diamond.g
macrumors G5
Wait, where are you seeing FB-DIMM's for that cheap of a price?
That person, is wrong. There are plenty of PC's that are running the 8800GT with no PCIe 2.0 slot. Compatibility is up to the card not the Mobo.
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macrumors 68020
No worries, we (at least I) wasn't trying to be nasty or territorial, it's just you made me nervous that I might order the wrong RAM for my Mac Pro... Secretly I'm hoping that this means the 667mhz RAM will really drop in price so I can get 8GB dirt cheap. <shifty eyes>
MrCrowbar
macrumors 68020
True. Displays do only 60 Frames per second anyway. I have to agree FPS games are harder to play if they get below 60 fps and there's a lot of action. At 30, they're unplayable at normal difficulty levels.
That said, the Mac Pro is not suited for gaming at all. (Neither is the xServer 😱 )
onicon
macrumors regular
bs. 1.0 slots are compatible to 2.0 cards and vice versa. unless apple put in some weird protection mechanism, a 8800 gt should work in a mp 1g, provided it is running an operating system including the necessary drivers.
MrCrowbar
macrumors 68020
I can get 2GB SO-Dims for 55 Euros right now. Too bad my old Macbook only supports 2 1GB modules, which I have installed. Ah well, it's working fine for what I use it for.
azentropy
macrumors 601
Huh? That statement is absurd. Check your history. Apple sold PowerMac g4's started as low as $1499 (and you could even configure them lower in some cases). Now to buy a new Macintosh that is internally expandable (which I'll simplify further as just saying has an expansion slot) the entry level is $2799 (or $2299 if you customize it).
While overall computer prices have dropped significantly in that time, Apple has almost doubled what the cost is for the entry internally expandable system.
Up until recently Apple has always had a midrange internally expandable system. Even going back to pre-PowerPC days. The LC's, IIsi, IIcx, IIci all had expansion slots and were NOT the high end systems of the day.
There is nothing wrong with the Mac Pro. It is a fantastic workstation and a fantastic deal at that price. But that doesn't mean we should be content that it should be our only option in wanting a more expandable system.
CWallace
macrumors G5
This presumes that the Apple Store Online person is accurate in their information. 😉
I am certainly not saying it can't happen. But all the 5000-series systemboards I have seen for sale come with dual CPU sockets, including the ones offered by Intel, which I believe provides the systemboards to Apple.
So I remain of the opinion that ordering a Mac Pro with a single CPU will result in a machine that will ship with a systemboard with two CPU sockets. But I am not going to be adamant in that opinion. 😛
overview
okay, let's see at the specs
800Mh DDR2, thought they were starting off with 1333Mhz DDR3 in PC-land
still no support for SLI, strangely enough many of today's PC's support it
big announcement of speed difference between SAS and RAID, how old is SAS anyway and wheren't they exploring the world of SSD?
no BR or HD-DVD, FCP can edit HD but your new MP still can't deliver it (except when purchasing an external drive off course)
still no support for soundcards (at least not inside its housing), didn't Creative develop a soundcard with 64MB of memory three years back?
one full lenght PCI Express x16 slot, how many motherboards have multiple full lenght PCI Express x16 slots nowadays
when you buy the full option (SAS memory, 32GB RAM, Quaddro) you end up with a price difference of 8000 dollars in comparison with the previous model (when fully upgraded), how much do most people pay for their RAM these days? who wants the RADEON but hasn't enough money for the Geforce? why are the prices of the hard drives so expensive in comparison with the same ones in the computershop?
I guess you allready know what I think of the new MP
Apple's investments in hardware in terms of research and development seem to be cut short
grtz
okay, let's see at the specs
800Mh DDR2, thought they were starting off with 1333Mhz DDR3 in PC-land
still no support for SLI, strangely enough many of today's PC's support it
big announcement of speed difference between SAS and RAID, how old is SAS anyway and wheren't they exploring the world of SSD?
no BR or HD-DVD, FCP can edit HD but your new MP still can't deliver it (except when purchasing an external drive off course)
still no support for soundcards (at least not inside its housing), didn't Creative develop a soundcard with 64MB of memory three years back?
one full lenght PCI Express x16 slot, how many motherboards have multiple full lenght PCI Express x16 slots nowadays
when you buy the full option (SAS memory, 32GB RAM, Quaddro) you end up with a price difference of 8000 dollars in comparison with the previous model (when fully upgraded), how much do most people pay for their RAM these days? who wants the RADEON but hasn't enough money for the Geforce? why are the prices of the hard drives so expensive in comparison with the same ones in the computershop?
I guess you allready know what I think of the new MP
Apple's investments in hardware in terms of research and development seem to be cut short
grtz
8800 GT future tandard?
Obviously they don't get enought 8800GT as the delivery time changes form 3-5 days to 3-5 weeks if you choose that option.
Maybe Apple will drop the ATI 2600 as soon as the 8800GT gets available in shorter delays.
Obviously they don't get enought 8800GT as the delivery time changes form 3-5 days to 3-5 weeks if you choose that option.
Maybe Apple will drop the ATI 2600 as soon as the 8800GT gets available in shorter delays.
Exactly. Some of us Pros have better things to do then play with joysticks all day.
Just buy a friggin xboxpspwii and be done with it.
CWallace
macrumors G5
True, but when Apple controls 17% of the market and not 7%, they can likely be a bit more ambitious in their product line since their total sales volume will be enough to support more products profitably.
I understand where you are coming from in terms of upgrading. I, too, would have preferred the Mac Pro since I have had towers for the past 20 years. But the Al iMac offered enough performance for what I needed at a good enough price point it was too good for me to pass up. If the difference from a 24" iMac and a 23" Mac Pro was $1000 instead of $2000+, I would likely have eaten the difference for the sake of future expandability.
But then, Apple hasn't always been that great about future expandability with the last Mac Pro. Notice how many people here want the new Mac Pro because Apple never offered few new options for the old Mac Pro so they need to buy an entirely new system.
MacGeek7
macrumors 6502a
Maybe we'll have the option of Combo, Super, and Ultra Drive with Blu-Ray read/write
aussie_geek
macrumors 65816
Bah - no 8800 gtx and no sli???? And 800 MHz ram - there is 1.33GHz ram on the market now LOL
I am disappointed.
aussie_geek
eric55lv
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I agree with you 100%. I find it inconceivable that they would support a different motherboard for a single-cpu non-standard build option.
However, trying to get more information has been even less helpful. Speaking with a sales associate on the phone, I was told that no Mac CPU's are upgradable - that would be akin to trying to put a 12-cylinder engine in an 8-cylinder car. My attempts to explain that I know how computers are built and what can and can't be swapped out were met with more bad analogies.
I am almost certain that it's the same board, but am not willing to make a $2000+ gamble on it. Can anyone here recommend someone I can contact who would know for certain?
pjarvi
macrumors 65816
This wouldn't be as much of an issue if the iMac were headless. As a gamer, my primary monitor is not just used for the computer, but also has Component inputs for connecting game consoles. A quick search of the iMac forum will show numerous people asking how to connect a console to their iMac. Make the iMac headless and the issue goes away, providing gamers with a reasonable headless Mac that can handle most games.
As it is now, my custom built PC cost me just shy of $1k, a single processor Mac Pro with 2GB RAM and the 8800 runs $2.5k.
A headless iMac with 2GB and some version of the GeForce 8 series could be done for around $1.5 which is a lot more reasonable.
Promotion for the local retailer
Apple needs the local retailers badly for marketing and service reasons. So it makes completly sense for Apple to announce prices in the Apple store at a level where local retailes can be cheaper (or making some more profit than with other products) just by filling the Mac Pros with RAM and cards they can buy directly.
Apple needs the local retailers badly for marketing and service reasons. So it makes completly sense for Apple to announce prices in the Apple store at a level where local retailes can be cheaper (or making some more profit than with other products) just by filling the Mac Pros with RAM and cards they can buy directly.
Now that Apple is using Intel chips, the best Apple can do is just what they did: Announce a new Mac Pro the day after Intel announces a new chip. Apple can't lead, they can only, at best closely follow Intel.
If you want "leading" then they will have to go back to using their own chips but that means "gigabucks" to maintain their own CPU and keep it ahead of Intel. Apple tried the PPC route and found they just did not have the user base to support chip development and fell way behind Intel. On the other hand Sun Microsystems continues to support their SPARC chips but Sun's customers are happy to buy 64 core machines for $200K
Stridder44
macrumors 68040
Half of you "pro" users sound like 10 year olds who didn't get their way.
The pinnacle of this being "I wish they had changed the case design so people would know it's new" (something along those lines).
I can't believe some of you have the nerve to complain. You won't be happy until they offer your desired setup as a "BTO" option that costs as much as a baseline MP. Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Just because Apple doesn't provide it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Jesus no wonder people hate Mac users.
The pinnacle of this being "I wish they had changed the case design so people would know it's new" (something along those lines).
I can't believe some of you have the nerve to complain. You won't be happy until they offer your desired setup as a "BTO" option that costs as much as a baseline MP. Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Just because Apple doesn't provide it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Jesus no wonder people hate Mac users.
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onicon
macrumors regular
let me get back to you thursday. then i can check the replacement part lists (provided they're up in apples database at that time).
Which would make more of a difference...
If I'm doing work in Logic Studio, Final Cut Pro and Motion:
8 cores with standard video card
4 cores with 8800 GT?
I'm planning on bumping to 4g of ram anyway, so I have to pick between one of those configs as they're roughly the same price..
If I'm doing work in Logic Studio, Final Cut Pro and Motion:
8 cores with standard video card
4 cores with 8800 GT?
I'm planning on bumping to 4g of ram anyway, so I have to pick between one of those configs as they're roughly the same price..
zoozx
macrumors 6502a
aussie_geek
macrumors 65816
What about Apple and EA games agreement last year - they will be bringing more games to the Mac platform. This Mac Pro will suck for gaming even in boot camp. At the moment Apple has no machine on par with PC boxes you can get atm. The Mac Pro is a render box.
Think of all the younger ppl with Mac's - Apple is really missing out here. There is a limit to how many websites, itunes ripping / encoding and movies you can make. Computer gaming is a real market that Apple has chosen to leave to the PC. Also, an iMac is hardly a games machine they are using outdated graphics cards. I have read a number of forum topics on this board about gaming with them - ppl are still having to lower settings in game to increase frame rate performance. If you buy a new comp, you should be able to run the latest games at max settings. My new PC box can. Why cant Apple's??
aussie_geek