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Since US-produced goods are likely to become more expensive to the rest of the world (counter-tariffs), I'd imagine this is just for US sales and most of the production will remain in Asia?

Don't worry, Apple will raise prices for international customers instead to compensate. Just like how tariffs are dealt with.

We (in Europe) should ask for Europe assembled machines. We have the workforce available and we have quite competitive salaries in some countries.

People and businesses in Europe are becoming more reluctant to buy from the US. Anti-US sentiment is at an all time high. Governments are moving away from US tech because of the current administration.

Buying from Asia has always been challenging given environmental standards and working conditions.

So yeah, moving production to the EU sounds like a good idea but it definitely has its challenges. For starters, it’s far too expensive. Stricter regulations and fair wages come at a price.
 
Mexico isn't an option. Asia is a lot more cheaper than any other places and yet, they have all infrastructures with the best know-how and labor skills.
I disagree. I’m not talking about moving things tomorrow. I’m talking about a decades long plan to create a new manufacturing base through education, investment and cooperation. Much of the same stuff people want to do in the US, but in Mexico with highly specialized positions coming mainly from the US.
 
I disagree. I’m not talking about moving things tomorrow. I’m talking about a decades long plan to create a new manufacturing base through education, investment and cooperation. Much of the same stuff people want to do in the US, but in Mexico with highly specialized positions coming mainly from the US.
I disagree then. A decades long plan is too late and cant even come close to Asia in many ways. What about infrastructures? Know-hows? Labor skills? Systems?

Besides, most of parts are manufactured and assembled in Asia which makes it impossible. This is why you can NOT replace Asia. Taiwan alone creates most of computer parts by 80~90% with manufactures and assemblys.

Anyone thinking that it's possible to make and assemble outside of Asia is just ignorant.
 
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I disagree then. A decades long plan is too late
Too late for what? I’m thinking long term.

and cant even come close to Asia in many ways. What about infrastructures? Know-hows? Labor skills? Systems?
Hence the stated need for investment and education.

Besides, most of parts are manufactured and assembled in Asia
Until they’re not.

which makes it impossible.
It’s certainly not impossible to change a supply chain in the long term.
 
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Production costs will be significantly higher, and the price of these units should rise sharply in the US. If not, Apple is subsidizing these devices and will likely charge a higher price internationally than necessary, given the significantly lower production costs.
I suspect that since it’s such a small part of apple's business, it’s a loss leader aimed at placating trump. Tim can claim he’s moving manufacturing back to the US and just absorb the additional production costs to make a few minis.
 
Too late for what? I’m thinking long term.
How does long term solve anything? The labor fee itself is already higher than Asia which can not be solved forever. Literally, all electronic productions and infrastructure are based in Asia and you have no idea what you are talking about or it seems like you are acting like MAGA believing that Trump can revive manufacturing industry in USA.

Hence the stated need for investment and education.
That's not enough and totally pointless.

Until they’re not.
Hahaha, you must be dreaming. Even Apple relies on Asia to produce their own products and are there any well known tech companies with factories in North and South America? NONE.

It’s certainly not impossible to change a supply chain in the long term.
You never provided any plausible solutions to replace Asia which makes it illogical.

Clearly, you are underestimating the power of Asia, especially China, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. North/South America lack know-how, cheap and skilled labors, infrastructure, tech companies, manufacturing systems, Supply Chain Clustering, Economies of Scale, Integrated Production Systems, Flexible and Rapid Production Turnaround, Rare Earths and Raw Materials, Dense Ecosystem of Testing and Quality Control, and more.

Literally, there are no chances to replace Asia for manufacturing and assembling in many ways and you just hate to admit it.
 
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How does long term solve anything? The labor fee itself is already higher than Asia which can not be solved forever. Literally, all electronic productions and infrastructure are based in Asia and you have no idea what you are talking about or it seems like you are acting like MAGA believing that Trump can revive manufacturing industry in USA.


That's not enough and totally pointless.


Hahaha, you must be dreaming. Even Apple relies on Asia to produce their own products and are there any well known tech companies with factories in North and South America? NONE.


You never provided any plausible solutions to replace Asia which makes it illogical.

Clearly, you are underestimating the power of Asia, especially China, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. North/South America lack know-how, cheap and skilled labors, infrastructure, tech companies, manufacturing systems, Supply Chain Clustering, Economies of Scale, Integrated Production Systems, Flexible and Rapid Production Turnaround, Rare Earths and Raw Materials, Dense Ecosystem of Testing and Quality Control, and more.

Literally, there are no chances to replace Asia for manufacturing and assembling in many ways and you just hate to admit it.
I see where the disconnect here is. You assume I’m specifically talking about electronics manufacturing. I’m not. I’m talking about growing whatever types of manufacturing work best. I, like you, think moving manufacturing to the US isn’t practical. That’s why I proposed Mexico as an alternative.
 
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I see where the disconnect here is. You assume I’m specifically talking about electronics manufacturing. I’m not. I’m talking about growing whatever types of manufacturing work best. I, like you, think moving manufacturing to the US isn’t practical. That’s why I proposed Mexico as an alternative.
Again, same for others. Besides, Mexico has a lot of fundamental problems while issues that I mentioned aren't resolved such as infrastructure, security, labors, and raw materials.

The entire South/North America sucks for it.
 
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Again, same for others. Besides, Mexico has a lot of fundamental problems while issues that I mentioned aren't resolved such as infrastructure, security, labors, and raw materials.

The entire South/North America sucks for it.
Considering Mexico is already one of the top manufacturing countries in the world (7th by output), I don’t see how you come to the conclusion that growth isn’t possible.
 
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Considering Mexico is already one of the top manufacturing countries in the world (7th by output), I don’t see how you come to the conclusion that growth isn’t possible.
Because it lacks infrastructures and has other issues. Being 7th has nothing to do with that and will be very limited.
 
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I’ve recently been thinking about whether it makes more sense to focus on bringing manufacturing to Mexico instead of the US. Cheaper labor AND it would address immigration at the southern border in a positive manner.
You might be on to something.

Why shouldn't Americans be free to migrate southward across the Rio Grande to work in a comparatively low-cost economy? Migration is in our DNA.

Migration built the USA.
 
If the cost goes up then what is the point? I don’t care where stuff is made as long as the price doesn’t increase and it’s reliable. People like to say buy American but most cannot afford to buy American. And everyone that says that usually barely has anything American made in their home.
 
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Because it lacks infrastructures and has other issues. Being 7th has nothing to do with that and will be very limited.
Being 7th certainly implies that it has infrastructure. But, again, my point was to focus on building out manufacturing infrastructure in Mexico instead of the US.
 
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People and businesses in Europe are becoming more reluctant to buy from the US. Anti-US sentiment is at an all time high. Governments are moving away from US tech because of the current administration.
These days, that sentiment is growing even stronger. People are increasingly frustrated with the U.S. due to rising prices, fuel hikes, and the anticipated increases in the general cost of living and utilities. Many are placing the blame squarely on the U.S.
 
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These days, that sentiment is growing even stronger. People are increasingly frustrated with the U.S. due to rising prices, fuel hikes, and the anticipated increases in the general cost of living and utilities. Many are placing the blame squarely on the U.S.
Similarly for people WITHIN the US. Regardless of government issued statistics, costs have significantly increased this year for critical fuel, utilities (especially natural gas and electricity to support AI data centers), home financing, healthcare, and almost laughable (cry-able?) increases in food costs. Specifically for food, avoidable expensive items like truffles (3 black truffles for $28) have remained constant while bread ($5/loaf) and milk ($3.79/gallon) have “enjoyed” 30% increases in a year, with many other staples with even higher increases.

The upper class gets a bail out. The lower class gets a hand out. The middle class gets left out.
 
These days, that sentiment is growing even stronger. People are increasingly frustrated with the U.S. due to rising prices, fuel hikes, and the anticipated increases in the general cost of living and utilities. Many are placing the blame squarely on the U.S.
Mostly it's the control of hardware, software, cloud storage and payment systems mostly residing in the US. It's going to take a few years but the rest of the world can no longer look to the US as a reliable friend. Even if the administration dramatically changes in 3 years we are looking to ourselves and elsewhere.
 
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It’s going to be awesome to see…

“Designed in Cupertino. Assembled in the United States”

A lot of stuff has shifted to Vietnam. Even my m5 MBP says assembled in Vietnam instead of assembled in China like it used to be. Seeing assembled in the USA will be a nice change
 
People and businesses in Europe are becoming more reluctant to buy from the US. Anti-US sentiment is at an all time high. Governments are moving away from US tech because of the current administration.

Buying from Asia has always been challenging given environmental standards and working conditions.

So yeah, moving production to the EU sounds like a good idea but it definitely has its challenges. For starters, it’s far too expensive. Stricter regulations and fair wages come at a price.
As a result, their Anti-US efforts can only go so far. I don’t see them NOT buying iPhones or Android based devices any time soon. 🙂
 
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