Apple Announces Streaming Services and Sports Apps Available on Vision Pro at Launch

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Tim says mindless scrolling is bad

Why not sit with this huge lump of glass and aluminium on your face and watch Disney+ on your own instead. Wholesome.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

That image is what made me think of this. I can’t fathom having something that would visually astound you, but you can only get in-ear buds to hear. That’s a huge problem. Imagine watching Godzilla tearing up Tokyo, but hearing it from buds. That would be a huge letdown.

...as opposed to the quality of sound & picture in watching Godzilla the existing way on airplanes: on iPhones, iPads or Laptops? I guess since headphones can be used with those screens you get the big audio upgrade if they can't work with Vpro... but at the expense of Godzilla looking no bigger than a few inches tall on any of those screens.

In my experience with a LOT of A/V and A/V setups over the years, people care more about big picture than big sound. I passionately argue for the importance of big sound, but picture matters more to most people. Conceptually, air travelers will potentially have to choose between gigantic cinema screen in Vpro with perhaps AirPods Pro audio vs. Laptop or smaller screen with headphone sound. Each will choose to suit their own tastes.

I've been on many flights where people are watching on an iPad and using the iPads speakers turned down to try to not to bother those around them too much. For that kind of person, either option may be an upgrade.

If best audio want is impossible with superior video want, maybe save the movie until you can get to a home theater and do some work on the flight instead... or enjoy some music... or try to grab 40 winks.

 

[lovehateapple]

Will Netflix be able to be streamed from a Mac to the Vision Pro or are they going to block it like they do with casting to an Apple TV? I think it’s Netflix anyway. Could be Hulu, but one of them block Airplay.

Netflix is going to have its own app in the Vision Pro app store.

 

[decypher44]

As opposed to the quality of sound & picture in watching Godzilla the existing way on airplanes: on iPhones, iPads or Laptops? I guess since headphones can be used with those screens you get the big audio upgrade if they can't work with Vpro... but at the expensive of Godzilla looking much bigger than a few inches tall on any of those screens.

In my experience with a LOT of A/V and A/V setups over the years, people care more about big picture than big sound. I passionately argue for the importance of big sound, but picture matters more to most people. Conceptually, air travelers will potentially have to choose between gigantic cinema screen in Vpro and perhaps AirPods Pro audio vs. Laptop or smaller screen with headphone sound. Each will choose to suit their own tastes.

I get the airplane scenario. That makes sense. But how often is the average person flying per year? Is this an even more niche of a product than people have been postulating?

Idk. I know I’m not the market demo for this product, and I’m extremely fine with that. But out of pure interest and thinking of where this will lead us to in, say, 10-15 years from now, I’m trying to find the path to universal acceptance and everyday use.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I THINK I'm reading some perception of this being used in place of- say- a television and maybe A/V setup. I don't envision it replacing TVs or computer monitors, etc... just being a mobile (super-size) monitor OPTION for those that want a bigger screen while on the go/move/flight.

I don't have any perception of people basically "living" in these for the equivalent amount of time they may watch television. When they are at home, they'll probably use the television and audio tech they already have.

But when they are mobile, this can give them a screen bigger than 16"... for work or entertainment purposes. I lean positive on the product concept... but, if I buy, I think I will towards NEVER use it at home, where I have access to big screens and big audio. But when I'm flying... or at the hotel or in any situation where I need to get some solo work done on a laptop, I easily see it being used there... like I use a laptop screen now... only this screen will be much larger.

Of course, someone else may see this as their next television or sole computer monitor, etc. I just struggle with seeing it being great in that way... except for maybe the solo person, living alone with a LOT of alone time for video consumption or a lot of time working alone at a computer without ever needing much collaboration show & tell time with others.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I get the airplane scenario.

Make sure you have power at your seat, that's for sure!

As an aside, I did four United flights last week and all had "seat power" but it was only working on 1 of the 4 flights.
Lovely
/s

 

[trip1ex]

I get the airplane scenario. That makes sense. But how often is the average person flying per year? Is this an even more niche of a product than people have been postulating?

Idk. I know I’m not the market demo for this product, and I’m extremely fine with that. But out of pure interest and thinking of where this will lead us to in, say, 10-15 years from now, I’m trying to find the path to universal acceptance and everyday use.

yeah and on an airplane do you really not want to be aware of your surroundings at all? IT's a public place after all. (apologies to the jet set crowd who own private planes. )

Plus carrying around your $3500 setup on the plane? And the battery life is like 2.5 hrs max. It seems like a hassle. Although maybe if that's your laptop too...but then do you leave your laptop at home? Or does one just end up bringing yet another gadget?

So many on these forums cried about having to carry both a USB-C and Lightning cable around. I don't think they could handle carrying an expensive bulky headset with them too.

 

[coolfactor]

Been watching Prehistoric Planet on Apple TV+. The graphics and animations are unreal! Really well done! Going to be utterly amazing in a 3D experience!

 

[coolfactor]

I do worry that Apple is sidelining some incredibly innovative industrial use cases to basically sell an iPad Pro you strap to your face.

Are you looking at this through the eyes of a casual living room consumer? While some will buy this, the biggest strength of the Vision Pro will be in health, medical, industrial and educational uses. Doctors, surgeons, researchers, designers... this is opening up a whole new world. There have been AR and MR headsets for years, but the sheer Resolution and Clarity of Apple's device will bring this to a whole new level.

 

[turbineseaplane]

So many on these forums cried about having to carry both a USB-C and Lightning cable around. I don't think they could handle carrying an expensive bulky headset with them too.

Seriously!
The thing looks massively unwieldy to be taking onto a plane (unless it's a private plane).

Many around here complain about even taking AirPods Max on a place because they "don't fold" ...

(I see APMs on planes all the time, including using them myself onboard)

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

yeah and on an airplane do you really not want to be aware of your surroundings at all? IT's a public place after all. (apologies to the jet set crowd who own private planes. )

What is the concern? Nobody can steal it from you and get away as there's only a few spots to hide at 37K feet. I'm a frequent flyer. Sleep masks are COMMON. Nothing happens to the people not just hiding their eyes from their surroundings but opting to be unconscious while flying too. Sometimes sleep mask people are in headphones or buds too. No consequences. Nothing happens to them. Sometimes sleep mask people in buds or headphones have a huge inflatable donut pillow wrapped around their neck to keep their head upright. Again, no consequences.

Plus carrying around your $3500 setup on the plane? And the battery life is like 2.5 hrs max. It seems like a hassle.

People carry sizable carry-ons on every plane, often with another bag loaded full to stuff under the seat in front of them. That bag is usually full of various kinds of tech. Vpro could just be another bit of tech in a bag like that.

As to 2.5 hours of battery, buy & bring an extra battery or two. I lived on a couple of batteries for flights for years with the old Powerbook G4. No problems. No consequences. Just switch to a new battery when he existing one is running down. Or plug into power when it is available at the seat.

Although maybe if that's your laptop too...but then do you leave your laptop at home? Or does one just end up bringing yet another gadget?

For me, I'll be bringing BOTH MB and Vpro if I buy Vpro. Vpro will be the super-sized monitor while I use the MB's Mac horses for work during flights. For others who may not need full Mac apps and/or get by just fine with iPad-level apps, maybe they carry only Vpro with a spare battery(s) and maybe a roll-up/un-folding or unfolding with trackpad bluetooth keyboard if they want to type a lot of stuff on a real keyboard.

In the longer run, I'm hoping I can buy a lid-damaged MB, remove the lid, leaving only the bottom (Mac) part (keyboard and trackpad) with Vpro being its monitor. This already works just fine by attaching the bottom of a lidless MB to a regular monitor and I'd love it if it could work the same way with Vpro.

So many on these forums cried about having to carry both a USB-C and Lightning cable around. I don't think they could handle carrying an expensive bulky headset with them too.

Dongles & cables are carried because someone MAY need them but can't know they will need all of them on any given trip. Frustration is at carrying a bunch of "maybe need" stuff. Those opting to use some combination of MB and Vpro know they will be using both together. It's a very different proposition.

However, those concerned with minimal weight/load will probably NOT buy Vpro to use with a MB and instead carry only the MB itself and use its 14" or 16" screen.

 

[Crow_Servo]

Curious about the IMAX app. Currently, the IMAX app for iPhone is just for checking movie times or buying IMAX merch. Not for watching movies through the app itself. I’m wondering if the Vision Pro app will be for actually watching IMAX content. I know Disney+ has IMAX Enhanced content and so does the Sony Core app (found on Sony TVs and the PlayStation).

I imagine for the Vision Pro versions of these streaming apps, you’ll need the highest tier of subscription to get the full-quality experience. So if you’re not on the 4K tier, you’re probably not on the Vision Pro 4K 3D tier either (luckily Apple TV+ is just one quality tier for everyone, and I think Peacock & Paramount+ might be this way too). Just something to factor into the equation.

Most people who buy this device will understand that $3,499 isn’t the only expense involved here. I know this all-too-well with my gaming console purchases. The device purchase is just the beginning, but how expensive it becomes is all based on the user’s wants/needs. For movie fans that collect through iTunes, this is going to be quite a treat with all free 3D upgrades.

 

[jo-1]

My attention to the TV is 10 minutes ...

Thanks, not for me.... For now...

See - it's different for everyone - I can spend hours on end cooking, cycling, driving, discussions with friends, drinking wine with my spouse and/or listening to music searching for the perfect harmony or expression of the artist - elaborating hours on end the best setup for my stereo or watching the entire Lord of the Rings Extended Version in one go or listening to Wagner Ring - ( best with Waltraud Meier )

 

[trip1ex]

What is the concern? Nobody can steal it from you and get away as there's only a few spots to hide at 37K feet. I'm a frequent flyer. Sleep masks are COMMON. Nothing happens to the people not just hiding their eyes from their surroundings but opting to be unconscious while flying too. Sometimes sleep mask people are in headphones or buds too. No consequences. Nothing happens to them. Sometimes sleep mask people in buds or headphones have a huge inflatable donut pillow wrapped around their neck to keep their head upright. Again, no consequences.



People carry sizable carry-ons on every plane, often with another bag loaded full to stuff under the seat in front of them. That bag is usually full of various kinds of tech. Vpro could just be another bit of tech in a bag like that.

As to 2.5 hours of battery, buy & bring an extra battery or two. I lived on a couple of batteries for flights for years with the old Powerbook G4. No problems. No consequences. Just switch to a new battery when he existing one is running down. Or plug into power when it is available at the seat.



For me, I'll be bringing BOTH MB and Vpro if I buy Vpro. Vpro will be the super-sized monitor while I use the MB's Mac horses for work during flights. For others who may not need full Mac apps and/or get by just fine with iPad-level apps, maybe they carry only Vpro with a spare battery(s) and maybe a roll-up/un-folding or unfolding with trackpad bluetooth keyboard if they want to type a lot of stuff on a real keyboard.

In the longer run, I'm hoping I can buy a lid-damaged MB, remove the lid, leaving only the bottom (Mac) part (keyboard and trackpad) with Vpro being its monitor. This already works just fine by attaching the bottom of a lidless MB to a regular monitor and I'd love it if it could work the same way with Vpro.



Dongles & cables are carried because someone MAY need them but can't know they will need all of them on any given trip. Frustration is at carrying a bunch of "maybe need" stuff. Those opting to use some combination of MB and Vpro know they will be using both together. It's a very different proposition.

However, those concerned with minimal weight/load will probably NOT buy Vpro to use with a MB and instead carry only the MB itself and use its 14" or 16" screen.

good point about sleeping. people do do that already on planes. so probably not much different than using this. Not worried about it being stolen while on the face. lol. Just about other things you might have with you and that general feeling of being unaware in a public place.

I'm glad you're looking forward to carrying your MB and an AVP on a plane. And bringing extra battery packs to boot. It's not on my bucket list. And I suspect not high on very many others.

I think there is a world of difference between carrying an AVP on a plane vs throwing a Lightning cable into your backpack along with your USBC cable because your iPhone or whatever is still on Lightning. The extra cable takes up no extra room and is absolutely needed in my example and is ~$20.


I don't disagree that you can buy an AVP and watch it on a plane. I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else that they can't do it.

I just think it's a nothing burger of a use case overall. Price, hassle, lack of flying for most, and also just plain lack of need/interest/priority even for those who do fly more often...

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

good point about sleeping. people do do that already on planes. so probably not much different than using this. Not worried it being stolen while on the face. lol. Just about other things you might have with you and that general feeling of being unaware in a public place.

If I felt insecure about what might happen to other things, I can easily reduce the "immersion" so I can somewhat see through whatever I'm doing/watching. I've carried many valuable things onto many planes over many years. In a good bag at one's feet, put a foot on top and you'll feel anyone touching the bag. If it slightly moves, you'll notice like when a fish taps a bait on a hook in the water.

And if I'm suspicious someone may be trying to steal something from me, I may turn on the cameras to capture the attempt in the act... and then present hard evidence if needed.

I'm glad you're looking forward to carrying your MB and an AVP on a plane. And bringing extra battery packs to boot. It's not on my bucket list. And I suspect not high on very many others.

That's OK. Through your many posts in many threads, Vpro very much does not seem to be a product for you. I'll guess that you have an iPhone. You might have an Apple Watch on your arm right now. I consider myself an Apple "everything" guy but I don't have either of those products. I like traditional watches and I use a cellular iPad mini with buds + VOIP app for all my telephony & texting needs. I'm perfectly happy with NOT owning an iPhone or Watch. You can be perfectly happy with NOT owning a Vpro if you like.

Yeah I think there is a world of difference between carrying an AVP on a plane vs throwing a Lightning cable into your backpack along with your USBC cable because your iPhone or whatever is still on Lightning. The extra cable takes up no extra room and is absolutely needed in my example and is ~$20.

Again, to each his own. You seem to narrow in on points to continue to rationalize not owning one. You feel whatever you feel. If you know this is not for you, why even bother hanging out in threads about this product? I own no iPhone and no Watch and I generally spend towards zero time in threads for either of those products.

Others will feel however they feel about this product. If they want one and you do not, neither of you is right or wrong... just choosing whatever is best for yourselves... as you each see it.

Your points basically amount to you can do if you really want to. And I don't disagree. You can buy an AVP and watch it on a plane. But I'm trying to convince you or anybody that they can't do it.

I'm just pointing out the hassles of doing such a thing. And that's before we get back to the post I replied to which in so many words said the use case for using it on a plane is basically nothing burger at the end of the day.

To this "hassle," I'll fully agree. I do NOT want another thing in the bag. I do NOT want to have to buy and carry extra battery packs. I don't want to spend $3500 for a part-time use device that- for me anyway- will mostly be a stand-in for a laptop monitor. Etc. There is CERTAINLY hassle in owning and using it as I think I will.

However, what I want more than the burdens is a super-sized laptop screen while flying. So I'll put up with the hassles for that big benefit as I (think) I see it. It is quite frustrating to try to do my work on a 16" or smaller screen for what is sometimes 5-10 hours on planes. My desktop provides a 40" ultra-wide and I feel super-productive on that size of screen. I'm hoping this will basically allow me to summon something like that in all of my travel scenarios when I want to get laptop work done. For that, I'll roll with the very real hassles & negatives... and probably part with $3500 mostly for this to do ONLY that one thing.

 

[MacAddict1978]

They’re not interested in 3D content, apparently: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/23/23804704/netflix-vision-pro-native-app-apple-ios-ipad-os

In fairness, Disney is probably the only one that really did anything custom due to their relationship with Apple, and everyone else is probably just a port of their iPad apps. And really only the studio owned streaming services would have 3D versions to they could put up to stream.

I actually enjoyed my 3D tv when that was a thing - I really think the Vision Pro is going to be amazing for 3D content - the reviews on that were ver positive. It's more an issue with no one filming for 3D and all the crap conversions to 3D- but it does also give life to those that die a quiet death after a theatrical run ends.

 

[trip1ex]

If I felt insecure about what might happen to other things, I can easily reduce the "immersion" so I can somewhat see through whatever I'm doing/watching. I've carried many valuable things onto many planes over many years. In a good bag at one's feet, put a foot on top and you'll feel anyone touching the bag. If it slightly moves, you'll notice like when a fish taps a bait on a hook in the water.

And if I'm suspicious someone may be trying to steal something from me, I may turn on the cameras to capture the attempt in the act... and then present hard evidence if needed.



That's OK. Through your many posts in many threads, Vpro very much does not seem to be a product for you. I'll guess that you have an iPhone. You might have an Apple Watch on your arm right now. I consider myself an Apple "everything" guy but I don't have either of those products. I like traditional watches and I use a cellular iPad mini with buds + VOIP app for all my telephony & texting needs. I'm perfectly happy with NOT owning an iPhone or Watch. You can be perfectly happy with NOT owning a Vpro if you like.



Again, to each his own. You seem to narrow in on points to continue to rationalize not owning one. You feel whatever you feel. If you know this is not for you, why even bother hanging out in threads about this product? I own no iPhone and no Watch and I generally spend towards zero time in threads for either of those products.

Others will feel however they feel about this product. If they want one and you do not, neither of you is right or wrong... just choosing whatever is best for yourselves... as you each see it.



To this "hassle," I'll fully agree. I do NOT want another thing in the bag. I do NOT want to have to buy and carry extra battery packs. I don't want to spend $3500 for a part-time use device that- for me anyway- will mostly be a stand-in for a laptop monitor. Etc. There is CERTAINLY hassle in owning and using it as I think I will.

However, what I want more than the burdens is a super-sized laptop screen while flying. So I'll put up with the hassles for that big benefit as I (think) I see it. It is quite frustrating to try to do my work on a 16" or smaller screen for what is sometimes 5-10 hours on planes. My desktop provides a 40" ultra-wide and I feel super-productive on that size of screen. I'm hoping this will basically allow me to summon something like that in all of my travel scenarios when I want to get laptop work done. For that, I'll roll with the very real hassles & negatives... and probably part with $3500 mostly for this to do ONLY that one thing.

Well feel free to not reply to me if you don't want to discuss how the product will do in the marketplace. That's what I like doing whether I am going to buy the product or not. IT's a bit of game for me. Entertainment. IT's a job for me too. Especially fun at new product launch time. Especially for Apple given I have owned stock since 2000. And my interest in the product may or may not align with my opinion of how it will do in the marketplace.

You may like sharing your idiosyncratic use cases but that bores me for the most part. I'm looking for patterns sort to speak. Not whether Joe Blow uses his iPad mini as a coke mirror. Not whether someone is going to find an old MB and rip the top off to meld with the AVP. That's the opposite of what I'm interested in generally speaking.

Or at least (or maybe I should say) I'm not interested in replying to those things. Unless to point out that said use case seems very idiosyncratic. I do like reading people's posts generally speaking. Once in a while there is a nugget in there.

 

[gomichaelgo]

A big ticket concert would be really cool. The Taylor or Bey one recorded for this woulda been fun.

 

[RemedyRabbit]

My attention to the TV is 10 minutes, then grab the phone and continue watching the TV. Repeat. This device will require 100% attention uninterrupted.
Bathroom pause?,remove it or take it with you.
Watch a movie and hear what the kids/wife/dog are doing or calling me?, not a chance.
Got a WhatsApp message in your phone and missed it for 2 hours?, yeap.
Share a movie with the family?, forget it.
But the worst is that most streaming services will have ads soon, so I will be captive to watch ads?.

Thanks, not for me.... For now...

This gets right to the heart of the issue with VR. People have busy lives and crave convenience, but VR is by far the least convenient and most antisocial screen based tech there is. Sure it’s hugely immersive, but pretty much everything you might need do on a screen is easier to do with a 2D device by virtue of not needing to strap something to your head and line it up correctly.

The VR element is not gonna make this product a success, so they really need to hope the AR side very strong indeed. But even then, what’s a compelling AR use case for the mass market that warrants attaching a computer to your face and looking at your environment through cameras and screens, in lower fidelity than actual reality? Can’t imagine there’s anything day to day.

Would love to be proven wrong as I think the tech itself is very cool, but I can see this quietly going away within 5 years. VR is not the next big thing. In fact it’s only really happening at all because all the kids in the 80s and 90s who dreamt of one day having VR are now working in tech and can make it a reality. It’s almost a nostalgia thing in a way. But it’s not the 80s now and we all have ginormous 4k TVs smartphones and super powerful laptops to meet our computing and entertainment needs.

 

[ke-iron]

Netflix notably absent?

I don’t think the heads of Netflix likes Apple at all. Their app is probably the only app that do not integrate with the Apple TV app on the Apple TV, which I find supremely annoying.

 

[ErikGrim]

I know all of these exist, I am looking forward to what app developers have created over the past 6 months or so, haven't heard a word about that ...

Do you think it only takes 6 months to develop an app, let alone an AR capable productivity app?

 

[jo-1]

I don’t think the heads of Netflix likes Apple at all. Their app is probably the only app that do not integrate with the Apple TV app on the Apple TV, which I find supremely annoying.

It is obvious that Netflix and Apple don't go well together. On the MAC there is no APP thus you'll need to watch in the browser and on the iPad or iPhone I can't just do screen screen sharing like with other devices - let alone transfer the stream to the ATV.

On the other hand side it was easy to quit Netflix for their behavior like it is with car makers that don't blend well into the Apple Eco System for me.

I have an easy view on things - in case it is to a lesser degree compatible with Apple I might pick a product that is better and easier to integrate.

The AVP might be too small of a market for Netflix yet and that's o.k. - I ceased the membership half a year ago and I am not miss anything.

 

[Harry Haller]

After all the fuss...

It's basically just going to be an expensive content viewer, isn't it?

Maybe not for content creators.
For me it will be a tool for Blender, photogrammetry and Unreal Engine, amongst others.

 

[jo-1]

Maybe not for content creators.
For me it will be a tool for Blender, photogrammetry and Unreal Engine, amongst others.

And for me it’ll be either a productivity tool with FCP, LRC ( both when traveling ) and for Pivot tables when I don’t have access to a big screen. Needless to say that devices with displays of any kind call all be used for media consumption.

 

[svish]

Looks like there will be no shortage of content!