that its not the end of the F#$%n world as some make it out to be. What people for some reason cant figure out is that apple is a company, out to make money, not your buddy buddy who serves you. They are manipulative and controlling, and Ive pointed out that they are guiding FW users to the Pro line. But nooooooo, pointing things out in a calm manor makes me a fan boy, im srry for not taking things over the edge and declaring ill never buy from apple again like a whiny bitch. I wasnt aware thats how you had to behave here to not be labeled a fanboy.

But, you know, just skip over the parts of me critisizing apple for their crap with things such as the joke that is combo drive, as long as you can just go around declaring people fanboys without contributing to the conversation.
 
You know something, all my bitching really stems from the fact that my 2nd Gen iPod won't work on these, and I promised myself not to get a new one till this one dies, and I actually think it may be immortal :eek:
 
You know something, all my bitching really stems from the fact that my 2nd Gen iPod won't work on these, and I promised myself not to get a new one till this one dies, and I actually think it may be immortal :eek:

Your second gen is still working?!:eek:

I've actually been curious about this, ive never actually seen an ipod cable that uses firewire. Did apple sell those seperately or did they include two cables before they phased FW out?
 
As much as I can see why they dropped the FireWire, the whole event makes Apple look like a bunch of cheapskates. FireWire isn't that expensive. Neither can the aluminum case be. And especially them continuing selling the old white MacBook.

But of course it's not about making the greatest computers possible.
It's about making money.
Sure, it always is.
But I feel like Apple has slightly tilted their priorities towards the latter yesterday.
 
But, you know, just skip over the parts of me critisizing apple for their crap with things such as the joke that is combo drive, as long as you can just go around declaring people fanboys without contributing to the conversation.

Whoa, so you cheer the death of the combo drive, a topic that has been covered ad nauseum for probably a good year. Master of the obvious. I don't know if you are aware or have caught on, but this is MacRumors, not MacAppleStrategy. This isn't a strategic management forum. I've contributed plenty on plenty of threads here, and I and others have been around long enough to be able to spot a fanboy. You pulled the same "against the grain" nonsense during the iPhone 3G, and during the Macbook Air release, if memory serves me correctly.

And please, please do review my posts and tell me exactly where I proclaimed (in a bitchy/moany tone) that I would never buy an Apple product again. Or maybe you're just getting me confused with the other people who are tired of your incendiary posts. :confused:
 
What people for some reason cant figure out is that apple is a company, out to make money, not your buddy buddy who serves you.

If you're out to make money you don't, wisely anyway, alienate your hardcore base. And that has always been education and content creators. But, unfortunately, the iPod and the iPhone have allowed (maybe even caused) Apple to turn their back on that very base. Perhaps they don't need the base anymore and this will all be forgotten. But it might come at the cost of some very loyal customers. If the economy keeps going south (a good possibility) iPhone and iPod consumers may dry up. Time will tell.
 
Your second gen is still working?!:eek:

I've actually been curious about this, ive never actually seen an ipod cable that uses firewire. Did apple sell those seperately or did they include two cables before they phased FW out?

I was one of the lucky ones before apple started shafting iPod users also, it came with a case, the firewire cable and even a charger, cases and chargers will cost you extra these days, dirty swines :p
 
Im pointing out that its not the end of the F#$%n world as some make it out to be. What people for some reason cant figure out is that apple is a company, out to make money, not your buddy buddy who serves you. They are manipulative and controlling, and Ive pointed out that they are guiding FW users to the Pro line. But nooooooo, pointing things out in a calm manor makes me a fan boy, im srry for not taking things over the edge and declaring ill never buy from apple again like a whiny bitch. I wasnt aware thats how you had to behave here to not be labeled a fanboy.

And we're trying to tell you that that doesn't make much sense. This will cost them users. No one will buy a macbook BECAUSE it is missing a firewire port. Not a one. There will be plenty of people that will not buy a macbook because it is missing a firewire port. Among those people, they have to choose to spend an extra $700 or get a less expensive machine running windows. It doesn't take a genius to imagine what's going to happen.


Isaac
 
If you're out to make money, you don't, wisely anyway, alienate your hardcore base. And that has always been education and content creators. But, unfortunately, the iPod and the iPhone have allowed (maybe even caused) Apple to turn their back on that very base. Perhaps they don't need the base anymore and this will all be forgotten. But it might come at the cost of some very loyal customers. If the economy keeps going south (a good possibility) iPhone and iPod consumers may dry up. Time will tell.
I think apples base isnt exactly the diehards anymore. Theyll always rely on them to some degree, but admittadly they are now going for the consumer market who view macs as something different, and often base their decision on design. Do I like that they now target morons? Nope. Do I like to see the company doing well as a result of that so I can get a sexy new computer? sure do:p
 
And we're trying to tell you that that doesn't make much sense. This will cost them users. No one will buy a macbook BECAUSE it is missing a firewire port. Not a one. There will be plenty of people that will not buy a macbook because it is missing a firewire port. Among those people, they have to choose to spend an extra $700 or get a less expensive machine running windows. It doesn't take a genius to imagine what's going to happen.


Isaac
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Whos been saying that not having FW was a selling point? :confused:
 
Sorry if this has already been posted...

Has anyone noticed that the "entry level" 13" macbook does not have the backlit keyboard at $1299, but if you try to buy it online and you are on the specs page for upgrades, it states that it comes with a backlit keyboard and there is no additional price associated with it.

bt-dubs, I am just not sure if I am going to buy one of these things now! How un-inspired!
 
Without Firewire I wouldn't be able to get video from my camera into iLife to make my home movies. I thought that's what Apple was all about. :confused:
 
i would love for you and the Apple rep to be correct but i dont think its the case going by this page :(
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well the rep for someone else confirmed the page is wrong and will be fixed , and my rep said the exact same thing. And many more people have been confirming the 1,299 macbooks come with backlit keys by numerous reps so THEY BETTER!!! Grrrrrrrrr:mad:
 
Sorry if this has already been posted...

Has anyone noticed that the "entry level" 13" macbook does not have the backlit keyboard at $1299, but if you try to buy it online and you are on the specs page for upgrades, it states that it comes with a backlit keyboard and there is no additional price associated with it.

bt-dubs, I am just not sure if I am going to buy one of these things now! How un-inspired!

Apple or should I mention Steve Jobs sure likes to mess around with people.

Let Ive be the new leader of Apple. Sorry for the off-topic sentence. ;)
 
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Whos been saying that not having FW was a selling point? :confused:

You've been saying that it is Apple's strategy, we've been saying it's nuts. It's sounded like you've been rationalizing a position that's nuts, therefore you get yelled at.


Isaac
 
quick queston, idk if its already been asked. tomorrow morning, will i be able to walk into the apple store and get a new macbook?
 
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