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No you are not. Its not like the stuff you just bought is going to stop working now. You will get good use out of everything you purchased.

Dont cut Apple slack.:mad: They just want to rip us off!! Its plain wrong, and thats the first time I hope someone will sue they collective ass for it. Of course in case they wont fix AEBS+HD via USB and TM
 
Dont cut Apple slack.:mad: They just want to rip us off!! Its plain wrong, and thats the first time I hope someone will sue they collective ass for it. Of course in case they wont fix AEBS+HD via USB and TM

As much as i'm a macaddict and faithful, i agree with you, because I'm a fanboy but i'm not a blind fanboy and they need to do things right... and this AEBS is bullish, I don't care if i have scandalize! It aint right if they keep things this way
 
I bought a 2TB drive to hook up via usb to m new airport extreme before leopard came out strictly for time machine because i have a macbook - now all that is useless and i need another 300 dollar time capsule for half a terabyte or 500 for 1TB - this is horrible.
Your current setup will still work, no? :confused:

Anyway, this seems a bit high priced, even for Apple.
 
How about fixing the issues some people are having with the Airport Extreme Base Station first?

We have 3 laptops, 2 workstations and 2 iPhones all running off my AEBS with zero problems.
My two biggest complaints with my AEBS were just fixed:
Third party drive compatibility and wireless Time Machine backup for the all of the computers. Brilliant and simple.
Thanks Apple!!
 
Backing up over wireless works fine. Although slow for the base backup, snapshots are quick. There are some minor quirks to it.

However, I have been backing up 2 laptops over wireless (and wired) since Leopard has been released. (Over SMB, to a Linux server) It works fine.

If you are backing up to a remote Leopard installed machine it also works fine. (Over AFP)

There is *NO* reason Apple couldn't make the AEBS work with Timemachine. Apple decided to go the Time Capsule route to make more money off it. Who can blame them ?

However, I am not going to dump money on it. Not only is it cheaper to buy drives outside of it, I am not going to dump a bunch of cash on a device that does storage for 1 thing. The 2 TB existing system I have, I can use for more then just timemachine storage. I also store media there and SVN backups.

Is said backing up to a remote Leopard installed machine (AFP) supported, i.e. does the shared drive appear in Time Machine Preferences per default?
 
Problems with AEBS

We have 3 laptops, 2 workstations and 2 iPhones all running off my AEBS with zero problems.
My two biggest complaints with my AEBS were just fixed:
Third party drive compatibility and wireless Time Machine backup for the all of the computers. Brilliant and simple.
Thanks Apple!!

Yeah whatever, we all can do that, but the problem that Apple has not resolved is the reliable functionality of mounting a USB hard drive to ther AEBS... instead they resolve the problem with more crap to buy, and not a mention of a possible update to fix the problem which has been around since Leopard came out and Apple removed the Airport Disk Utility. :mad:

Where is this fabled 10.5.2???
 
Is said backing up to a remote Leopard installed machine (AFP) supported, i.e. does the shared drive appear in Time Machine Preferences per default?

Direct from: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html

You can designate just about any HFS+ formatted FireWire or USB drive connected to a Mac as a Time Machine backup drive. Time Machine can also back up to another Mac running Leopard with Personal File Sharing, Leopard Server, or Xsan storage devices.
 
Raid!!!

Man, how do I do backups on a single drive. This would be perfect if I could get two 500GB drives and have a RAID-1 configuration.

This is ashame since I'm looking for just that. I guess I'll have to get an AirPort Extreme and an external RAID-1 dual-bay HDD setup. :(
 
Let us not forget the original statement from Apple

Via http://web.archive.org/web/20070710....com/macosx/leopard/features/timemachine.html we read:

With a hard disk connected to your AirPort Extreme Base Station, all the Macs in your house can use Time Machine to back up wirelessly. Simply select your AirPort Disk as the backup disk for each computer and the whole family can enjoy the benefits of Time Machine.

This is why many of us bought Airport Extreme Base Stations, and this is why many of us bought Leopard.
 

Neat. Thank you. Well, guess I'm getting a Mac Mini then and enslave it as my home server for long video encodes, File Server, Backup Server, iTunes Library Share, DVR (via eyeTV) etc. :D

EDIT: Well, actually it doesn't specifically say "wireless". I guess it should work but I'd love to confirm that.
My plan is getting a Mac Mini, hooking up a USB drive to the Mac Mini. Then share that USB drive and use it to wirelessly backup my Macbook which is on the same Network. If you can confirm this, please PM me.
 
Hi,

Can someone bottom line this for me?

Is it fact that we will be able to use Time Machine with our current AEBS with an external USB hard drive attached to it? Is it rumor? Or will we absolutely not be able to do this?

Thanks.
 
Neat. Thank you. Well, guess I'm getting a Mac Mini then and enslave it as my home server for long video encodes, File Server, Backup Server, iTunes Library Share, DVR (via eyeTV) etc. :D

EDIT: Well, actually it doesn't specifically say "wireless". I guess it should work but I'd love to confirm that.
My plan is getting a Mac Mini, hooking up a USB drive to the Mac Mini. Then share that USB drive and use it to wirelessly backup my Macbook which is on the same Network. If you can confirm this, please PM me.

I can confirm for you it does in fact work. I tried it from my MBP to my girlfriends MBP and it worked fine.

I was going to head the Mini route, but its too expensive for just a single purpose. It makes more sense for me to use a Linux server, since its already being used for quite a few tasks. (File serving, encoding, mythtv, etc)
 
Hi,

Can someone bottom line this for me?

Is it fact that we will be able to use Time Machine with our current AEBS with an external USB hard drive attached to it? Is it rumor? Or will we absolutely not be able to do this?

Thanks.

As of current it will connect ... HOWEVER. Its very unstable, extraordinary slow and plagued with problems. For example a simple power blip requires you to unmount the drive, bring it to a Mac, have it run fsck on it, umount it, bring it back to your AEBS, plug it back in and remount it.

Don't use an AEBS for TM, its not worth it.
 
As of current it will connect ... HOWEVER. Its very unstable, extraordinary slow and plagued with problems. For example a simple power blip requires you to unmount the drive, bring it to a Mac, have it run fsck on it, umount it, bring it back to your AEBS, plug it back in and remount it.

Don't use an AEBS for TM, its not worth it.

Until, of course, they provide another Leopard update that fixes that problem, I guess.
 
Common failure point...

I was initially disappointed that TimeMachine + AEBS was pulled from Leopard.

But then I realised that I don't want my backup drive permanently connected to the power socket and my network. Too many things could happen which kill both my PC and my backup

-power surge / lightning strike
-hack
-malware

So my backup drive sits unplugged from all power and USB, and only gets plugged in when I backup at the end of each day. Sure I lose the hourly backup power of TM, but my data is more secure. And being paranoid, I have a second backup drive (weekly) which lives in my garage - in case of a burglary or house fire, and a .Mac backup of critical files - in case of massive house fire !

So, while TimeCapsule is a good thing, and will bring backup to even more people, I'd have to be relying on it for recovering from a lightning strike. We had a strike a couple of weeks ago which fried my iMac, my ADSL modem, my iPod charger, a telephone. All it needed to do was kill my backup drive and I was in deep doo-doo.
 
I can confirm for you it does in fact work. I tried it from my MBP to my girlfriends MBP and it worked fine.

I was going to head the Mini route, but its too expensive for just a single purpose. It makes more sense for me to use a Linux server, since its already being used for quite a few tasks. (File serving, encoding, mythtv, etc)

Thanks. Well, I like the ease of Apple Remote Desktop (especially the built in one with Leopard). On a quick network, you barely notice that you're working on a remote machine. I love OSX because of the freeware and commercial software you can get for it, coupled with the ease of use for mundane tasks that just is not there on Linux yet.

All those USB drives in my room are loud and emit that very low frequency flanging vibration (one case got 2 7.200 rpm drives and a fan in it) and I switch it off as often as I can. XGrid is also fun :)
 
There is *NO* reason Apple couldn't make the AEBS work with Timemachine. Apple decided to go the Time Capsule route to make more money off it. Who can blame them ?

However, I am not going to dump money on it.

Apparently, Wall Street thinks we aren't going to dump money on today's products as well. Stock fell about 5.5% today and another 3.5% in after hours trading.

The $179 I wasted on an 802.11n base station in anticipation of Leopard / Time Machine based upon the company's early feature list, doesn't matter to Apple, but the billions in lost market cap today should.
 
It is obvious that this is the reason wireless hd backup never worked. They were coming out with time capsule from the very beginning.

What a greedy company Apple has become. Next, we will see Steve Jobs off the play. Back to the dark 90's again.
 
We've been had! What about everyone else who already purchased hardware?

So 3 weeks ago I spent $159 on an Airport Extreme and $120 on Leopard so I could plug my $120 HD into for Time Machine when they finally updated it to support backups wirelessly. Now Im out all that. Unbelievable.

I agree! I purchased and upgraded to Leopard in Nov 07 and purchased an external hard drive. I previously purchased the Airport Extreme Base Station in anticipation of being able to wirelessly backup my MBP via the AEBS and Time Machine. Who would have guessed that this feature would be yanked last minute upon Leopard's release. So now I have spent $500 + and I still cannot communicate wirelessly with Time Machine. So where is the firmware update??? Today it came in the form of a $299/$499 hardware release called Time Capsule. Thanks a lot Apple! Way to cheat your customers. This hardware should have been mentioned before/upon release of Leopard so all of us idiots could have been saved the heartache of throwing away money on non-apple hardware that was supposed to be able to work with Time Machine and AEBS. I will most certainly be holding onto my $$$ instead if buying an iPhone (which I had planned to purchase this week) following your anticipated keynote. I have learned my lesson... Apple does not seem to care about it's customers. More $$$ for Apple if they yank a feature and then later exploit it by forcing customers, that want it to work the way it should have, by purchasing additional pricy equipment. What's up with that Steve???
 
Can you do an install restore with Time Capsule? Specifically, if I have a catastrophic drive failure in my laptop and replace the drive, can I boot off the Leopard DVD and perform a Time Machine restore? I know I can do this from a firewire drive.

Yes you can. The Mac OSX install disk has wifi support built in. This is also how the MBA can install OSX remotely.
 
What a greedy company Apple has become. Next, we will see Steve Jobs off the play. Back to the dark 90's again.

surprise! apple is greedy. i was shocked a number of years ago when we suddenly had to pay for the 'ilife' applications which were previously free (or, at least, included in the price of osx). none of this crap surprises me anymore.

i seriously hope they do release an update that lets us do tm backups over airport, that was a pretty significant selling point of the airport extreme when it was announced. apple is pretty good at artificially crippling their hardware so they can further tier their product line.
 
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