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Here's what I really need to know. How much faster is the new MBP graphics card than the previous generation? You can buy the "old" MBP right now for under $1400 after rebate, which means for the price of the new Macbook with no firewire, I can have an MBP with all the goodies (full DVI, dual Firewire ports; a better looking design, etc.), but without the new glass trackpad and graphics card upgrades and a smaller default hard drive (200GB). I'm thinking this is a good deal compared to spending $2000 for the new one that makes you buy a $100 adapter just to connect it to a monitor...(ugh). The only question is if the new graphics card makes a really big difference. I don't want to wait too long or the old model will be gone.

Edit: Ok, doing some searching suggests the new GPU is only 10-15% faster than the previous 8600M GT. I think I'll be buying a previous generation MBP and save $500.
 
3g

Wasn't 3G supposed to be built into Montevina? So these Macbook Pros don't have 3G built in?

the mbp doesnt have 3g but you can use the express card/34
to insert a 3g card into it (I read it from somewhere yesterday that someone
makes them)
Good luck trying to find it, i had a look on apple, no luck...:(
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"...Has anyone on here ever heard of a Firewire HUB??? Geeze, sometimes people just seem to want to make things difficult or make them appear more difficult than they really are.
..."

Wow! Thanks ever so much for the information!!! I'm livin' under a rock here in Manhattan and have NEVER even considered such a new-fangled gizmo to solve my problems!!!

OK...Sarcasm OFF!!!

Look...unless you missed my earlier points about my specific issues and why an uninterrupted Firewire chain is important, one more time...with a high-end, $30,000 digital capture back like a Leaf Aptus or Phase One P45, any breaks in the data transfer chain can and regularly do cause problems. All I'm asking for is a dedicated Firewire 400 port!!! I've tried hubs, boosters and hanging dead chickens over my doorway on the first night of a Full Moon...All I need is that stinking dedicated 400 port!!! What is it with Apple apologists like you who wanna look at the 'bright side' all of the time and give Jobs a pass when the company makes a boneheaded move like this?!! It's OK to say they effed up from time to time...I've already gotten over the fact that this is 'progress' and I'm gonna hafta buy the damned thing, but I certainly don't hafta march lockstep to the Apple Corporate Music!

BT in NYC
 
Wow! Thanks ever so much for the information!!! I'm livin' under a rock here in Manhattan and have NEVER even considered such a new-fangled gizmo to solve my problems!!!

OK...Sarcasm OFF!!!

Look...unless you missed my earlier points about my specific issues and why an uninterrupted Firewire chain is important, one more time...with a high-end, $30,000 digital capture back life a Leaf Aptus or Phase One P45, any breaks in the data transfer chain can and regularly do cause problems. All I'm asking for is a dedicated Firewire 400 port!!! I've tried hubs, boosters and hanging dead chickens over my doorway on the first night of a Full Moon...All I need is that stinking dedicated 400 port!!! What is it with Apple apologists like you who wanna look at the 'bright side' all of the time and give Jobs a pass when the company makes a boneheaded move like this?!! It's OK to say they effed up from time to time...I've already gotten over the fact that this is 'progress' and I'm gonna hafta buy the damned thing, but I certainly don't hafta march lockstep to the Apple Corporate Music!

BT in NYC

Oh get off yer high horse. If you really had all that garbage yourself we would not be having this conversation. Just buck up and get the MBP with an express 34 firewire 400 card. Clearly you have the MONEY. Also you can get a 9 pin (FW800) cable to FW400 (6 or 4 pin) for about $50.

You have nothing to complain about ... adapt.
 
mbp

Wow! Thanks ever so much for the information!!! I'm livin' under a rock here in Manhattan and have NEVER even considered such a new-fangled gizmo to solve my problems!!!

OK...Sarcasm OFF!!!

Look...unless you missed my earlier points about my specific issues and why an uninterrupted Firewire chain is important, one more time...with a high-end, $30,000 digital capture back like a Leaf Aptus or Phase One P45, any breaks in the data transfer chain can and regularly do cause problems. All I'm asking for is a dedicated Firewire 400 port!!! I've tried hubs, boosters and hanging dead chickens over my doorway on the first night of a Full Moon...All I need is that stinking dedicated 400 port!!! What is it with Apple apologists like you who wanna look at the 'bright side' all of the time and give Jobs a pass when the company makes a boneheaded move like this?!! It's OK to say they effed up from time to time...I've already gotten over the fact that this is 'progress' and I'm gonna hafta buy the damned thing, but I certainly don't hafta march lockstep to the Apple Corporate Music!

BT in NYC

This might sound a bit stupid
but if you dont like what the new mbp has to offer,
DONT BUY IT!!! just wait until apple have found out what
the public want, and in the mean time stick with your current
mbp or mb.
cheers
 
Wow! Thanks ever so much for the information!!! I'm livin' under a rock here in Manhattan and have NEVER even considered such a new-fangled gizmo to solve my problems!!!

OK...Sarcasm OFF!!!

Look...unless you missed my earlier points about my specific issues and why an uninterrupted Firewire chain is important, one more time...with a high-end, $30,000 digital capture back like a Leaf Aptus or Phase One P45, any breaks in the data transfer chain can and regularly do cause problems. All I'm asking for is a dedicated Firewire 400 port!!! I've tried hubs, boosters and hanging dead chickens over my doorway on the first night of a Full Moon...All I need is that stinking dedicated 400 port!!! What is it with Apple apologists like you who wanna look at the 'bright side' all of the time and give Jobs a pass when the company makes a boneheaded move like this?!! It's OK to say they effed up from time to time...I've already gotten over the fact that this is 'progress' and I'm gonna hafta buy the damned thing, but I certainly don't hafta march lockstep to the Apple Corporate Music!

BT in NYC

If you have read any of my messages in the past, you'd know I'm anything BUT an Apple apologist. The fact of the matter is the previous MBP didn't have a dedicated Firewire 400 port either. It was ONE 800 line internally with an adapter to downgrade the 2nd port to 400. So I'm sorry, but for all your crying and screaming, what you are saying doesn't hold water.

You could always get a Mac Pro, you know. I mean if you're using 30 grand in editing equipment, a $2300 computer purchase shouldn't be that big of a deal for you. And of course, it goes without saying if you now hate Apple then maybe it's time to shop elsewhere. You can either build a Hackintosh (I have no issues with doing so; I think Apple shouldn't be allowed to monopolize the hardware market for their OS) or you can look at the Windows platform. Screaming about Apple's latest laptop will not make the problem go away. OR you can do what I'm going to do which is buy the previous generation MBP for $1440 off Amazon (after rebate) while I can still save over $500 compared to the new one.
 
A whole pile of recording interfaces that people already own, and the vast majority of audio-interfaces that are currently worthwhile buying for the forseeable future. There's an increasing amount of music being produced on laptops, and Apple themselves have been pushing this through both their consumer and pro implementations of Logic.

So you can't name even one, I see.

USB audio interfaces are still way behind FW in terms of reliability, and variety.

Errr, no, not really. It's an old story and it's long expired. It was true in the past but even when I was toying with LP6 and L7 back then USB devices were on-pair with my FW stuff on my dual G5.
More mojo is available for FW? OF COURSE, I never said otherwise - but they will work with your MBP just fine, that's what Apple is trying to do, to push you toward MBP if you want FW.

Look, it's not a bad idea from Apple's sales POV: most consumers doesn't give a crap about having FW, any little extra HDD or other stuff comes in USB flavor, only advanced audio interfaces and some imaging devices that might require FW - and those are exactly the type of devices that are only used by "prosumers" and "professionals" (hence MB Pro) so they will have to cough up a bit more.

I only see one potential HUGE problem: what do you do now if you want to import your footage from your DV cam?
 
And I was hoping for a problem free experience by moving to MacOSX for my laptop needs...
Finder is crap anyway even when it does work.

Vista is not that bad, as long as you give it enough computer to chew on...
It's not that Vista is good or bad, it's that that was the surprising solution from the Apple store to make me less annoyed with my useless Mac.

in my experience, problems are very hardware related.
What about when drivers are not written corrrectly for the hardware, then it's not a hardware fault as such.
Besides I said that it may well be a hardware issue.
 
If you have read any of my messages in the past, you'd know I'm anything BUT an Apple apologist. The fact of the matter is the previous MBP didn't have a dedicated Firewire 400 port either. It was ONE 800 line internally with an adapter to downgrade the 2nd port to 400. So I'm sorry, but for all your crying and screaming, what you are saying doesn't hold water.
Just because that particular system worked fine, it doesn't also mean a different system will then also work fine.
But as Macs are often used for tethered digital shooting, Apple would be particularly stupid to get this wrong,unless they want to lose a big part of their market.

You could always get a Mac Pro, you know. I mean if you're using 30 grand in editing equipment, ...
He's not using editing equipment, he's using a digital camera back. So obviously if you'd read his posts you'd have realised that. :p
 
He's not using editing equipment, he's using a digital camera back. So obviously if you'd read his posts you'd have realised that. :p

Understood that.... and the New MBP's don't stop him from using that equipment. He will just have to Adapt. FW800 port on the MBP will work fine. if not buck up for an express 34 card... whats the issue other than he wants a physical port... jezz just a simple cable choice.
 
The only negative I have is that the new keyboard build is incredibly susceptible to water damage. I cleaned off 2 of the new Aluminum keyboards and killed them both by using damp a damp cloth. VERY LITTLE WATER on the second keyboard. I dumped a beer on my current MBP a week after I got it and its still going strong.
 
"Legacy devices"..."a dying standard"...?!! Well, thanks professor for that well thought out, though completely wrong opinion!

Firewire 400 is hardly a a dying standard...the photo and video industry is locked into Firewire 400 for the foreseeable future, as evidenced by the number of extremely high-end video systems and in my case, digital backs, all of which use Firewire 400 as their tethered interface. If a guy like me drops 30 grand on a digital back, I have every right to assume it's gonna be supported by Apple, a company that courts professional photographers HARD, longer than it take to come out with their next best laptop! I should expect to get a Goddamned lot of years use out of a piece of equipment that spendy and for Apple to turn it's back on Firewire 400 is ludicrous!

And one more thing...what about the file cabinets FULL of Firewire 400 drives that I have storing (at last count) roughly 60 TERABYTES of RAW files?!! Is my only recourse to be that I must transfer all of this data onto newer Firewire 800 drives just because Apple has decided Firewire 400 ain't part of the cool club any more?

I have hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up in digital equipment, so you'll have to cut me some slack when I get pissed off after I hear boneheaded comments from the likes of "i, Podius" that tell me to "get over it" and move on! I'm ever so happy you prefer USB to Firewire...that basically tells me all I need to know about exactly how much brain power you're pushing!

BT in NYC

That's some lovely ad hominem there - you yell at your mother with that mouth? Thank you, by the way, for your interest in my career in academia, though I must admit sadly that I am not quite at the level of professor yet - in fact, my current postgraduate study has me reconsidering whether I want to pursue a career as a professor (which is my current career path) at all anymore. I'll be sure to keep you posted.

I would say that a standard that was superseded 5 years ago is pretty dead. If Apple had dropped the FireWire 800 port as well, then they'd have something to answer for, however, they have not. And as for Apple "turning its back on FireWire 400" - FW800 is COMPLETELY BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE. Please excuse the emphasis, but you seemed to have missed that point the last time I made it.

As to the claim that high-end digital backs still use the FW400 standard, the current Hasselblad, Sinar and Leaf (check the "features" section) digital backs all require FW800 - which means they aren't even compatible with the older FW400 ports.

As for my preference for USB over FireWire, if it tells you anything beyond the fact that I prefer devices that are compatible not only with my computer, but with those of others as well, and particularly the non-mac machines that I often have to interact with, then you're hearing voices from somewhere else. I wonder if this is perhaps also the case with your interactions with other people in "the likes of" me.

My point was more focused on the fact that Apple seems to be discontinuing all support for the Firewire 400 standard. Only having one Firewire port on their "PRO" laptop is simply not enough for a 'real' professional user. I know that I can use a cable to step-down from 800 to 400 for things like drives, but when it comes to something much nearer and dearer to my wallet...my Digital Back...it gets way more complicated! Interrupted Firewire chains are death to high-data transfer flows. Just tossing a cable in the middle of a chain where I'm spitting out 65mb RAW files might sound groovy on paper, but in practice it has lotsa problems. The Firewire bus powers my digital back and any fluctuation in the power stream causes lost images and shutdowns of the back. On most DESKTOP Macs I can't even shoot tethered is I plug into the front Firewire ports because of a power stability issue (that unless you use one of these sensitive digital backs, you probably have never even heard of!). I've already talked to my Leaf rep who has told me that in theory stepping down from the 800 port to a 400 female cable should work, but I will likely have to use a Firewire power booster as well. He also told me that using the ExpressCard/34 slot option as an additional Firewire 400 port won't work because there is definitely not enough power running through the slot to power by back and the same is probably true for the Ethernet port. That leaves me the 800 port as my only possible connection point...and the only way to find out is to drop about $3500 and give it a go...!!!

BT in NYC

As to your concerns about power fluctuations, FW800 provides the same 24-25 Volts as FW400 does. Furthermore, if, as you assert, you are "a 'real' professional user", I would think it safe to assume that you have a pro-level mac manufactured after 2003 - which is when Apple started including FW800 ports on its pro level machines. Thus, rather than having to "drop $3500" just to find out, you could just try using the port on your current machine. As for having to toss "a cable in the middle of a chain where I'm spitting out 65mb RAW files" - you would not have to add an extra cable to your chain at all - rather, you would replace your current FW400 to FW400 cable with a FW400 to FW800 cable, like this. To be fair, $9.99 does seem pretty steep.
 
As to your concerns about power fluctuations, FW800 provides the same 24-25 Volts as FW400 does. Furthermore, if, as you assert, you are "a 'real' professional user", I would think it safe to assume that you have a pro-level mac manufactured after 2003 - which is when Apple started including FW800 ports on its pro level machines. Thus, rather than having to "drop $3500" just to find out, you could just try using the port on your current machine. As for having to toss "a cable in the middle of a chain where I'm spitting out 65mb RAW files" - you would not have to add an extra cable to your chain at all - rather, you would replace your current FW400 to FW400 cable with a FW400 to FW800 cable, like this. To be fair, $9.99 does seem pretty steep.

Thats what I was saying .... he has no real argument other than being stubborn.
 
My point was more focused on the fact that Apple seems to be discontinuing all support for the Firewire 400 standard. Only having one Firewire port on their "PRO" laptop is simply not enough for a 'real' professional user. I know that I can use a cable to step-down from 800 to 400 for things like drives, but when it comes to something much nearer and dearer to my wallet...my Digital Back...it gets way more complicated! Interrupted Firewire chains are death to high-data transfer flows. Just tossing a cable in the middle of a chain where I'm spitting out 65mb RAW files might sound groovy on paper, but in practice it has lotsa problems. The Firewire bus powers my digital back and any fluctuation in the power stream causes lost images and shutdowns of the back. On most DESKTOP Macs I can't even shoot tethered is I plug into the front Firewire ports because of a power stability issue (that unless you use one of these sensitive digital backs, you probably have never even heard of!). I've already talked to my Leaf rep who has told me that in theory stepping down from the 800 port to a 400 female cable should work, but I will likely have to use a Firewire power booster as well. He also told me that using the ExpressCard/34 slot option as an additional Firewire 400 port won't work because there is definitely not enough power running through the slot to power by back and the same is probably true for the Ethernet port. That leaves me the 800 port as my only possible connection point...and the only way to find out is to drop about $3500 and give it a go...!!!

BT in NYC

Ahh, fair enough. I do know what a digital back is but am not a photographer so I wasn't aware that your signal chain was that finicky. I'm less bothered by the 800 port than I am by the inclusion of only one FW port on the Pro. Hopefully Apple will get the message.
 
Just because that particular system worked fine, it doesn't also mean a different system will then also work fine.
But as Macs are often used for tethered digital shooting, Apple would be particularly stupid to get this wrong,unless they want to lose a big part of their market.

He's not using editing equipment, he's using a digital camera back. So obviously if you'd read his posts you'd have realised that. :p

I didn't read that closely about what he was using it for, but if he's referring to a digital camera system (I take it this means stills, not even video?), well, it's all the more ridiculous sounding that a single port plus hub solution wouldn't work. Hiccups aren't going to be a huge deal on something that isn't real time. But IF they are, you someone mentioned, he could get an express card for a truly dedicated 400 port. OR like I said, he could get the previous generation MBP while it's over $500 off with rebates compared to the new one. And if he can't afford one now, maybe he shouldn't have blown 30 grand on a camera without figuring the laptop into his budget. And if he already has a laptop he's using, what's he REALLY complaining about? A laptop that will probably get refreshed again before he even contemplates putting the money out?

I'm more upset about the regular Macbook dropping the firewire port and the lack of matte screen options, although even there you can get a matte filter overlay, so I think some people are blowing things out of proportion. Heck, why pay up to $1500 for the new Macbook when you can get the previous generation MBP with two firewire ports a GPU that's STILL better than the integrated one the new MB comes with for $1440 after rebate?
 
Wow! Thanks ever so much for the information!!! I'm livin' under a rock here in Manhattan and have NEVER even considered such a new-fangled gizmo to solve my problems!!!

OK...Sarcasm OFF!!!

Look...unless you missed my earlier points about my specific issues and why an uninterrupted Firewire chain is important, one more time...with a high-end, $30,000 digital capture back like a Leaf Aptus or Phase One P45, any breaks in the data transfer chain can and regularly do cause problems. All I'm asking for is a dedicated Firewire 400 port!!! I've tried hubs, boosters and hanging dead chickens over my doorway on the first night of a Full Moon...All I need is that stinking dedicated 400 port!!! What is it with Apple apologists like you who wanna look at the 'bright side' all of the time and give Jobs a pass when the company makes a boneheaded move like this?!! It's OK to say they effed up from time to time...I've already gotten over the fact that this is 'progress' and I'm gonna hafta buy the damned thing, but I certainly don't hafta march lockstep to the Apple Corporate Music!

BT in NYC

I have posted on this lack of FW port many times since the announcement and I like many others am very disappointed in Apple's decision to leave a FW port off the MacBook

Apple says the MacBook is its most popular model, and yet leaves FW off the MacBook. I will say it one more time, this does NOT mean that FW is becoming less the standard in the audio video world, in fact it is the de facto standard in that world.

What this means is that Apple very clearly feels that Apple does not want us the Mac user choosing a 13.3" MacBook as their Mac to do audio video.

Notice the MacBook Pro does have a FW 800 port (and stop with with the lack of the 400 port, FW 800 does FW 400, and you do not need 2 FW ports, transfer your data to the internal be and be done with it, you shouldn't be capturing to FW drive in the first place)

So Apple is very clearly taking the FW off the MacBook and using it as leverage to make audio video users pay the extra $700 plus dollars to buy a MacBook Pro. (Notice I do not say pro audio video users, since I know very well many consumer and prosumers have many investments in FW, DV, etc devices).

In Apple's mind the FW port being only on the MPB is what differentiates the MB and MBP and perhaps the everyday user and the pro user, notice I say in Apple's mind (not our minds).

Now I think, as probably most do, that this is rather lame and completely crazy thinking on Apple's part, but this is Apple being a type of bully and forcing people to the more expensive MBP.

Apple make tons of money on Macs and that they would even think that they need to do something like this in order to make the up sell to the MBP is a head scratcher, but this is Apple and over the last few years, it's apparent that it is all about the money.

This is entirely about Apple getting more money period on the MBP and "forcing" people (who need FW) to make that MBP purchase.

We would like to think Apple is this "democratic" company that gives us what we want, but that is surely not the case here.

For the audio video user pro or consumer who is invested in and dependent on FW devices, Apple is saying very clearly, "There will be no small footprint 13.3" MacBook 'Pro' for you, period"

Because lets face it, with the FW port on the MB, one only wanting the 13.3" size what is the difference (backlit keyboard and more powerful graphics aside). Nothing really. So in Apple's mind, they just lost $700 on a MBP sale.

Of course, Apple may not be considering the $1300 to $1600 MacBook sale they are going to totally lose, because that customer is not going to buy the $2000 MBP.

But this customer completely going to a Wintel laptop (let's not go overboard here). There is no FCP, Logic, DP6, etc. on Windows for a reason, they are Mac OS X only, and then one would have to deal with XP or Vista world, yikes).

And do no forget Snow Leopard's power of Open CL, using this nVidia power for audio and video DSP and encoding, this will be huge, since these chips can do trillions of calcs / sec versus billions / sec, Windows does not have this.

Will this affect me, no, although I am probably in a minority in terms of purchase. I will just get my work to now buy me a 15" MBP, and since I am the guy who makes tech recommendations, I will just tell people to buy the 15" MBP now if they must have FW.

If it were me making the purchase with my own money however, I would be ticked that I am now forced to spend the extra 700 bucks on the MBP.

Does the Wintel world even make a 13.3" notebook with FW 400 or 800 built in, perhaps FW 400 4 pin for video, but I don't ever recall seeing a full 6 pin 400, much less 9 pin 800.


Oh yeah, and who is believing SJ's spin on the "USB devices, disk based devices becoming more common...etc." what a crock, then why is a FW port on the 15" MBP, because if Apple left it off the MBP, Apple would lose a ton of sales, period.

Apple does respond however to money, ie, sales or lack thereof, and if it looks like after a few months that because of the lack of the FW port on the MB is costing them sales, perhaps they will add it back in the next rev.

Vote with your wallet, but if many of these customers are now buying the more expensive MBP, they did just vote with their wallet, more money for Apple.
 
Do these anti-glare filters actually work as advertised? Or do they just ruin the display's clarity without much benefit?

I've never used one, to be honest, it's an assumption on my part. There are screens for the iPhone, by all accounts, so it's not too much of a stretch to say that someone will produce a MacBook one.
 
if i want a SSD (something i am glad apple made optional) should i get the standard hard drive and get third party for the SSD or is the price not that much different
 
Wow...so much to say, so little time! Let's get to it, OK?!!


slackpacker offered: "...Oh get off yer high horse. If you really had all that garbage yourself we would not be having this conversation. Just buck up and get the MBP with an express 34 firewire 400 card. Clearly you have the MONEY..."

High Horse? Really?!! OK genius...as I've said about a hundred times, the express 34 firewire 400 card doesn't put out the power needed to fire up my bus-powered digital back...sorry, but that's all there is to that! But what's the crap about me having the money got to do with it? Jealous?!!

Freddie220 Chimed in with: "...if you dont like what the new mbp has to offer, DONT BUY IT!!!"

Brilliant solution...never move forward! Don't you read? I said I know perfectly well this is the 'wave of the future', but unlike a Mac robot who NEVER sees anything wrong with ANY new releases, from time to time I can question things. Apple's position to not support third-party products shows up with decisions like dumping a dedicated Firewire port! Their corporate outlook is, "if we don't make it, we don't hafta worry if it works on our product!", but there are a lot of current products that require dedicated ports! I cannot EVER use a hub device with my digital back...the capture software just doesn't allow it, just as I can't shoot to an external hard drive...the companies that make these drives have obviously found that the most stable way for them to move all that data safely is in a straight line! I don't make the rules...I just hafta play the game! And while I can use step-down cables, like an 800-400 cable, it is NEVER as stable as being connected via a dedicated port. This has more to do with the stability of the power used to keep the back working than the data transfer. So saying something asinine like "if you dont like it, don't buy it!" is a cheap way of saying you don't give a **** about other users problems because they don't affect you!

i, Podius, who likes talking about stuff he knows nothing about, spit out: "...the current Hasselblad, Sinar and Leaf (check the "features" section) digital backs all require FW800..."

Correctamundo!!! But does that mean that my 6 month-old Leaf Aptus 75, which uses Firewire 400, is now useless and not worth supporting in the new world of Apple laptops? I will guarantee you that Apple didn't take out a single Hasselblad, Sinar or Leaf digital back that uses a Firewire 400 connection and field test it to see how stable it is with an 800 to 400 step-down cable. And just for your information, Hasselblad, Sinar and Leaf all have backs that STILL use Firewire 400 in their lineup.

And finally, MagnusVonMagnum said: "...the previous MBP didn't have a dedicated Firewire 400 port either...", and, "...he could get an express card for a truly dedicated 400 port. OR like I said, he could get the previous generation MBP while it's over $500 off with rebates compared to the new one. And if he can't afford one now, maybe he shouldn't have blown 30 grand on a camera without figuring the laptop into his budget. And if he already has a laptop he's using, what's he REALLY complaining about?"

Well, I don't know which 'previous MBP' you're talking about, but my 2008 Edition (Core 2 Duo 2.5GHz) has both a 400 and an 800 port...not a cable, but an actual, honest-to-God hole in the side of the machine! As for me 'screaming'...oh please! Just because I'm less than thrilled with a couple of things about this laptop doesn't make me an anarchist. I'm not the only guy in this (ridiculously long) thread who has expressed the same concerns about the lack of a 400 port. One of my assistants who regularly works in film editing has been moaning about it all morning. Look back in this thread...you'll see lotsa guys who have voiced the same opinion. I can remember just about every review I read about the 'old' MBP when they came out and probably 99% of them had a line like, "...video editors will be happy to have not one but two FireWire ports....". That says a lot about what 'real world' users want and NEED out of their computer! As for getting an express card (already answered), buying a previous generation MBP (got one...we always go out with at least two computers and since we need another one, were looking forward to 'moving forward'), and whether or not I can 'afford' to buy a laptop after an outlay of 30k for a digital back...well, just check out my website...don't worry about me...my balance sheet is just fine and I've had two of those backs in rotation for about 5 years so I'm in pretty good shape!


One last thing...there's nothing wrong with having a dissenting opinion...it's how things get changed! I see the fervor that some of you guys have for Apple and that's lovely, but not agreeing with Jobs from time to time ain't gonna hurt either...

BT in NYC
 
Oh, the despair of it all

:eek: OK, so for once in my life I managed to curtail my impulse to buy my new MacBook Pro when I needed it (about 8 months ago) on the strong rumours that new models were about to be released.
Finally, yesterday, they were.
The only thing is, as a sound and video producer we are using 17" MacBook Pros out of necessity for Pro specs and screen size for editing on the go (Final Cut Pro, Pro-Tools etc)
I am just so bitterly disappointed that the new "Pro" range only deems fit to offer a 15" screen. "Prto" Steve! "Pro"!
I hope you get enough disgruntled "pro" customers airing their opinion to port the upgrades (nice as they are for the new models) to the 17" version,like, yesterday!
Go on! You know it makes sense. :D
 
Display Port on New Macbook Pro

Display Port on NEW Macbook Pro

I would just like to point out one thing which seems to be symptomatic of the way new products are pumped out at Apple: Accessories...accessories...accessories

  • You want to connect your new Macbook Pro to a DVI display? Buy a €30 accessory!
  • You want to connect your new Macbook Pro to a VGA device like a projector? Buy a €30 accessory!

I've got a Penryn Macbook Pro which when I bought it, I knew fully well that Apple would be releasing either a next generation MBP or some other slight update to their line. But nonetheless I bought it because it was the right time for me.

It came with a DVI port and a DVI to VGA adapter....for free! Yay for not having to carry around loads of accessories or spend more money :)
 
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