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IMHO, white is the best color for the iMac, so they got the bezels right. However, they forgot to provide a white color option for the body. That's the only thing that ruins the design, because a complete white iMac would be gorgeous. The problem is not the chin (what's wrong with it?), but the lack of a white color option when the bezel is white.
 
IMHO, white is the best color for the iMac, so they got the bezels right. However, they forgot to provide a white color option for the body. That's the only thing that ruins the design, because a complete white iMac would be gorgeous. The problem is not the chin (what's wrong with it?), but the lack of a white color option when the bezel is white.
Absolutely d'accord. The colors are refreshing, but an all-white option would have been just as nice as a space-gray/black (that's probably coming for a larger 'Pro'-type iMac later) one. I loved the look of the space-gray iMac Pro (I generally like black and it made that black bezel more harmonious and introduced black keyboard/mouse/trackpad, making everything just more consistent), but I kind of really have been missing the white signature look in Apple products for years.

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I really don't get what everyone's raving about the black bezels. Really don't.
 
Not all student get given their computer by schools. Have you ever heard of the Back to School promotion from Apple? So they are free to download whatever they wish.

Teacher again don’t generally get given laptops so again they will purchase their own and install whatever they like.

I’m a parent and I play games, I have both Xbox Series X and PS5 and I bootcamp my iMac to run Windows 10 games. You don’t need the latest Nvidia card to play games.

You have totally misunderstood my point. I have never said gaming was the primary use of the machines. It an example of one scenario where a Mac can be used and a 256GB hard drive would not be enough.

Not everyone enjoys streaming. I personally dislike it. I prefer actually owning things I pay money for. My iTunes music collection on its own is 180GB that’s your 256GB SSD finished. I keep the full library of music on every Mac I purchase.

I am in the UK and HBO Max does not exist here. We have Sky TV which allows you to download movies to watch offline later on without the need for an internet connection, for instance when you are travelling.
No your point is that there should be NO use case for 256. Yet I have stated there are. My parents do not play games. They do not download movies or music on their computer. They have the Apple TV for that.

As I have said, I have an 8TB windows gaming PC, but should I go scream on a forum saying 8TB should be standard? My work computer has 256 GB, why would I download all my music to it? And it would actually cost me getting fired by putting personal files on my system.

Yes your use cases are different. That is proof right there that there is a legitimate use case for 256GB systems.
 
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Yeah, no. It's only configurable up to 16 GB of RAM.

Exactly. I cannot believe this is a Mac users forum. Hundreds of posts about the chin and the white bezels (when the design problem is in the body: a white body with white bezels and white chin would be perfect and very beautiful, provided they add the missing front logo), and then almost nobody talking that 16GB RAM is not reasonable, not even for a non-professional Mac (nowadays you shouldn't consider anything below 32GB, specially if you'll use virtual machines).
 
No your point is that there should be NO use case for 256. Yet I have stated there are. My parents do not play games. They do not download movies or music on their computer. They have the Apple TV for that.

As I have said, I have an 8TB windows gaming PC, but should I go scream on a forum saying 8TB should be standard? My work computer has 256 GB, why would I download all my music to it? And it would actually cost me getting fired by putting personal files on my system.

Yes your use cases are different. That is proof right there that there is a legitimate use case for 256GB systems.
You keep referring to your work computer and your separate gaming rig, the vast majority of people do not own 2-3 different computers. I am referring to the majority of regular customers who purchase ONE Mac for personal use not work.

In cases of a work laptop then you may well get by on 256GB because you are only using it for one thing alone, work. The system will be streamlined only containing work related apps and files. In addition a lot of companies use cloud storage these days to also limit the need for bigger hard drives.

Now, if you are a regular consumer which these lower powered Macs are generally targeted at and you purchase ONE machine which has 256GB, this will be your ONE and ONLY computer, no extra gaming rig, no work laptop given by your company. You only have this singular machine to cater to all your needs e.g. work, gaming, school work, music, movies. In this scenario which many customers fall into, you are telling me 256GB is enough?
 
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Absolutely d'accord. The colors are refreshing, but an all-white option would have been just as nice as a space-gray/black (that's probably coming for a larger 'Pro'-type iMac later) one. I loved the look of the space-gray iMac Pro (I generally like black and it made that black bezel more harmonious and introduced black keyboard/mouse/trackpad, making everything just more consistent), but I kind of really have been missing the white signature look in Apple products for years.

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I really don't get what everyone's raving about the black bezels. Really don't.
If they were going to go retro in design they should have copied the iMac G4 with the adjustable arm. Its the most ergonomic iMac to date.
 
So why does Tim Apple allow upgradable RAM in the Intel iMacs? You know the ones used for video editing.
The 21 inch iMac does not have user replaceable RAM*, those are the machines the M1 iMacs have replaced. So nothing has changed on that front.

This has been the way entry level iMacs have been since (I believe) 2012 or so.
 
Cause it's not an all-in-one chip like the M1.
I am aware of that. Unless Apple can incorporate 32GB and 64GB pf memory on the M series it's not going to work for some applications. Even with the M1 off-board memory is possible. Interesting to see how Apple solves this problem.
 
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IMHO, white is the best color for the iMac, so they got the bezels right. However, they forgot to provide a white color option for the body. That's the only thing that ruins the design, because a complete white iMac would be gorgeous. The problem is not the chin (what's wrong with it?), but the lack of a white color option when the bezel is white.
You've obviously never done color correction on a monitor with white bezels. Search for articles that describe the issues. It also leads to eye strain.
 
The worst design ever (like cheap chinese AiO from Acer or Foxconn). Stand looks terrible. No FaceID, old M1 SoC, no MiniLeD, wide bezels, chin, funny 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD that cost on the market about $50!!! What Tim can do is only to multiply awful colors. Why they did it? To force customers to buy new iMac Pro based on new M1X for unreasonable amount of money.

And you are forced to buy anything from Apple exactly why?
 
The 21 inch iMac does not have user replaceable RAM*, those are the machines the M1 iMacs have replaced. So nothing has changed on that front.

This has been the way entry level iMacs have been since (I believe) 2012 or so.
True. But an M1 in a 27 inch or 30 inch iMac will also not have replaceable RAM unless they have off-board RAM.
 
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What in the world are you doing that your RAM requirements suddenly increase? This is a nonsensical argument. Buy what you need from day one.

I deployed machines (windows and Mac) at ESPN for two years. You know how many times I upgraded RAM on any device? Zero.
A studio owner wants to get off the ground as cheaply as possible and be able to upgrade RAM later if and when they need to.
 
A studio owner wants to get off the ground as cheaply as possible and be able to upgrade RAM later if and when they need to.
Then buy the Max offered in this iMac and you won’t wish you had when you bought it. Any studio owner with their salt knows how much DRAM they need now and in the future. It’s not rocket science at this point in the development of the PC.
 
True. But an M1 in a 27 inch or 30 inch iMac will also not have replaceable RAM unless they have off-board RAM.
There will be no M1 in a 27 or 30 inch. I think the clues are pretty clear that M1 is entry level only.
 
A studio owner wants to get off the ground as cheaply as possible and be able to upgrade RAM later if and when they need to.
What?? What kind of studio? *This* is your hypothetical user base the *entry* level iMac should be designed towards by Apple in your estimation???
 
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Your point? The design harkens back to original iMac in all kinds of ways. If Porsche can milk a design and design cues for the past 57 years, Apple sure can use heritage cues in a new design for a 23 year old computer.
It's funny how hard Porsche tries to milk the 911. The thing is, it's an outdated design. The new 911 isn't a small car like it used to be, and the wheelbase has gotten longer seemingly in every generation lately. A lot of its iconic look that used to be derived from function is now all form. They also keep adding accents and other stuff like other carmakers do to distract from the base design.

I admit it looks nice still, but if I were buying a Porsche (which I almost did), it'd be a Cayman.
 
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