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I think you'll find that most carriers here use a combination of GSM, EDGE and UMTS on the same device. While on the train today my phone went out of 3g coverage and switched to GSM, I ended up checking for updates on macrumors via EDGE.
Clarify and update my earlier posts for some out there....
OK.
I have now had a good 6 hours or so to absorb everything that transpired today and play around on Apple's website now that traffic has reached an equilibrium.
I stand by my earlier beliefs that this is a neat gadget. After seeing all the mini movies in the iPhone section I have to say that I am VERY impressed.
But after letting my head cool a bit I have realized that I am not mad at Apple for bringing out the iPhone today. I am mad at them for ONLY bringing out the iPhone today.
The new Airport Extreme should have been mentioned right along with the Appletv. There are some great little features to that globally useful piece of technology, like the HD sharing.... That is awesome.
The fact that Steve spent over an hour on demonstrating the iPhone and then the "AOP" was a bit much to take. (*AOP=@ssholes On Parade) (If I wanted to hear a Cingular commercial I would just watch my evening news.)
I was hoping that this MACworld was going to be something special. Not talk about 2 products and then walk out. The iPhone could have easily been parred down to 30 minutes and then the Appletv+APEXT could have been another 30 minutes. That would have left the last hour for "One More Thing..." MAC-related.
To those who say that the iPhone is a Mac because it runs OS X. Blow it out your arses.
Because a Mac can run Windows XP, that makes it a PC? People have been brutally murdered for saying such about a Mac.
My buddy, who is a PC network installer, installed a bootleg version of OS X on a PC last year. Does that make that beige POS a Mac?
Don't make me laugh.
A Mac is a Mac for a reason much grander than because "it runs OS X".
So am I glad Apple came out with the iPhone??? Yes, yes I am. I like it. It's way too expensive mind you but alright.
Do I think some on here are blind little sheep? Yes I do.
My belief is that if it wasn't for us, the few people who have criticized the iPhone today and other things over the past decades, Apple wouldn't be where it is today. You don't get to perfection by everyone around you telling you that you are perfect.
OK.
I have now had a good 6 hours or so to absorb everything that transpired today and play around on Apple's website now that traffic has reached an equilibrium.
I stand by my earlier beliefs that this is a neat gadget. After seeing all the mini movies in the iPhone section I have to say that I am VERY impressed.
But after letting my head cool a bit I have realized that I am not mad at Apple for bringing out the iPhone today. I am mad at them for ONLY bringing out the iPhone today.
The new Airport Extreme should have been mentioned right along with the Appletv. There are some great little features to that globally useful piece of technology, like the HD sharing.... That is awesome.
The fact that Steve spent over an hour on demonstrating the iPhone and then the "AOP" was a bit much to take. (*AOP=@ssholes On Parade) (If I wanted to hear a Cingular commercial I would just watch my evening news.)
I was hoping that this MACworld was going to be something special. Not talk about 2 products and then walk out. The iPhone could have easily been parred down to 30 minutes and then the Appletv+APEXT could have been another 30 minutes. That would have left the last hour for "One More Thing..." MAC-related.
To those who say that the iPhone is a Mac because it runs OS X. Blow it out your arses.
Because a Mac can run Windows XP, that makes it a PC? People have been brutally murdered for saying such about a Mac.
My buddy, who is a PC network installer, installed a bootleg version of OS X on a PC last year. Does that make that beige POS a Mac?
Don't make me laugh.
A Mac is a Mac for a reason much grander than because "it runs OS X".
So am I glad Apple came out with the iPhone??? Yes, yes I am. I like it. It's way too expensive mind you but alright.
Do I think some on here are blind little sheep? Yes I do.
My belief is that if it wasn't for us, the few people who have criticized the iPhone today and other things over the past decades, Apple wouldn't be where it is today. You don't get to perfection by everyone around you telling you that you are perfect.
We'll see how the marketing side of it will work, especially in Europe. I think Apple are being too cautious by launching in the US alone for the first few months.
Still, it amuses me that people rush to make comments here without knowing particular details - so far we know only the technical side of the iphone, and that only roughly. And then there's those guys who wanted to see a tablet mac or even worse a mac pro in the form of a mobile phone. Whatever.
This phone changes e v e r y t h i n g, and forever. If you doubt this, just have another look at your phone now.
Still, it amuses me that people rush to make comments here without knowing particular details - so far we know only the technical side of the iphone, and that only roughly. And then there's those guys who wanted to see a tablet mac or even worse a mac pro in the form of a mobile phone. Whatever.
This phone changes e v e r y t h i n g, and forever. If you doubt this, just have another look at your phone now.
I honestly don't understand all the whining...
I own and carry daily a RAZR ($100), a LifeDrive ($320), and an iPod Nano ($189). Both the LifeDrive and the Nano have 4gigs of storage each. Total was $608 for the bunch, and I've been on somebody's cell phone contract more or less continuously since 1995...
The Lifedrive is two years old and HUGE, but actually has enough onboard storage to handle e-mail properly, and with WiFi, it's not a terrible laptop replacement in a pinch. UI is the same as my 1998 Palm III, doesn't multitask, crashes all the time, etc.
The RAZR is two years old, cute and little, has good RF performance, and is dismal to use for e-mail, chat, SMS, and even most phone functions. It has a .3 megapixel camera. It's an OK phone in a great package.
The iPod Nano - about a year and a half old, is by far the best product of the 3 - great size, great UI, does its job perfectly.
So, I have the opportunity to replace all three devices with a single Apple-designed, absolute cutting edge device that does all three of these jobs well (judging from the demos - I'm sure there's bumps in the road), for the EXACT SAME PRICE as my existing package of products ($599 vs. $608), with the only new cost moving from my limited data plan to an unlimited one ($30/month increase - ouch!).
While I'd love it to be a little cheaper, the pricing is right in line with existing 'smartphones' when compared feature for feature.
For the folks who say it's 'limited' - I don't think there's another phone out there with a similar feature set - Cingular 8525 has similar specs, but isn't a great tool, Blackjack, Blackberry, MotoQ, etc. don't even come close, and many have price tags in the $400 range.
I'm sympathetic for those who don't want Cingular, but many phones these days launch exclusive with a provider, for very good reasons. Cingular's got issues in some locations, but they've also got the most service, the most places, and EDGE has the widest roll-out of any data plan. 3G is awful nice, but very limited availability in terms of coverage, and 3G devices suck power like there's no tomorrow - many have data use times of under 2 hours. Nothing is perfect, but a Cingular launch with EDGE seems like a good mix of wide availability, speed and power use...
I'm not sure the iPhone is perfect, but I'm pretty clear that it's in a great market position (granted, at the very top end), and will be the innovation driver for a generation of phones.
Similarly, I think we can reasonably expect an iPhone 'nano' with a stripped-down feature set someday.
I think the lack of 'Mac' at today's keynote was just a way to make the point that the Mac is simply one product line of Apple, Inc. We'll see the widescreeen 'video' iPod and various other announcements over the next couple months...
Finally, as for Leopard, I think we all saw plenty of it shown today... on the iPhone. Perhaps a 'mobile' version, but I think the look and interface is what we should be expecting from Leopard.
All that said, I may be overcompensating, since I was one of the folks who said that the iPod was a pointless device for music fanatics, and anticipated that Apple might sell 10,000 of them over the product's lifetime, if they were lucky. You should weight my opinion accordingly.
FWIW, that's exactly what I think of the iTV - all it does is move iTunes content to yer TV. I don't have any iTunes content I want to send to my TV... Hard to imagine a device that appeals less. Now, add TiVo functionality that works with Comcast and lets me replace their stone-age Microsoft DVR-thing, and I'll whip out the credit card so fast the numbers will burn off...
I own and carry daily a RAZR ($100), a LifeDrive ($320), and an iPod Nano ($189). Both the LifeDrive and the Nano have 4gigs of storage each. Total was $608 for the bunch, and I've been on somebody's cell phone contract more or less continuously since 1995...
The Lifedrive is two years old and HUGE, but actually has enough onboard storage to handle e-mail properly, and with WiFi, it's not a terrible laptop replacement in a pinch. UI is the same as my 1998 Palm III, doesn't multitask, crashes all the time, etc.
The RAZR is two years old, cute and little, has good RF performance, and is dismal to use for e-mail, chat, SMS, and even most phone functions. It has a .3 megapixel camera. It's an OK phone in a great package.
The iPod Nano - about a year and a half old, is by far the best product of the 3 - great size, great UI, does its job perfectly.
So, I have the opportunity to replace all three devices with a single Apple-designed, absolute cutting edge device that does all three of these jobs well (judging from the demos - I'm sure there's bumps in the road), for the EXACT SAME PRICE as my existing package of products ($599 vs. $608), with the only new cost moving from my limited data plan to an unlimited one ($30/month increase - ouch!).
While I'd love it to be a little cheaper, the pricing is right in line with existing 'smartphones' when compared feature for feature.
For the folks who say it's 'limited' - I don't think there's another phone out there with a similar feature set - Cingular 8525 has similar specs, but isn't a great tool, Blackjack, Blackberry, MotoQ, etc. don't even come close, and many have price tags in the $400 range.
I'm sympathetic for those who don't want Cingular, but many phones these days launch exclusive with a provider, for very good reasons. Cingular's got issues in some locations, but they've also got the most service, the most places, and EDGE has the widest roll-out of any data plan. 3G is awful nice, but very limited availability in terms of coverage, and 3G devices suck power like there's no tomorrow - many have data use times of under 2 hours. Nothing is perfect, but a Cingular launch with EDGE seems like a good mix of wide availability, speed and power use...
I'm not sure the iPhone is perfect, but I'm pretty clear that it's in a great market position (granted, at the very top end), and will be the innovation driver for a generation of phones.
Similarly, I think we can reasonably expect an iPhone 'nano' with a stripped-down feature set someday.
I think the lack of 'Mac' at today's keynote was just a way to make the point that the Mac is simply one product line of Apple, Inc. We'll see the widescreeen 'video' iPod and various other announcements over the next couple months...
Finally, as for Leopard, I think we all saw plenty of it shown today... on the iPhone. Perhaps a 'mobile' version, but I think the look and interface is what we should be expecting from Leopard.
All that said, I may be overcompensating, since I was one of the folks who said that the iPod was a pointless device for music fanatics, and anticipated that Apple might sell 10,000 of them over the product's lifetime, if they were lucky. You should weight my opinion accordingly.
FWIW, that's exactly what I think of the iTV - all it does is move iTunes content to yer TV. I don't have any iTunes content I want to send to my TV... Hard to imagine a device that appeals less. Now, add TiVo functionality that works with Comcast and lets me replace their stone-age Microsoft DVR-thing, and I'll whip out the credit card so fast the numbers will burn off...
It looks great, but I want the answer to one question:
Apple's been a computer hardware/software designer for most of its 30+ years. The only radio design experience they have to date are in unlicensed, low-power applications, i.e., 802.11 and Bluetooth (where they admittedly have been pretty successful). Cell phones, on the other hand, have to adhere to a slew of government & industry regulations, and carrier requirements for internetwork operation. You think each of the cell phone carriers' networks are homogeneous? They're not, especially in North America, with all the different base station hardware, software, and network applications tying together systems that have grown in patchwork fashion through acquisitions and roaming agreements over the past two decades. Motorola gets hit all the time for their crappy UI, for example, but their phones generally operate well as radios because they have a lot of experience designing radios that operate in highly regulated, heterogeneous environments. Same for Nokia, Sony-Ericsson, LG, Samsung, et al, to varying degrees.
And that two month FCC testing period? That's how long it takes only if the iPhone passes on the very first submission. Keep your fingers crossed.
This thing may be a hell of a portable network and media device, but how well can it actually hold a phone call without dropping it?
How well does it actually perform as a cell phone?
Apple's been a computer hardware/software designer for most of its 30+ years. The only radio design experience they have to date are in unlicensed, low-power applications, i.e., 802.11 and Bluetooth (where they admittedly have been pretty successful). Cell phones, on the other hand, have to adhere to a slew of government & industry regulations, and carrier requirements for internetwork operation. You think each of the cell phone carriers' networks are homogeneous? They're not, especially in North America, with all the different base station hardware, software, and network applications tying together systems that have grown in patchwork fashion through acquisitions and roaming agreements over the past two decades. Motorola gets hit all the time for their crappy UI, for example, but their phones generally operate well as radios because they have a lot of experience designing radios that operate in highly regulated, heterogeneous environments. Same for Nokia, Sony-Ericsson, LG, Samsung, et al, to varying degrees.
And that two month FCC testing period? That's how long it takes only if the iPhone passes on the very first submission. Keep your fingers crossed.
This thing may be a hell of a portable network and media device, but how well can it actually hold a phone call without dropping it?
Tie-in to Cingular was the biggest downside. I am a customer of theirs, and boy do they suck something fierce.
But I am buying two of these--one for me, one for my wife. Bottom line is it is going to be the best cell phone on the market by a long shot...
But I am buying two of these--one for me, one for my wife. Bottom line is it is going to be the best cell phone on the market by a long shot...
Most phones are GSM / UMTS now so it do, so you get best of both worlds.
UMTS / HSDPA should be out all over US and Canada by the end of 2007 hopefully.
I do not mind waiting another year for a phone, does not bother me. Was going to get the Nokia N95. Seeing what the Apple iPhone can do, I will get that, but I will wait for the second iPhone to come out
better be unlocked though, if not I hope Apple works with Rogers/Fido here in Canada.Unlocking the iPhone
I haven't read the entire thread, so if this is a repost, forgive me.
After reading the first two pages I read unlocked waay too many times and in frustration i'm posting without reading the rest of the thread.
Cingular DOES NOT lock its handsets!
Therefore, if you have t-mo, live in Canada (Rogers/Fido)...or even South Africa, you can get this phone and use it on your own network.
I haven't read the entire thread, so if this is a repost, forgive me.
After reading the first two pages I read unlocked waay too many times and in frustration i'm posting without reading the rest of the thread.
Cingular DOES NOT lock its handsets!
Therefore, if you have t-mo, live in Canada (Rogers/Fido)...or even South Africa, you can get this phone and use it on your own network.
Was the iPhone demo fake?
Did you notice every time he showed the orientation change, the camera cut away from his 'over the shoulder' cam?
Except on one occasion (when he was showing The Office) when the big screen changed orientation before he turned his iPhone! It might well explain why all the devices are still in the glass cases!
Did you notice every time he showed the orientation change, the camera cut away from his 'over the shoulder' cam?
Except on one occasion (when he was showing The Office) when the big screen changed orientation before he turned his iPhone! It might well explain why all the devices are still in the glass cases!
Thats nice too know they dont lock the handset. Thing is, from what I read pretty much only way you can get the phone you pay the amount and sign a two-year contract (from cingular), hopefully wont be the same from the Apple Store (website)
Plus we all know, sooner or later the net iPhone should/will have iChat AV.
We finally get a successor to the Newton...
And people complain!
I can understand some of the complaints, but price? I paid $800 for my Newton, and it had a black and white (or was is it green and white?) screen and didn't include a music player or cell phone.
Palm's LifeDrive was originally released at $500, and it was a clunky piece of crap running an operating system that is going nowhere (and this is coming from a long time Palm fan)... and it didn't include a cell phone, either.
I do have reservations about the size of the flash drive... 8 GB isn't nearly enough for the things I'd like to do with the machine... and there are a lot of questions I'd like answered. How limited is the OS? Will it be able to run standard Mac apps, with or without a little tweaking? Can developers create their own widgets? Does it support Applescript and Xcode?
But the price is reasonable, considering what the device is.
And people complain!
I can understand some of the complaints, but price? I paid $800 for my Newton, and it had a black and white (or was is it green and white?) screen and didn't include a music player or cell phone.
Palm's LifeDrive was originally released at $500, and it was a clunky piece of crap running an operating system that is going nowhere (and this is coming from a long time Palm fan)... and it didn't include a cell phone, either.
I do have reservations about the size of the flash drive... 8 GB isn't nearly enough for the things I'd like to do with the machine... and there are a lot of questions I'd like answered. How limited is the OS? Will it be able to run standard Mac apps, with or without a little tweaking? Can developers create their own widgets? Does it support Applescript and Xcode?
But the price is reasonable, considering what the device is.
I would buy iPod with the same abilities as iPhone except the phone for 499.
But, a phone is a phone.
Many cellphone makers experimented with touch screens.
Phone should be rugged.
I don't know about this product.
if this was 6th gen iPod, i'd be thrilled.
But, a phone is a phone.
Many cellphone makers experimented with touch screens.
Phone should be rugged.
I don't know about this product.
if this was 6th gen iPod, i'd be thrilled.
Yes, Cingular sucks.
But Verizon is notorious for crippling phones and insisting on their OS. Plus, no GSM is terrible.
No Cingular does lock there phones, though after you buy the phone and agree to the two year contract you can unlock the phone. It takes them a week to unlock it and then you can replace the SIM card with another one of any carrier or even one abroad. I have done this before for a trip to Hong Kong I had some friends who gave me a SIM card and i could use it in my unlocked cingular bought phone. Though you still have to pay the monthly bill as you are in a 2 year contract.. so how desperate are you...
According to Reuters, a suit from Cingular says the deal is "multi-year and exclusive."
That's the coolest spelling of the word "function" I have EVER seen.
Imho
- To keep the device from fingerprints, there are always screen protectors
- Apple should get discount from cingular on a 2yr contract and get it in the 299-399 range
- 4GB/8GB should get bumped by the time phone gets released
- May need to get accident protection for the device from some insurance company
- Camera should have been those rotating from back to front to support any future apps for the phone like video chat
- To keep the device from fingerprints, there are always screen protectors
- Apple should get discount from cingular on a 2yr contract and get it in the 299-399 range
- 4GB/8GB should get bumped by the time phone gets released
- May need to get accident protection for the device from some insurance company
- Camera should have been those rotating from back to front to support any future apps for the phone like video chat
other providers / combo devices
I think all mobile providers, at least in the US, are liars and really don't deliver what they advertise. Two year service agreements shouldn't be required. I would be willing to pay a little extra to not have to commit to service that is rarely up to the marketing. I've dealt with Cingular and they can't seem to tell the truth about anything. Make iPhone work with other providers and I would perhaps consider it. Otherwise, never.
I have a mobile phone and an iPod. If my iPod fails, I'm out $300. If my phone fails, I'm out less than $200. If any component of my iPhone were to fail, I'd be out at least $499. Why would I pay for a combination device that would be more expensive to replace, if any one component were to fail, than the individual device? That seems illogical to me.
When I want music, I use my iPod. When I want to make a call, I use my phone. When I want to check my email, I use a computer. It's very simple. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind about any of this.
I think all mobile providers, at least in the US, are liars and really don't deliver what they advertise. Two year service agreements shouldn't be required. I would be willing to pay a little extra to not have to commit to service that is rarely up to the marketing. I've dealt with Cingular and they can't seem to tell the truth about anything. Make iPhone work with other providers and I would perhaps consider it. Otherwise, never.
I have a mobile phone and an iPod. If my iPod fails, I'm out $300. If my phone fails, I'm out less than $200. If any component of my iPhone were to fail, I'd be out at least $499. Why would I pay for a combination device that would be more expensive to replace, if any one component were to fail, than the individual device? That seems illogical to me.
When I want music, I use my iPod. When I want to make a call, I use my phone. When I want to check my email, I use a computer. It's very simple. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind about any of this.
To be honest, most people i know (and they're all geeks) don't really care that much about 3G. It hasn't really taken off, its just a driver for Vodafone or O2 to deliver "value added content" such as mp3 or football highlights.
What will bother them and me is a device that impedes the user's ability to text. On average i'll send about 20 to 30 texts a day, and thats considered very light usage.
It is the primary form of communication (non business of course) amongst nearly everybody. Texting on a touch screen seems like a chore to be honest and a deal-breaker for me.
What will bother them and me is a device that impedes the user's ability to text. On average i'll send about 20 to 30 texts a day, and thats considered very light usage.
It is the primary form of communication (non business of course) amongst nearly everybody. Texting on a touch screen seems like a chore to be honest and a deal-breaker for me.
No way in hell I will buy this thing.
First, at that price this thing needs to make me money and for what I do I don't see that happening.
Second, if these things are as unreliable as iPods (based on everyone I know and thier iPods' track records... I know it's a small population sample) then I feel sorry for people that need to use thier phone on a daily basis. Imagine when the thing breaks! Unless there is some kind of program from Cingular where they immediately supply one with a new phone in the event of equipment failure you will be without a phone as you ship it off to Apple for repair. And from my experience, trying to get an iPod reparied or replaced is a major pain in the arse!
Third, I think that there always dangers in all-in-one devices. There are simply more things that can go wrong. And since this iPhone will be a 1st generation device AND an all-in-one device then the danger is two fold in my eyes.
All that being said, it really is an awesome device and really is a great technological leap as far as the consumer goes. I am impressed. But this iPhone is for suckers.
First, at that price this thing needs to make me money and for what I do I don't see that happening.
Second, if these things are as unreliable as iPods (based on everyone I know and thier iPods' track records... I know it's a small population sample) then I feel sorry for people that need to use thier phone on a daily basis. Imagine when the thing breaks! Unless there is some kind of program from Cingular where they immediately supply one with a new phone in the event of equipment failure you will be without a phone as you ship it off to Apple for repair. And from my experience, trying to get an iPod reparied or replaced is a major pain in the arse!
Third, I think that there always dangers in all-in-one devices. There are simply more things that can go wrong. And since this iPhone will be a 1st generation device AND an all-in-one device then the danger is two fold in my eyes.
All that being said, it really is an awesome device and really is a great technological leap as far as the consumer goes. I am impressed. But this iPhone is for suckers.
Incorrect. They are unlocked when you leave the store. From what the store manager (Cingular store, not Cingular branded) said when I bought my phone is that this is across the board for all tri-band+ phones. They do that so you can use your phone abroad without worries. The contract length is insignificant because they recoup their subsidy with a termination fee.
Also, I read the keynote where they said that the price includes a 2 year contract to mean that the data services were free for two years. Not sure about the voice plan. I would guess not here, or if so an almost platry amount of minutes that would include an overage of 0.40 for every minute over. That's where they hope to get people.
Besides, they also said nothing about if you could use your own content for ringtones (even though there was a ringtone tab in the iTunes they showed.......)
Um ok. Most expensive pda in history. $599 with 2yr contract.
In 6 months flash memory will be so cheap. 16gb will be the norm where 8gb is now. I predict it gets bumped to 8gb and 16gb by release date.
Artists renditions of the video ipod were nicer, I think.
Not 3g?
Will I buy one, probably.
In 6 months flash memory will be so cheap. 16gb will be the norm where 8gb is now. I predict it gets bumped to 8gb and 16gb by release date.
Artists renditions of the video ipod were nicer, I think.
Not 3g?
Will I buy one, probably.
Dude, chill.
All summer and fall we heard where are the C2D notebooks already, why not at WWDC. Most everybody on this site does is complain and point out what something doesn't have rather than does, or some switcher talking about equal specs for less at dell w/o considering the whole pic. IMHO there are too many kids on MR which is unfortunate. Now obviously Steve was really excited about this. Early on in the keynote he said that is all we are going to say today about the Mac. Which meant no Macs. Now did he have to parade out everyone, he always does to acknowledge the partnerships. The reality is both MBs and MBPs were upgraded in the fall as were iMacs and there are no new chips or design changes to unveil. He could have talked about Leopard more and a date. But Apple historically releases updates and other things in late Jan or Feb or March that are not MWSF announced. Until Santa Rosa and Leopard, that part of their product lineup is unlikely to change. As far as the phone a lot of people will whine about Cingular, Canada, this or that without really grasping how much they packed into it and the tech. Everybody wants something that isn't possible yet and for cheap. They are way ahead and like the iPod revolution, everyone could have one in 4 years. As far as the price, my original 5GB was $399 and the first 20GB was $499. So I wouldn't call those prices outlandish by any stretch. I bought a Nokia 8801 in Nov 2005 for $799 and now with contract they've only dropped to $549. Quality made products with well integrated software are few and far between. The Razr was $499 when it came out, now they are less than $100 but either way they are total crap and Motorola UI is afwul. Their icons, menus, navigation, everything about their phones is worthless. Last year a new Treo 650 ran $499.
i agree 110%. If this were a true IPod, its a no brainer i'd run right out and buy in a second...its a way cool device but i just don't need the phone functionality THAT bad.
To me its just an ipod that 1. you have to pay a monthly service for and 2. must be a cingular customer to use, what good is that? Quality of service in the cell phone industry is regional, anyone that travels can tell you that. In DC, where I am, Verizon is king and Cingular is horrible.
And as for 4 or 8 gig? c'mon, thats a nano!
I whole heartedly agree that this device is revolutionary, the touch screen technology is jaw dropping but apple should offer this as a phone/ipod and a true ipod (without the phone) and offer it in 80 gig or 100 gig flavors for those of us who don't mind keeping phones and ipods seperate.
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