Apple Announces Over Two Million iPhone 5 Pre-Orders in First Day of Sales

[Geckotek]

You are absolutely right. I didn't go out and say that the chip was innovative. That is something you said, I I agreed to, with some added commentary. Apologies. I thought you omitted something from my post, but you did not. Here is that quote.

See, I thought we had settled that. I think you went back and re-quoted/responded a second time.

 

[turtlez]

Why? To prove a point. Nobody answered because Jobs didnt invent anything, and clearly didnt innovate much.

As for your Bill Gates remark.... we're on the topic of apple and steve jobs, not bill gates. Are you so devoted to apple that it makes it easier if you divert attention?

Why are you on an Apple forum if you hate the company so much?

 

[wikus]

Why are you on an Apple forum if you hate the company so much?

What difference does it make?

 

[Tech198]

More than any other phone i bet.


And. Also bet, Apple will metion "how much we've sold" at the next iphone event (whenever that will be)?.

 

[jlc1978]

So, I'm guessing you're pessimistic about the economy because Obama is soon to be either re-elected or replaced?

Actually, I am a bit optimistic based on other indicators.

OTOH, I am curious how many of the 2 million initial sales represent upgrades? I have whenever my contract expires, high upgrade rates would indicate Apple may have accomplished the holy grail of cell phone sales - lock users into their brand whenever an upgrade occurs; unlike others who would have a hot phone but not be able to follow it up with a hit and so have some other company's phone be hot when upgrade time came. I suspect the app store / iTunes has as much to do with this as the actual phone. By moving from being a phone that can play music and some games to an integrated information / entertainment device that can make phone calls they have achieved a degree of lock in other manufacturers can only envy.

 

[Marky]

What a bizarre world we now live in .. you think I am belittling people by stating the fact that the UK iPhone is incompatible with 4G for 50% of users .. and we should blindly over look that fact cos folks are happy with the purchase of an item they havent even received yet ... but dont worry I know I am in the minority. In here at least. Luckily not everyone is as narrowminded and will jump when Apple click their fingers .. ironically I am no Apple hater or Android thusiast .. I have a iMac .. Macbook ... iPad .. two iPhones a Nano and two shuffles .. I suppose I m just a bit old fashioned in that I buy things that are worth upgrading if I think Ill use the feature/s. And I can separate myself from peer hysteria and media hype and 'sales figures' .. I was going to buy a new Seat Ibiza when I saw the brochure come through the door .. new restyled front .. new engine .. new price ... but oddly .. I didnt upgrade .. no need .. despite their increasing sales ...

What I am saying is .. itd be blissful ignorance (certainly in the UK) to jump on the BuyAnythingThatsNewBandwagon - cough up the £400 to get a 'new' model that is thinner, flatter, longer and lighter .... and a bit quicker .. tell you what . I'll save the cash and get up earlier in the morning to allow for my iPhone 4's 'sluggish' behaviour ... and spend the money on something else .. or hey .. I could save it .. and NOT spend it on whatever Apple reckon everyone else IS buying ...

Trouble is Im in a double minority here .. UK .. and ... on O2 .. what were the chances of finding anyone else in similar setup ... hello?! Hello?

In fairness to BrucEbonus he has some valid points about the LTE spectrum here in the UK.

However of the 5 major brands of carrier in the UK, two of them will have LTE in a few weeks time, Orange and T Mobile (Tho to confuse things they are coming together under one brand for this and are called Everything Everywhere EE).

3 is another major brand and they are in the process of buying spare 1800MHz LTE iPhone 5 compatible spectrum from EE, but timescale for active deployment is most likely this time next year.

There are then two major brands left, Vodaphone and O2 who will not have LTE anytime soon (the auction of the LTE spectrum isn't until next year sometime and then they need to set it all up) iPhone 5 will not be compatible with this spectrum that is up for auction though I'm sure by the time it is available the next iPhone will be, the 5 doesn't need to be as it isn't available in the UK yet anyway.

However there are a couple of little wrinkles that some have picked up on but not the mainstream media as they don't get it if it can't be used in a headline.

O2 does already own a chunk of the relevant 1800Mhz spectrum that is compatible with the iPhone 5, however OFCOM, the industry regulator won't allow O2 to use it for LTE services at this time because it is along with O2's other spectrum being used for 3G services and allowing O2 right now to re-farm their 1800Mhz spectrum from 3G to LTE would see a reduction in service coverage for existing 3G customers.

By Orange and Tmobile coming together they have enough spare 1800Mhz spectrum to use it for LTE without taking away from their 3G coverage hence they've been permitted by OFCOM to go ahead with their LTE now, provided they sold some of it to the 3 network to allow a modicum of competition.

Whether O2 will be allowed to use it in the future is up to OFCOM and we don't know how much of a chunk of this spectrum O2 own, it could only be enough to cover one city or indeed it could be enough to do the whole UK.

The second little wrinkle is that O2 have/are rolling out DC/HCDPA (and I know I have just got those letters completly wrong but I can't for the life of me remember the correct lettering ;-) )

O2 claim a a max speed of 42mbps on this compared to LTE's 100Mbps, the iPhone 5 is compatible with this 'semi super fast' service and as it's classed as being 'faster 3G' it isn't being sold or claimed as something extra that you need to pay extra for on O2 unlike EE who will understandably be charging a premium for their LTE service.

Why is this relevant? Well EE claim their LTE will see speeds between 8Mbps and max out at 12Mbps, no where near what people think of as LTE (this may improve overtime but that's what they state on their website at the moment in the small print at the bottome of their site)

Now on my iPhone 4 with O2 I already get on average 5mbps and the iPhone 4 unlike the iPhone 5 isn't capable of running on the semi super fast service that O2 are claiming to be installing.

Now I'm damm sure that O2 will not be seeing speeds of 42mbps, that's the max and basically marketing b/s but if EE are accurate in their 8-12mbps claims for their LTE service, then for those of us still on O2 things may not be so much slower after all.

No I don't work for O2 and yes their customer service can sometimes be utter cr*p!

 

[KnightWRX]

also - nice try on calling my purchases "trinkets". fail tho; I'm a developer and have been for 15 years. my tools are an investment in my craft.

I did not call your purchases trinkets. My Macbooks are not trinkets either. I said the Apple store doesn't check your gadget list before selling *their* trinkets.

That's a strawman argument you've just made ?

And FYI, a lot of people in the past have suggested to me that this site is for "pro-Apple" "enthusiasts" only. That we shouldn't expect disagreement with Apple on this forum. I think they were mistaking this place for Apple Insider personally.

 

[Zunjine]

In fairness to BrucEbonus he has some valid points about the LTE spectrum here in the UK.

However of the 5 major brands of carrier in the UK, two of them will have LTE in a few weeks time, Orange and T Mobile (Tho to confuse things they are coming together under one brand for this and are called Everything Everywhere EE).

3 is another major brand and they are in the process of buying spare 1800MHz LTE iPhone 5 compatible spectrum from EE, but timescale for active deployment is most likely this time next year.

There are then two major brands left, Vodaphone and O2 who will not have LTE anytime soon (the auction of the LTE spectrum isn't until next year sometime and then they need to set it all up) iPhone 5 will not be compatible with this spectrum that is up for auction though I'm sure by the time it is available the next iPhone will be, the 5 doesn't need to be as it isn't available in the UK yet anyway.

However there are a couple of little wrinkles that some have picked up on but not the mainstream media as they don't get it if it can't be used in a headline.

O2 does already own a chunk of the relevant 1800Mhz spectrum that is compatible with the iPhone 5, however OFCOM, the industry regulator won't allow O2 to use it for LTE services at this time because it is along with O2's other spectrum being used for 3G services and allowing O2 right now to re-farm their 1800Mhz spectrum from 3G to LTE would see a reduction in service coverage for existing 3G customers.

By Orange and Tmobile coming together they have enough spare 1800Mhz spectrum to use it for LTE without taking away from their 3G coverage hence they've been permitted by OFCOM to go ahead with their LTE now, provided they sold some of it to the 3 network to allow a modicum of competition.

Whether O2 will be allowed to use it in the future is up to OFCOM and we don't know how much of a chunk of this spectrum O2 own, it could only be enough to cover one city or indeed it could be enough to do the whole UK.

The second little wrinkle is that O2 have/are rolling out DC/HCDPA (and I know I have just got those letters completly wrong but I can't for the life of me remember the correct lettering ;-) )

O2 claim a a max speed of 42mbps on this compared to LTE's 100Mbps, the iPhone 5 is compatible with this 'semi super fast' service and as it's classed as being 'faster 3G' it isn't being sold or claimed as something extra that you need to pay extra for on O2 unlike EE who will understandably be charging a premium for their LTE service.

Why is this relevant? Well EE claim their LTE will see speeds between 8Mbps and max out at 12Mbps, no where near what people think of as LTE (this may improve overtime but that's what they state on their website at the moment in the small print at the bottome of their site)

Now on my iPhone 4 with O2 I already get on average 5mbps and the iPhone 4 unlike the iPhone 5 isn't capable of running on the semi super fast service that O2 are claiming to be installing.

Now I'm damm sure that O2 will not be seeing speeds of 42mbps, that's the max and basically marketing b/s but if EE are accurate in their 8-12mbps claims for their LTE service, then for those of us still on O2 things may not be so much slower after all.

No I don't work for O2 and yes their customer service can sometimes be utter cr*p!

Kudos on the informative post. The devil is always in the details.

It really doesn't make sense for people to criticise the iPhone 5 for not being compatible with a spectrum of LTE that isn't going to be available until the second half of 2013, especially when it is compatible with other high bandwidth networks like DC HSDPA. For my money, anything in the range of 10-12 Mbps on a mobile device would be more than enough. I don't intend to use it to download HD video content or transfer large files. What I need is a network capable of delivering things like maps, emails, richly formatted webpages etc., quickly and reliably.

 

[samsandy]

No NZ pre order yet Can't wait to see this product in person good job as usual Apple, you truly are an amazing company

 

[Menopause]

i know this is sarcasm.

But I do not think you know what innovative means

making something faster, doesn't necessarily mean innovative

(please don't take this as me taking anything away from the iphone5, it's a good phone, in line with the top end phones from everyone else. But Innovative? is it bringing something truly new to the table? Some feature? item? design queue or element unseen or unrecognized?. No,it is not)

Great phone. Great product. But the term Innovative is getting smacked around like a wet towel in a locker room.

You haven't even seen the manufacturing process, how can you come to a conclusion so easily that there is no innovation involved? You define 'innovation' as 'features for the end user', which is outright wrong.

Example: the LTE and CDMA chips are combined into one - isn't that 'innovation'? No body else has done that before.

I'd definitely agree with you if you say there aren't many new features. But to have been able to achieve a thinner, volumetrically smaller, lighter iPhone with a larger screen, LTE, more power hogging CPU and yet with a better battery life is massive innovation on its own to me.

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In all listed capacities, I fail to see the innovation.

Look, its a good product, but call it what it is. The iPhone 4G. Faster everything. Stop saying its more innovative than anything else. Its not. There's faster phones on the market, and that was demonstrated on Geekbench (Jellybean SIII smokes the rumored A6 in the test). Its a nice phone, it'll sell like hot cakes. The complaint is Apple's gone conservative, stale, boring, etc.

I got an iPhone 5. Its better than my old iPhone. But I don't see the projected differences sans LTE. And SIII has 2x Ram iPhone 5 anyway.

LOL you are like "it's crap! It's boring! Rant rant rant! Whine whine whine! But I got myself one anyway." Please quit being juvenile and read what I wrote above.

 

[Zunjine]

You haven't even seen the manufacturing process, how can you come to a conclusion so easily that there is no innovation involved? You define 'innovation' as 'features for the end user', which is outright wrong.

Example: the LTE and CDMA chips are combined into one - isn't that 'innovation'? No body else has done that before.

I'd definitely agree with you if you say there aren't many new features. But to have been able to achieve a thinner, volumetrically smaller, lighter iPhone with a larger screen, LTE, more power hogging CPU and yet with a better battery life is massive innovation on its own to me.

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LOL you are like "it's crap! It's boring! Rant rant rant! Whine whine whine! But I got myself one anyway." Please quit being juvenile and read what I wrote above.

You're absolutely right - people have a very narrow perspective on what innovation means. Most people only consider disruptive innovation but ignore sustaining innovation.

The original iPhone was a disruptive innovation - it upended the smartphone industry. Since then each iPhone has included a number of sustaining innovations - new technologies that solve problems in order to bring significant improvements to the end product.

The A6 absolutely is innovative even if the places where that innovation has taken place will be largely invisible to the consumer.

I like to think of it like this - imagine you had a courier service that offered 24 hour delivery to anywhere in the UK for a flat fee. Now, imagine that same service started offering 12 hour delivery to anywhere in the UK instead. You might well say that's merely the same thing but faster! No innovation there. But what you don't see is that they've had to massively redesign and re-engineer their delivery processes, create new ways to handle packages and perhaps even invent new technologies in order to make the logistics work. That's a whole heap of innovation but the end user merely sees a service that's twice as fast for the same cost.

The A6 chip is twice as fast as the A5 for about the same or slightly less cost (this time measured in power consumption). That's all we, as the users, see. But, in order to achieve that, Apple has had to change the chip massively using proprietary technology. That's a whole heap of innovation in order to deliver something that no one has delivered before - a tiny chip that uses sod all power but delivers astonishing performance.

 

[Xiroteus]

2X CPU power
2X Graphics power
2X RAM
2X sales in the first 24 hours than last year to 2 million units

Ofcourse, as you know, Apple is doomed to hell and beyond for this innovation-less minor update.

A lot of things other phones have had for awhile now, however Apple does only update once a year and they will get a little behind often enough. It is still a good upgrade, nothing innovative at this time, not sure what else they were suppose to do. Little at this point is going to be impressive to most people. It is just about making things faster and more powerful which is all they really can do at this time.

Maybe if it had some type of holographic projector people would be surprised.

 

[samcraig]

Apple has released the thinnest, fastest, most beautifully well built phone OF ALL TIME. oh, and it is also the fastest selling phone of all time. Has android even SOLD two million phones? No, only Apple can do that. Apple invented the smartphone, everyone else stole. People who can't afford iPhones are trash or are jealous of the people who do. EVERYONE WANTS AN IPHONE. It's the only phone worth talking about. The iPhone will make you someone. Your sex life will improve immensely. People will want to be you.

You really only have two choices: buy an iPhone 5 or continue to be inferior.

Funniest post on MR this month!

(or saddest)

 

[Rogifan]

iPhone 5 smashes Carphone Warehouse pre-order record

Apple's latest iPhone has become the most pre-ordered handset in the history of UK retailer The Carphone Warehouse.

Yesterday, Apple announced that the iPhone 5 shifted 2 million units in just 24 hours after pre-orders began on September 14. This surpassed the previous record of 1m units set by its predecessor, the iPhone 4S.

The Carphone Warehouse has now announced that it too experienced record demand for the iPhone 5 after starting advanced orders last Friday.

The UK's largest independent mobile retailer said that it has taken four times as many pre-orders for the new Apple smartphone as any other handset since it started trading in 1989.

Graham Stapleton, the chief commercial officer at Carphone Warehouse, said that demand for the iPhone 5 has "smashed all previous handset launches" at the retailer.

He noted that the iPhone 5 launch last week also helped Carphone Warehouse online have its most successful ever week, including traffic increasing 63% on the previous seven days.

"Perhaps surprisingly, over half of the traffic on the evening of the announcement [on September 12] came via our mobile website with mobile data up nearly 200% week-on-week," he said.

"We're witnessing a fundamental shift in the way customers access content and purchase technology, with as many people now as happy to access website content through the device in their pocket rather than the PC on their desktop.

"We also noticed that two-thirds of the increased mobile traffic came from iPhones and iPads - it's apparent that huge numbers of current iPhone users are interested in upgrading their device to the newest Apple handset."

The Carphone Warehouse has sold every variant of the iPhone since the original launched in 2007, and the firm estimates that it has sold more than 1.6m units of the Apple smartphone to date.

The iPhone 5 comes with a larger 4-inch Retina display, a faster A6 processor, improved camera technology and a new dock connector. It is available for free from The Carphone Warehouse on mobile plans from £46 per month.

 

[thewitt]

Aka 'shipped' units. Talking about deception....

Samsung counts sales into their retail channel as sales. This is 3-5 million units. Samsung also counts sales to the carriers another 3-5 million units.

Apple only counts sales to actual customers.

 

[BaldiMac]

Samsung counts sales into their retail channel as sales. This is 3-5 million units. Samsung also counts sales to the carriers another 3-5 million units.

Apple only counts sales to actual customers.

Samsung doesn't report sales or shipments at all.

 

[jrswizzle]

What difference does it make?

I think he/she like many others are simply curious given you don't just come here to banter back and forth - you seem like you are deeply disturbed by Apple and what they do.

We don't need anyone to save us from the evil of Apple thanks.

Oh and before you go crying about people not responding to your posts and taking that to mean you're right, how about responding to my post? I asked you why you come on here and offered a well-thought out post against your points and you never responded (was on the Samsung Ad thread). So by your own logic you admit Apple began the smartphone boom and that they are innovative.

If you'd just relax and think clearly for a second you'd be able to have some well-reasoned and thought provoking conversations instead of the repetitive nonsense you consistently leak.

 

[Mr Hill]

Well this smashes all those who claimed that the iPhone 5 was a "disappointment" or that this would be the "beginning of the end" for Apple.

Guess all those "features" of the GS3 aren't enough to slow down the iPhone juggernaut.

The iPhone 5 could possibly exceed GS3 lifetime sales by early October.

 

[Supermule]

Going after the man? How so? I'm focusing entirely on the subject of our discussion.

Would you like to point out a single company that is like Apple?

No, why should I do that? All Im saying is that their new phone is - in my world - nothing different than the other phones on the market.

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I felt like clawing my eyes out while reading your post! For heaven's sake, spell check before you hit submit.

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Take it easy. English is not my first language + I was typing on a smartphone.

 

[kdarling]

Example: the LTE and CDMA chips are combined into one - isn't that 'innovation'? No body else has done that before.

Wasn't the first single chip CDMA+LTE phone, the 2011 HTC Thunderbolt on Verizon? Perhaps you meant the first single chip CDMA+GSM+LTE phone.

In either case, the single chip is a Qualcomm design "innovation"... or rather, what is usually called "a natural product progression", as every broadband radio maker in the world has been announcing single chip modem intentions for years.

 

[lilo777]

iPhone 5 smashes Carphone Warehouse pre-order record

Apple's latest iPhone has become the most pre-ordered handset in the history of UK retailer The Carphone Warehouse.

Yesterday, Apple announced that the iPhone 5 shifted 2 million units in just 24 hours after pre-orders began on September 14. This surpassed the previous record of 1m units set by its predecessor, the iPhone 4S.

The Carphone Warehouse has now announced that it too experienced record demand for the iPhone 5 after starting advanced orders last Friday.

The UK's largest independent mobile retailer said that it has taken four times as many pre-orders for the new Apple smartphone as any other handset since it started trading in 1989.

Graham Stapleton, the chief commercial officer at Carphone Warehouse, said that demand for the iPhone 5 has "smashed all previous handset launches" at the retailer.

He noted that the iPhone 5 launch last week also helped Carphone Warehouse online have its most successful ever week, including traffic increasing 63% on the previous seven days.

"Perhaps surprisingly, over half of the traffic on the evening of the announcement [on September 12] came via our mobile website with mobile data up nearly 200% week-on-week," he said.

"We're witnessing a fundamental shift in the way customers access content and purchase technology, with as many people now as happy to access website content through the device in their pocket rather than the PC on their desktop.

"We also noticed that two-thirds of the increased mobile traffic came from iPhones and iPads - it's apparent that huge numbers of current iPhone users are interested in upgrading their device to the newest Apple handset."

The Carphone Warehouse has sold every variant of the iPhone since the original launched in 2007, and the firm estimates that it has sold more than 1.6m units of the Apple smartphone to date.

The iPhone 5 comes with a larger 4-inch Retina display, a faster A6 processor, improved camera technology and a new dock connector. It is available for free from The Carphone Warehouse on mobile plans from £46 per month.

As was noted by some analyst yesterday on CNBC, he observed the following trend with iPhone purchases. Beginning from iPhone 4 (then 4S and 5) people started timing their iPhone purchases trying to buy it right after the phone was released. So whereas before people were buying iPhones more or less steadily throughout the year not they buy it in September/October and then there is huge lull. So, to some extent the increase in purchases in these two months (including pre-orders) does not necessarily indicate how successful the product will be in the end. Interestingly enough, while all consequent iPhone releases were more and more successful (and the annual sale volumes actually rose significantly), still Apple share of smart phone market stagnated and Samsung overtook Apple last year.

 

[whooleytoo]

As was noted by some analyst yesterday on CNBC, he observed the following trend with iPhone purchases. Beginning from iPhone 4 (then 4S and 5) people started timing their iPhone purchases trying to buy it right after the phone was released. So whereas before people were buying iPhones more or less steadily throughout the year not they buy it in September/October and then there is huge lull. So, to some extent the increase in purchases in these two months (including pre-orders) does not necessarily indicate how successful the product will be in the end. Interestingly enough, while all consequent iPhone releases were more and more successful (and the annual sale volumes actually rose significantly), still Apple share of smart phone market stagnated and Samsung overtook Apple last year.

Good point.

You wouldn't likely see the same effect with other smartphone platforms as there are more vendors/choices, hence no one clear, defined product cycle.

Personally, I held on to my 3G - even though it was barely operational - so that I could make it to the iPhone 5 release. Not that there's anything specific I need in the new model, I just didn't want to wait so long and then get a previous model. I guess the one real benefit is that the 5 will be supported longer.

 

[BaldiMac]

still Apple share of smart phone market stagnated

That's not true. Apple's market share increased significantly with the iPhone 4S.

 

[Taz Mangus]

That's not true. Apple's market share increased significantly with the iPhone 4S.

Keep in mind that one thing he does not mention is that Samsung produces something on the order of 10x as many different models of smart phones as Apple vs 3 for Apple. It is obvious to me that Samsung would have a larger share of smart phone market given the larger amount of different phones that they have on the market. It is a Apples to Oranges comparison.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Samsung doesn't report sales or shipments at all.

If I am not mistaken Samsung did report that they had 9M SGIII in their sales channels.