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Can this replace my wireless router (Netgear) - do I just plug the DSL cable from the wall into Time Capsule? Or would I need a separate DSL modem too?
 
Can this replace my wireless router (Netgear) - do I just plug the DSL cable from the wall into Time Capsule? Or would I need a separate DSL modem too?

No, there's no modem built-in, so you could keep your Netgear and connect it to the Time Capsule by cat5.
 
Apparently, Wall Street thinks we aren't going to dump money on today's products as well. Stock fell about 5.5% today and another 3.5% in after hours trading.

That's called profit taking, and it happens at every major product announcement including last year's iPhone announcement.

Wait until Apple releases their Q1 earnings report before you start dogging the stock. That's a true indicator.
 
Unimpressed

Color me unimpressed.

1TB is not enough to provide adequate time machine space for the 2 macs in my house.

Embedding a disk drive, with its high failure rates, in a router means you will be replacing the router every time the disk fails.

Disks are heat sensitive, and airport extreme routers are HOT inside.

Finally, all I need is a disk with a network interface, everyone on the planet already has a router or wap.
 
Well, look back at my comment about my grandmother. She has a Macbook she uses to surf the web, send e-mails, and store photos from her digital camera and videos I send her of her grand-daughter.

If her hard drive dies, what would you suggest she do? What other product could she use to back-up her data? What's as easy as this? I can't think of many.

It's not just you grandmother. 4 percent of all home users do regular backups. That is one in 25. Maybe the percentage is higher among the people posting on this thread, but not much and definitely not enough. With Time Capsule, it isn't hard to backup, it is hard to not backup.
 
I agree! I purchased and upgraded to Leopard in Nov 07 and purchased an external hard drive. I previously purchased the Airport Extreme Base Station in anticipation of being able to wirelessly backup my MBP via the AEBS and Time Machine. Who would have guessed that this feature would be yanked last minute upon Leopard's release. So now I have spent $500 + and I still cannot communicate wirelessly with Time Machine. So where is the firmware update??? Today it came in the form of a $299/$499 hardware release called Time Capsule. Thanks a lot Apple! Way to cheat your customers. This hardware should have been mentioned before/upon release of Leopard so all of us idiots could have been saved the heartache of throwing away money on non-apple hardware that was supposed to be able to work with Time Machine and AEBS. I will most certainly be holding onto my $$$ instead if buying an iPhone (which I had planned to purchase this week) following your anticipated keynote. I have learned my lesson... Apple does not seem to care about it's customers. More $$$ for Apple if they yank a feature and then later exploit it by forcing customers, that want it to work the way it should have, by purchasing additional pricy equipment. What's up with that Steve???

If indeed Time Capsule is Apple's solution to the problem of connecting an external HDD via USB to the AEBS, then that is a bit low - sly, but low. However, it should also be pointed out that many people who bought the AEBS and an external USB HDD made an assumption which you also state:

I previously purchased the Airport Extreme Base Station in anticipation of being able to wirelessly backup my MBP via the AEBS and Time Machine. Who would have guessed that this feature would be yanked last minute upon Leopard's release.

Thus, while I sympathize with you to some extent, you also need to realize that you made a decision based on rumors and pre-release information before all of the features were finalized. It was a gamble you took that unfortunately did not pay off for you.
 
Wouldn't it have made more sense to combine Time Capsule and AppleTV into one box? This way you get:

one device that backs up your computers hard drive, stores downloaded movies and music which can be shared on any Mac connected to the device? It sits right next to your TV and makes all devices talk to one another.

Call it......heck who knows, call it whatever you want.
 
Thus, while I sympathize with you to some extent, you also need to realize that you made a decision based on rumors and pre-release information before all of the features were finalized. It was a gamble you took that unfortunately did not pay off for you.

Rumors?? Are you kiddin me??:mad: That was on Apple site!!! They say its supported, and AirDisk is suppose to work. Call me cheap but I spent 170 for AEBS and 250 for HD and I expect it to work as advertised
 
I don't think so, it's literally just a hard drive fitted into an AirPort Extreme base station so you just access it like a remote hard drive

:(
according to the description of Time Capsule, it is a wireless ABS AND server - which, after many hours on the phone with support trying to use Time Machine wirelessly, is the only way we can do it. And we bought a 1 TB external to back up 1 G5 and 3 (various) macBooks/PowerBooks. Not happpy. Not happy at all. But the Product Specialist I spoke to on Sunday (yes, 2 days ago) after 1 1/2 hours, said the only way we can do this is to have the external HD (dedicated Time Machine device) connected to a server. And now they introduce Capsule. Misleading literature with the Time Machine /Leopard launch.

again. Not happy.
 
Thanks. Well, I like the ease of Apple Remote Desktop (especially the built in one with Leopard). On a quick network, you barely notice that you're working on a remote machine. I love OSX because of the freeware and commercial software you can get for it, coupled with the ease of use for mundane tasks that just is not there on Linux yet.

All those USB drives in my room are loud and emit that very low frequency flanging vibration (one case got 2 7.200 rpm drives and a fan in it) and I switch it off as often as I can. XGrid is also fun :)

Oh don't get me wrong, using OS X for a server is great. However, since I do Linux administration full time it doesn't phase me to maintain another system. (Over 100 at work, and 5 personal servers)

I can hear ya on the noise. I have quite a few external drives all 7200 RPM. Not to mention my other server has 4 very old SATA drives that sound like jet engines.
 
Rumors?? Are you kiddin me??:mad: That was on Apple site!!! They say its supported, and AirDisk is suppose to work. Call me cheap but I spent 170 for AEBS and 250 for HD and I expect it to work as advertised

I will gladly retract the word "rumors" but I believe the Apple site at that time said that the features were subject to change, or something like that; though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you are cheap and you certainly spent a lot of money - it would be a lot of money for me anyways - to get the hardware. From the previous conversation, it appears that the Air Disk/TM feature for HDD support for the AEBS was a pre-finalized Leopard feature only. If it was however a finalized feature then Apple is ethically responsible to correct the glitches in this feature.
 
when you really think about the possibility of HDD failure, and the idea of replacing the entire $500 unit in that case, coupled with the withholding of this feature from time machine on a standalone HDD/AEBS, this is looking pretty unattractive.

i am guessing its too much to ask to expect this thing to be able to play music on my stereo as well? i feel like some of apple's features are oddly spread out right now, when they should be more standard.
 
I will gladly retract the word "rumors" but I believe the Apple site at that time said that the features were subject to change, or something like that; though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you are cheap and you certainly spent a lot of money - it would be a lot of money for me anyways - to get the hardware. From the previous conversation, it appears that the Air Disk/TM feature for HDD support for the AEBS was a pre-finalized Leopard feature only. If it was however a finalized feature then Apple is ethically responsible to correct the glitches in this feature.

even if it wasn't finalized, you still dont pull a bait and switch on people like this. i know this doesn't technically count as a bait and switch, but its so borderline close, and really really shady to do.
 
I will gladly retract the word "rumors" but I believe the Apple site at that time said that the features were subject to change, or something like that; though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you are cheap and you certainly spent a lot of money - it would be a lot of money for me anyways - to get the hardware. From the previous conversation, it appears that the Air Disk/TM feature for HDD support for the AEBS was a pre-finalized Leopard feature only. If it was however a finalized feature then Apple is ethically responsible to correct the glitches in this feature.

for me, i'm more irritated that it was a feature that they used to sell airport extreme units. yeah it's kinda ridiculous that they pulled the feature from an otherwise finalized feature set at the last (or essentially last) minute, but i would have bought leopard anyway. however, the ability to use time machine to backup was a substantial reason for purchase from me, and it's frustrating to have an airport base station that under-delivers on so a couple different levels (can't block wan ping? seriously?), and then has features ripped out of them.
 
I am damn mad at Apple. I just bought the AEBS last week for the only reason to get my 500 GIG HD running but the Base Station does not work at all, despite the fact that I run Tiger. In my opinion, if Leopard or Tiger, it doesn't have anything to with it. I tried all possible drive formattings, nothing helps. It doesn't get recognized.
 
even if it wasn't finalized, you still dont pull a bait and switch on people like this. i know this doesn't technically count as a bait and switch, but its so borderline close, and really really shady to do.

for me, i'm more irritated that it was a feature that they used to sell airport extreme units. yeah it's kinda ridiculous that they pulled the feature from an otherwise finalized feature set at the last (or essentially last) minute, but i would have bought leopard anyway. however, the ability to use time machine to backup was a substantial reason for purchase from me, and it's frustrating to have an airport base station that under-delivers on so a couple different levels (can't block wan ping? seriously?), and then has features ripped out of them.

I totally understand your frustration, and I wish Apple had not done this because it does appear "underhanded" and as "bait and switch" as you both state. The sour taste is felt in our mouths because it would appear that Apple should be able to fix the AEBS functionality and now is selling Time Capsule instead. I would rather/also prefer to see AEBS fixed, as well.
 
Once again, over ehre in the UK we're having to pay almost twice as much as the US.

UK Price: £199 ($393)

the 500gb model is £152 in the US without sales tax

the 500gb model is £169.36 in the UK without sales tax (VAT)

that's an £18 difference, not twice the price. Duh.
 
So, question. I have an iMac with 750GB HDD. And I wanna get a MacBook Air. Can I use the Time Capsule as an external drive to use Time Machine with both the iMac (hooked up via USB) and the MacBook Air (wireless)?

If your iMac is always on, or at least on all the times you'd want to back up.
An leopard machine can host a time machine drive for any other leopard machine. So you don't even need a time capsule any old drive attached (usb/firewire/internal) to the iMac will work for you.

I wonder if you have an external drive set up for time machine before you migrate an account to the macbook air will it continue to use the same Time Machine drive?
 
No, it's pretty ugly regardless of whether they fix it now. And they will, I'm sure, since people will complain.

You can debate it all you want, but this sounds like Apple withheld a promised feature from one product in order to upsell its customers later. That's pretty ugly, in my book. Legal? Surely. A violation of business ethics? Nah. But ugly, something that I don't like, that reminds me my face looks suspiciously like Benjamin Franklin'$? Yeah.



A pretty safe doubt. If I did, I wouldn't have bought my AEBS(n).

What if the wireless Time Machine corruption problems in Leopard are the reason the device is delayed until February? Did you notice the part where the device isn't released until February? Can you think of any other reason why it would be delayed past the keynote?
 
Which came first?

a) Airport Express TM disabled on purpose or
b) Time Capsule to address the issue

They better fix this "glitch" to make things right.

I remember using an external attached to the usb of my extreme for Leo during the betas to test Time Machine. I even used a folder inside an Windoze XP machine on the network for it. Both of which worked without any issues.
 
Color me unimpressed.

1TB is not enough to provide adequate time machine space for the 2 macs in my house.

Embedding a disk drive, with its high failure rates, in a router means you will be replacing the router every time the disk fails.

Disks are heat sensitive, and airport extreme routers are HOT inside.

Finally, all I need is a disk with a network interface, everyone on the planet already has a router or wap.

i believe these are server grade drives that are more reliable and less prone to heat.
 
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