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If you'd like to point out where I failed to focus on the subject that would be nice.

You claimed that Apple isn't different yet you can't come up with a single company that they aren't different from! I think this discussion has run its course.

...Here we go again...after the man again...

Yes! I claime Apple isn't different from anybody! They are now like all the others. And I dont want to pay (or pay even more!) for an Iphone since its "all" the same "boring" phone as the old one and its like all the others.

Who cares if Apple will exist in the end (in 20 years). 99 % of the consumer market is about getting most costumers. The 1 % left dont care. They do what they want. Some of them gets extrem succes, some others dont. But they did what they wanted, and played there chances in a non-specualtive way. And when you are like Apple, and have a solidt economic ground, you should definetly go for it. But its all laying on the assumption, that I believe Apple is playing the "market game" and not "their own game". Maybe Im wrong. Maybe this is what Apple want.

The big problem is ofcourse all the stockholders, who just wants a big profit. And thats why they - in this situation - must do it this way.

But, they could have done like the founder of IKEA and just kept the hole. I think they could have made it finansiel anyway.
 
Why would anyone respond to such a tired, trollish chestnut?



Check the history of Bill Gates if you want a lesson on exploiting the work of others for massive financial gain.

Enjoy your haterade.

Why? To prove a point. Nobody answered because Jobs didnt invent anything, and clearly didnt innovate much.

As for your Bill Gates remark.... we're on the topic of apple and steve jobs, not bill gates. Are you so devoted to apple that it makes it easier if you divert attention?
 
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...Here we go again...after the man again...

Yes! I claime Apple isn't different from anybody! They are now like all the others. And I dont want to pay (or pay even more!) for an Iphone since its "all" the same "boring" phone as the old one and its like all the others.

Who cares if Apple will exist in the end (in 20 years). 99 % of the consumer market is about getting most costumers. The 1 % left dont care. They do what they want. Some of them gets extrem succes, some others dont. But they did what they wanted, and played there chances in a non-specualtive way. And when you are like Apple, and have a solidt economic ground, you should definetly go for it. But its all laying on the assumption, that I believe Apple is playing the "market game" and not "their own game". Maybe Im wrong. Maybe this is what Apple want.

The big problem is ofcourse all the stockholders, who just wants a big profit. And thats why they - in this situation - must do it this way.

But, they could have done like the founder of IKEA and just kept the hole. I think they could have made it finansiel anyway.

Going after the man? How so? I'm focusing entirely on the subject of our discussion.

Would you like to point out a single company that is like Apple?
 
way to take my post out of context., especially when I pointed out that the new processor is evidence of innovation, which you conveniently cut out of my quote...

Please highlight for me where you mentioned the processor was innovative?

Funny how I see more comments about fan droids than actual fan droid posts here. Who was it that was so insecure again?

I was unimpressed by this release. Doesn't mean I wasn't willing to face reality. Apple shattered their previous record again. Go Apple! By the way, sales. Numbers are not evidence of innovation (or lack thereof). Not sure why so many insist that they are...

Like I said in a previous post, it was not my intention to say that you specifically said there was no innovation (thought I was replying to you but apparently I was confusing you and LordVic), rather is was my reaction to so many people saying that Apple no longer innovates. Your post triggered the reaction to a general attitude I've seen from others.
 
(and no, I'm not accusing all Linux people of being like this either. It just seems that this segment I'm talking about is a subset of Linux enthusiusts).

I'm a Linux "enthusiast" myself. I do use Apple stuff, because ... well it should be pretty obvious why. But I don't agree with your post on one thing : the people being accused of "hating" and "trolling" and "being Frandroids and Samsung-ites" are not the haters you point to. They are normal Apple users like myself (I've been accused of being a Fandroid even though my phone is an iPhone, has been since my 3GS). A lot of the more "enthusiastic" Apple crowd basically think that anyone not "pro-Apple" as JGowan puts it is automatically "con-Apple". There is no such bi-polarity.
 
Yeah, "cool story bro" is worse, but I wouldn't say by much. Go back and have a look at this thread. I challenge you to average one post per page that is actually meaningful and has a point to it? Apple posts sales numbers and these threads all erupt into behavior that would rival the crusades (if the crusades were held on the internet and didn't actually involve killing ;))

After being bombarded with fandroids all year long, I can't say I care very much. You're obviously nitpicking and naive enough to conclude Apple fans must be more insecure based on one thread.
 
After being bombarded with fandroids all year long, I can't say I care very much. You're obviously nitpicking and naive enough to conclude Apple fans must be more insecure based on one thread.

Nobody is saying anyone is more insecure. Where is this coming from?:confused: I have been around a while. I frequent the forums. Die-hard fans of either platform are equally insecure. This entire thread has become a justification thread...

You don't have to care. I am just sharing my opinion, same as anyone else. All of these threads because a cluster ******* of gibberish anyway because the iOS tools and the Android tools sit here slinging mud trying to prove something to themselves and one another.

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Please highlight for me where you mentioned the processor was innovative?



Like I said in a previous post, it was not my intention to say that you specifically said there was no innovation (thought I was replying to you but apparently I was confusing you and LordVic), rather is was my reaction to so many people saying that Apple no longer innovates. Your post triggered the reaction to a general attitude I've seen from others.

You are absolutely right. I didn't go out and say that the chip was innovative. That is something you said, I I agreed to, with some added commentary. Apologies. I thought you omitted something from my post, but you did not. Here is that quote. :)

Originally Posted by Geckotek
Nope, evidence of innovation is the new processor. Apple did something original there.
That's fine. Notice I am not saying there was no innovation. I am simply pointing out to those people who sarcastically say "oh but Apple innovated nothing" and then point to sales numbers. Sales are great. They are not evidence Of Innovation. I stand by that.

What you said, while true, had little do do with my original statement.

If I may, I am expecting that people's issues are mostly coming from a lack of a killer new software feature. Every year we have been given something totally new. This year we got maps, which we already had in one form or another. Maybe they are earth shatteringly better. From what we have seen, they seem about the same (in terms of already getting the functionality through the App Store or on other devices). In terms of the OS itself, I personally don't see a whole lot of innovation. Refinement, sure. Innovation, not so much.

Assuming I am right, I can't blame people for thinking this way. Words like ecosystem, software, etc. get thrown around way more frequently than does hardware. People expect a whole lot from their software. I was expecting a whole lot from this software. I don't feel Apple delivered, based on preliminary information.
 
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I'm a Linux "enthusiast" myself. I do use Apple stuff, because ... well it should be pretty obvious why. But I don't agree with your post on one thing : the people being accused of "hating" and "trolling" and "being Frandroids and Samsung-ites" are not the haters you point to. They are normal Apple users like myself (I've been accused of being a Fandroid even though my phone is an iPhone, has been since my 3GS). A lot of the more "enthusiastic" Apple crowd basically think that anyone not "pro-Apple" as JGowan puts it is automatically "con-Apple". There is no such bi-polarity.

I'm not accusing all linux enthusiusts of being that way. It's just the people I see who tend to be that way also tend to be linux enthusiusts (and seeing as they are very pro open source is it a wonder why ;)?). All I'm saying is there is that attitude out there (and you may see it some on here though you are right not as much as people accuse. G+ though you see it a lot but that's cause you also get a lot of the opposite of the apple fanboy there. But yeah, don't publicly like apple stuff on G+, you don't have to post anything anti android, just anything that is positive towards Apple, anything pro apple put publicly is bound to get some obnoxious person telling you you are a sheeple or isheep or how apple stuff is for people who just follow trends or who don't really like tech or whatnot).
 
Nobody is saying anyone is more insecure. Where is this coming from?:confused: I have been around a while. I frequent the forums. Die-hard fans of either platform are equally insecure. This entire thread has become a justification thread...

You don't have to care. I am just sharing my opinion, same as anyone else. All of these threads because a cluster ******* of gibberish anyway because the iOS tools and the Android tools sit here slinging mud trying to prove something to themselves and one another.

Yes, so you didn't say Apple fanboys were more insecure, but until I see you call on fandroids for being insecure your opinion means little. After all, you didn't hesitate to call on Apple fanboys for being insecure in this thread.
 
While I agree with you on the overall shape of the economy; unemployment is really not that good of an indicator because of the way it is calculated. It only includes those actively looking for work; which means as people get discouraged they stop looking lower unemployment numbers conversely as the outlook brightens they return and make it look worse.

Of course, that never stopped any politician from using the numbers to support their position.

God how I love the dismal science.

No I just need to decide - order online or wait in line...

So, I'm guessing you're pessimistic about the economy because Obama is soon to be either re-elected or replaced?
 
...Here we go again...after the man again...

Yes! I claime Apple isn't different from anybody! They are now like all the others. And I dont want to pay (or pay even more!) for an Iphone since its "all" the same "boring" phone as the old one and its like all the others.

Who cares if Apple will exist in the end (in 20 years). 99 % of the consumer market is about getting most costumers. The 1 % left dont care. They do what they want. Some of them gets extrem succes, some others dont. But they did what they wanted, and played there chances in a non-specualtive way. And when you are like Apple, and have a solidt economic ground, you should definetly go for it. But its all laying on the assumption, that I believe Apple is playing the "market game" and not "their own game". Maybe Im wrong. Maybe this is what Apple want.

The big problem is ofcourse all the stockholders, who just wants a big profit. And thats why they - in this situation - must do it this way.

But, they could have done like the founder of IKEA and just kept the hole. I think they could have made it finansiel anyway.

I felt like clawing my eyes out while reading your post! For heaven's sake, spell check before you hit submit.

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People in suits back then did not look as good as that guy.
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That's the thing, you're both mistaken. There is no "haters". Some people just don't agree with everything Apple does. One guy stating a "negative" opinion of one facet of Apple does not make him a Fandroid or Samsung-ite. Heck, owning a Samsung or Android product does not disqualify anyone from coming to MacRumors.

That's what I mean by mistaking your opinion (that is, thinking we're all Apple enthusiasts or supporters) for forum rules. There are no rules that stops casual Apple users from coming here. Those users might not agree with everything Apple stands for or does. They might also own products from other vendors. You know they don't check your list of gadgets at the Apple store before selling you their trinkets right ?

again, nobody has suggested this site is for enthusiasts only. nobody has suggested that except you. this is called a straw man argument. please quote one of us otherwise?

what has been suggested is the behavior of aggressive "haters" is neurotic. and it certainly exists on this site; pretending otherwise is disengenuous.

also - nice try on calling my purchases "trinkets". fail tho; I'm a developer and have been for 15 years. my tools are an investment in my craft.
 
Please explain to me

a) when has Apple ever not said they've been blown away/very happy/etc with the pre-order for the iPhone.

b) why an Apple Spokesperson would ever say anything BUT how amazing their sales have been.

Exactly. Even if their product hadn't doubled pre-order numbers from the previous year's model, which in itself doubled the pre-orders of the iPhone 4, they're still going to say that. And they've releasing in 2 whole extra markets world-wide, HK and Singapore.

Boring.
 
Yes, so you didn't say Apple fanboys were more insecure, but until I see you call on fandroids for being insecure your opinion means little. After all, you didn't hesitate to call on Apple fanboys for being insecure in this thread.

My own quote:

Die-hard fans of either platform are insecure

Does it really have to be spelled out? Here, let me alter my original quote a bit, just for you.

Die hard fans of any platform, including, but not limited to Android and iOS, are insecure.

Is that more to your liking good sir?
 
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My own quote:



Does it really have to be spelled out? Here, let me alter my original quote a bit, just for you.

Die hard fans of any platform, including, but not limited to Android and iOS, are insecure.

Is that more to your liking good sir?

Not really. I've yet to see you respond specifically to comments made by fandroids so I'm afraid you're not as equal opportunity as you'd like to believe ;)
 
Not really. I've yet to see you respond specifically to comments made by fandroids so I'm afraid you're not as equal opportunity as you'd like to believe ;)

Lol, you crack me up. Fandroids are insecure. Obviously it wasn't clear enough that "Die-hard fan", when speaking of Android as a platform, is synonymous with the (made up) term fandroid. Happy? :rolleyes:

What did we acheive here other than wasting even more space in in overcluttered and largely worthless thread?

By the way, I haven't responded to anyone who hasn't responded to me first. I am not picking and choosing who I am responding to. If you like, have a look at my post history. Or don't. your choice.

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Exactly. Even if their product hadn't doubled pre-order numbers from the previous year's model, which in itself doubled the pre-orders of the iPhone 4, they're still going to say that. And they've releasing in 2 whole extra markets world-wide, HK and Singapore.

Boring.

What they would have said is largely irrelevant. What they did say, assuming it is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, is that their preorders were massive. A much more massive growth than has been seen with any iPhone EVER. Why is that so hard for people to accept?

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Seems like this thread should be closed by admin.... its starting to wander and wrinkle up and die. :)

We surpassed that somewhere around the end of page one. ;)
 
You kind of contradict yourself there. You refer to PC/ android users as "Pimple faced keyboard warriors" and then in your very next sentance you state "but I never see an Apple owner being rude to a PC/ android owner"

Point being is, the PC/Android community always start the fight. I am just pointing out that they are keyboard warriors because of it. Go ahead and defend what is so obvious, enjoy your S3.

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Android Fanboy - "Ugly, S3 is better, this thing won't sell"...

Apple - "We were blown away by preorders"...

Android Fanboy - "BS Hype, held back supply, marketing spin"

Apple - "2M Preorders, doubling the iPhone 4s record"

Android Fanboy - "Oh, well whatever, S3 is quad core so its faster"

Geekbench - "iPhone 5 runs at least as fast on only 2 cores, saving tons of battery"

Android Fanboy - "FML"

Did I miss anything?

a lot more swear words from the Sammy community
 
Apple has released the thinnest, fastest, most beautifully well built phone OF ALL TIME. oh, and it is also the fastest selling phone of all time. Has android even SOLD two million phones? No, only Apple can do that. Apple invented the smartphone, everyone else stole. People who can't afford iPhones are trash or are jealous of the people who do. EVERYONE WANTS AN IPHONE. It's the only phone worth talking about. The iPhone will make you someone. Your sex life will improve immensely. People will want to be you.

You really only have two choices: buy an iPhone 5 or continue to be inferior.
 
Yeah, what a "disappointing" phone. :rolleyes:

Sadly many of the people who buy the iPhone think it's still the best thing out there. Yea the iPhone 5 will sell like hotcakes. But when you consider that video of those people who thought the iPhone 4S was the new iPhone 5 and wanted to get it...well that say's a lot. Next year when Apple releases the iPhone 5S, all they'll probably add is a different colored/toned back and they'll make billions.

Not hating on Apple, just saying the facts.


Apple has released the thinnest, fastest, most beautifully well built phone OF ALL TIME. oh, and it is also the fastest selling phone of all time. Has android even SOLD two million phones? No, only Apple can do that. Apple invented the smartphone, everyone else stole. People who can't afford iPhones are trash or are jealous of the people who do. EVERYONE WANTS AN IPHONE. It's the only phone worth talking about. The iPhone will make you someone. Your sex life will improve immensely. People will want to be you.

You really only have two choices: buy an iPhone 5 or continue to be inferior.

LOL. Oh wow. I'm REALLY hoping you're being sarcastic. Really I do.
 
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