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Any idea of what they are made of? That big screen could take a beating in people's pockets unless it is made of something special. Zirconium?

I asked earlier about the GPS and that seems to not be there.

This is probably one of the biggest downsides to this type of interface.

Without a flip cover or something the screen will get beat to death. Also face oil and fingerprints always make touchscreen devices nasty looking with use. Constantly wiping off the phone leads to more scratches on the screen.

There is also no real tactile feedback and sometimes it makes it difficult to confirm if you touched or didn't touch. But until we actually see this vaporware in our hot little hands who knows how it will actually respond.
 
Yes, correct - some software was missing / not demoed. Looking at the pictures there are plenty of space to place more apps.

If this phone isn't going to be released until June Apple still more more development time for the software side.

iPhone will turn heads and make Symbian rethink their UIs - well, really, Series xx ( Nokia ) and UIQ - the GUI parts.

Even if the iPhone doesn't suceeded, hopefully this will result in better GUIs in phones generally.

There have been people saying that iLife was being delayed do to some dev snags...

Isn't WWDC in June?

I'm betting this thing can be very integrated with Leopard, iLife, iWork and .mac.

They glossed over the features they did show and they didn't even touch on some, like the calendar and the development opportunities.

I bet money that they are holding off for a lot for the impending software releases...

They need to show document viewing (pdf, text docs, etc), Calendar functions, etc. and I bet we see that closer to june.

Plus, it's so close to perfect, thats it's almost like they left some things out just to allow for an upgrade path!

Next version: 3G, iChat/Skype functionality, and they incorporate the camera/pixel screen display technology for the isight.

either way, it's already leaps ahead of the competition in user interface. If the interface truly runs that smooth it's also a huge leap, since symbian and Windows Mobile both seem sluggish to me.

For all those who don't like it, thats cool. Just more for those of us who do at launch. I personally can't wait.

It'll be interesting to look back at this thread in a few years.
 
I would imagine that this phone will have a full suite of peripherals by the time it comes out or shortly there after.

Oh, there are going to be more accessories and toys for this thing than you can imagine, especially since they have six months to come up with them. Apple's going to sell a LOT of these phones, you'll see. It doesn't compete with any of their other products, and there's nothing else like it. Sound familiar?

People that are griping about this haven't a clue. Nothing is perfect, but this little sucker is the right product at the right time and it's design is impeccable. I can't wait to see one in the flesh.
 
um, I wonder what the odds are that it will be released earlier that 5 months?

I'm afraid it is Apple vapor folks. Hate to say it.
 
The question is can we add/edit contact or calendar information on it. Only then it could really compete with PDAs...

that one sounds easy. super shocking if you can't.

other people mentioned the video camera. there was a rumor running around that this magic see-show screen would be able to be a camera, too. nothing like that in the demo so i'm guessing the limits-of-physics "how would in the world would that be able to focus on something" issue was truly insurmountable.

what i want it to do:

1. run a smarter mobile version of filemaker. and from filemaker, i now want a widget builder.

2. bar-code scanning software that can use the camera. (i assume every app will have the right to use the camera.)

3. sync with many apps, through an extensible system like palm's.

4. sync data with my home computer from anywhere, having located the home computer using AIM or something. that screen-sharing gizmo in leopard implies cool things for the phone.

5. replaceable batteries. for a mobile phone this is crucial, if they went the ipod direction, they're joking. "sorry, my battery's running low. can i call you back in 2 hours after i find a place to plug this in and recharge?"

6a. i'm guessing there's no stylus because the sensor resolution is not so hot compared to touch membranes. if that's so, drawing apps and other graphical notations and visualizations are out, as well as many of the cross-referencing features that would make this a newton-child. we'll have to see what some of the third-party geniuses uncover in terms of the cool ways to finger-paint. i guess draw-and-photograph works okay....

6b. if there's a resolution limit on input, a tablet using this technology would need a second input device to allow precise cursor control. haven't seen the keynote video yet -- did he demo text selection or other precise action?

7. in-phone photo editing so i can post cropped image to a blog or web page, from anywhere.

8. GPS. for this much moola, you should know where you are even if you're outside network range.

9. the ability to send people text messages through their nike+ipod gadget. i don't need this, it would just be funny. actually with the accelerometer and network link this thing probably wouldn't need a shoe gadget, except to measure stride.

10. listen to music together by tuning in a stream from your neighbor on the bus, or by grabbing a playlist of songs in a burst then syncing the playback. similarly tv audio could be streamed so teeny-tiny tv (3tv) could be watched together without a headphone splitter. "[share audio]" would be a nice button.

11. dictionary and thesaurus lookup in every app is important to me. i'd like to have a gesture that feeds current selection to another widget-app-thing for processing. contextual menus would be fine. i really like using coverflow to move data screens around, that'd work for this, too, i think.

12a. again, i would love to be able to email somebody a file that was on my home computer, if it's not shut down. if i'm not mistaken, to do this securely without much fuss, encryption keys could be exchanged by phone and computer during sync. when i needed to send or receive something, the phone and computer could decide whether the best option was to have the computer send it directly or to transfer it via the phone.

12b. "there is not enough space on this iphone for the [photo you just took/file you want to download]. send it to idisk instead?"
 
Most people are super blown away by this product, but I'm really surprised by the number of short sighted haters here who are being really vocal complainers over what seem like trivial matters. It seems to me that there are only 2 legitimate gripes that people can have at the moment.

Out of all the complainers I've heard so far, here are the complaints that I see as legitimate, and not just being a whiner.

1) Price. Yes it is more expensive than an iPod or a smart phone separately.

A) But you get so much more in the iPhone than in any other device that of course you're going to pay more. If it were cheap to do the r & d for a product like this then everyone would be doing it. This is a state of the art device in terms of refinement and integration of mobile technologies, of course you're gonna pay more for it. If you want cheap stuff then feel free to buy any of the millions of cheap knock offs of the same old tired crap that's been done in mobiles for years and years.

B) This is the first generation of a new breed of evolved mobile devices, like any other technology, it'll get cheaper as soon as it's not bleeding edge any more.

2) Cingular only.

A) Yup, that sucks, but for a new product they could only choose 1 type of cell technology to develop for if they ever wanted to get it out the door. They probably chose cingular because they uses the same standard technology that the rest of the world uses, where as verizon and sprint don't.

All the other complaints I've hear seem like knit picking.
 
It funny that they didnt event mention that, tho... You would think they would be all over this thing as a PDA killer... Its just too soon to say what this thing will have... BTW.. what about tasks? What about tasks as introduced by SJ at WWDC which is coming in email as part of Leopard....

Did he talk about Leopard? ;)
 
I'll get it... but not until I feel like cingular will be worth it... Hey cingular do you have unlimited text messaging for cheap yet? Sprint and T-Mobile does.
 
Huh? How are they missing the point? It's not as if the device is available without a Cingular contract, not even in phoneless form. And if it was, there wouldn't be these complaints.

That's only in the very short term.

Cingular might have exclusive rights to the "phone" for the next three years, but I'd be shocked if you couldn't purchase one through Apple before 2009. ;)
 
The iPhone moves the smartphone concept a huge, huge step forward--finally, we have the real convergence device (media, computer, communication) that everyone's been talking about but no one, until now, could seem to make.

I could see all kinds of variations on the iPhone--a no phone, hard drive version for those who just want to store and watch a lot of video on the wide screen; a Bluetooth & wi-fi, but no phone version for those whose main interest is using the iPod and computing functions, and getting on-line at home or neighborhood wireless hot spots; and lots of things I can't even think of. It changes the playing field, make no mistake.

One thing I find fascinating--I've been following these boards ever since I got my first-gen iPod. I clearly remember a few months ago that people were SO excited about the multi-touch screen. The idea of being able to flick your finger, or "pinch" a photo, and make things happen, or have the screen change based on the use needed or the orientation of the device, seemed so novel and exciting, like something out of science fiction -- AND IT WAS ONLY PATENT DRAWINGS!!

Now that this screen is really real, hardly anyone has mentioned it. Now THAT'S irony.
 
That's only in the very short term.

Cingular might have exclusive rights to the "phone" for the next three years, but I'd be shocked if you couldn't purchase one through Apple before 2009. ;)

I think u can only buy directly from apple, altho the service is bundled with cingular?
 
Why so many negatives for this?

I'm definitely going to be getting an iPhone. What's even better is that I don't have to switch providers!:D

This makes me wonder when the stand-alone true wide screen video iPod will come out. Maybe the 2007 holiday season?
 
I could see all kinds of variations on the iPhone--a no phone, hard drive version for those who just want to store and watch a lot of video on the wide screen; a Bluetooth & wi-fi, but no phone version for those whose main interest is using the iPod and computing functions, and getting on-line at home or neighborhood wireless hot spots; and lots of things I can't even think of. It changes the playing field, make no mistake.
u are basically describing a PDA.
 
Actually, on my ( Symbian ) smartphone I can do everything you list
- watch ( wide screen-ish ) movies ( DivX )
- photos
- wifi
- sync
- calendar
- email, messaging ( including blackberry - with qwerty keyboard )
- 3G ( well, if it was available ;-) - which the iPhone can't )
- horizontal / vertical screen
- use as storage space

The iPhone is the interface - easier to use. The iPhone software is probably better, granted, but IMO, its the UI that makes the iPhone.

The iPhone moves the smartphone concept a huge, huge step forward--finally, we have the real convergence device (media, computer, communication) that everyone's been talking about but no one, until now, could seem to make.

I could see all kinds of variations on the iPhone--a no phone, hard drive version for those who just want to store and watch a lot of video on the wide screen; a Bluetooth & wi-fi, but no phone version for those whose main interest is using the iPod and computing functions, and getting on-line at home or neighborhood wireless hot spots; and lots of things I can't even think of. It changes the playing field, make no mistake.

One thing I find fascinating--I've been following these boards ever since I got my first-gen iPod. I clearly remember a few months ago that people were SO excited about the multi-touch screen. The idea of being able to flick your finger, or "pinch" a photo, and make things happen, or have the screen change based on the use needed or the orientation of the device, seemed so novel and exciting, like something out of science fiction -- AND IT WAS ONLY PATENT DRAWINGS!!

Now that this screen is really real, hardly anyone has mentioned it. Now THAT'S irony.
 
Why so many negatives for this?

I'm definitely going to be getting an iPhone. What's even better is that I don't have to switch providers!:D

This makes me wonder when the stand-alone true wide screen video iPod will come out. Maybe the 2007 holiday season?

its a delicate decision, eventually it will be out, but not before iPhone get some market, apple wouldn't want a new iPod crush the iPhone market for it.
 
u are basically describing a PDA.

Oh yes, all PDAs run OS X, have multi-touch screens (just been invented and patented by Apple), run OS X widgets and who knows what other Apple software, sync seamlessly with iTunes, and have 80 gigabyte hard drives. Yeah, right. Next.
 
Oh yes, all PDAs run OS X, have multi-touch screens (just been invented and patented by Apple), run OS X widgets and who knows what other Apple software, sync seamlessly with iTunes, and have 80 gigabyte hard drives. Yeah, right. Next.

lol,
1. u didn't mention these in above post, and i agree these are the good, unique part. but not the stuff u described above
2. yeah what? iphone has 4G/8G, not 80G, what are you talking about?
 
Actually, on my ( Symbian ) smartphone I can do everything you list
- watch ( wide screen-ish ) movies ( DivX )
- photos
- wifi
- sync
- calendar
- email, messaging ( including blackberry - with qwerty keyboard )
- 3G ( well, if it was available ;-) - which the iPhone can't )
- horizontal / vertical screen
- use as storage space

The iPhone is the interface - easier to use. The iPhone software is probably better, granted, but IMO, its the UI that makes the iPhone.

Yes, I could do a lot of those things on my Treo (except it sucked for music--it was no iPod, and I suspect neither is yours). But if you try to tell me that the screen function is the same, the elegance and integration of the design is the same, and the software is the same, well, that's a tough sell.
 
Also from CNN

"Despite all these bells and whistles, Jobs said the "killer app is making calls." The iPhone will operate on the GSM protocol, but won't have third-generation broadband initially. Jobs said that 3G capability is coming. It will also sync with the Mac's Address Book application."

3G is coming!

Now this may explain why Asia will be seeing it in 2008. But it's still a long time to wait!

The phone is absolutely amazing and will get better over time. I think people need to realise this phone will be "always" connected. The prices introduced does include the service plan people and that service plan should be unlimited voice and data access? This is the only way I see Cingular taking advantage of the carrier exclusiveness for the first 6 months.
 
Oh yes, all PDAs run OS X, have multi-touch screens (just been invented and patented by Apple), run OS X widgets and who knows what other Apple software, sync seamlessly with iTunes, and have 80 gigabyte hard drives. Yeah, right. Next.

... and rotate from landscape to portrait automatically, and have proximity sensors to turn off the screen and data input so you don't accidentally hit a but with your face, and have cover scroll for browsing through your albums, and have maps tightly integrated into the system at the top level, and are about the size of an ipod, and have this high a resolution screen, and don't require a stylus for reasonable input, and, and, and, etc...
 
Now this may explain why Asia will be seeing it in 2008. But it's still a long time to wait!

The phone is absolutely amazing and will get better over time. I think people need to realise this phone will be "always" connected. The prices introduced does include the service plan people and that service plan should be unlimited voice and data access? This is the only way I see Cingular taking advantage of the carrier exclusiveness for the first 6 months.

does your question mark mean u were asking a question?

are u saying cingular's exclusive partnership with iPhone is only for 6 months?
 
... and rotate from landscape to portrait automatically, and have proximity sensors to turn off the screen and data input so you don't accidentally hit a but with your face, and have cover scroll for browsing through your albums, and have maps tightly integrated into the system at the top level, and are about the size of an ipod, and have this high a resolution screen, and don't require a stylus for reasonable input, and, and, and, etc...

Well added!
 
For those that kept asking about GPS, FYI ALL modern cell phones have a GPS chip (required by law) that can be used to track position whether the phone is on or off (soft power) either by the software and/or the cell phone company.

As for all this talk about the iPhone and NOTHING about MAC OS 10.5, it is leaving me a little uneasy. Also whats with the removal of the word MAC from OSX on the iPhone, saying it's OS is "OS X" not "Mac OS X" if the iPhone as some of you say IS a Mac???
 
voip yeah or neah

Does this dam thing which i can't wait to get my sweaty hands on
SUPPORT VOIP or not?

If it does than BYE BYE NOKIA:cool:
 
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