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Apple Announces Time Capsule

ricosuave said:
Which came first?

a) Airport Express TM disabled on purpose or
b) Time Capsule to address the issue

They better fix this "glitch" to make things right.

I remember using an external attached to the usb of my extreme for Leo during the betas to test Time Machine. I even used a folder inside an Windoze XP machine on the network for it. Both of which worked without any issues.
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My point is that Time Capsule has NOT been released, so we don't have any idea whether the Leopard feature will be re-enabled before or after Time Capsule. Which makes it pointless to complain now... at least wait until Feb.

I certainly believe that you had no issues, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Backup integrity is a serious concern.
 
sizing?

Can anyone point me to information helping me understand what the usage of disk space is with time machine? I have a 500gb imac and 2 250gb kids machines in the house... will a 500gb time capsule do or must i buy the 1TB one?
 
xenotaku said:
what does NAS mean that everyone is referring to?

Also, does anyone know if this thing will be able to store my media (movies, music etc) and stream it to my MPB? If I could remove all of my movies and photographs and keep it on this, and then access them when I need, I'm buying one.

Most importantly though, will I be able to stream movies off of it? On to my MPB or an :apple:TV in the future?
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NAS is "network attached storage". Generally it connects to your router by ethernet and allows you to share media or backup multiple machines to 1 drive.
According to Apple's web site, Time capsule works with Apple TV. This opens up a lot of mass storage media serving. I may have to get one.
 
ibwb said:
My point is that Time Capsule has NOT been released, so we don't have any idea whether the Leopard feature will be re-enabled before or after Time Capsule. Which makes it pointless to complain now... at least wait until Feb.

I certainly believe that you had no issues, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Backup integrity is a serious concern.
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Ok, since TC has not been released yet you won this argument. But we will meet again!
 
ariel said:
Can anyone point me to information helping me understand what the usage of disk space is with time machine? I have a 500gb imac and 2 250gb kids machines in the house... will a 500gb time capsule do or must i buy the 1TB one?
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I have 500gigs in my Leo backed up to a 500gig Time Machine drive. I have about 100+ gigs of free room in my Leo drive.

TM continues to back up until full then deletes the older backups. With this set up I have about 3+ weeks of history in my back ups.

You would have to determine your needs but a 500gig TC for you and your 2 kids would probably not be enough.
 
ricosuave said:
I have 500gigs in my Leo backed up to a 500gig Time Machine drive. I have about 100+ gigs of free room in my Leo drive.

TM continues to back up until full then deletes the older backups. With this set up I have about 3+ weeks of history in my back ups.

You would have to determine your needs but a 500gig TC for you and your 2 kids would probably not be enough.
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Thanks - that helps. I realize from reading some stuff that Aperture Libs aren't really compatible with Time Machine and my main iMac has a 150 gb Aperture Lib so i'll keep backing that up monthly and removing it off site. I guess there's a possibility that a 500gb TC might work, but i suspect that you're right and i should go after the larger one to be safe.

I'm thinking of putting it in the basement well away from my other computers just in case someone decides to ransack the house, odds are they won't find it down there and my data would be safe (plus i'm keeping the monthly backup off site).
 
ariel said:
Thanks - that helps. I realize from reading some stuff that Aperture Libs aren't really compatible with Time Machine and my main iMac has a 150 gb Aperture Lib so i'll keep backing that up monthly and removing it off site. I guess there's a possibility that a 500gb TC might work, but i suspect that you're right and i should go after the larger one to be safe.

I'm thinking of putting it in the basement well away from my other computers just in case someone decides to ransack the house, odds are they won't find it down there and my data would be safe (plus i'm keeping the monthly backup off site).
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Keeping data safe in case of theft is a big concern of mine as well. I am leaning towards this product however. I just hope that Apple fixes the TM network "glitch" before I get an external.
 
ricosuave said:
I remember using an external attached to the usb of my extreme for Leo during the betas to test Time Machine. I even used a folder inside an Windoze XP machine on the network for it. Both of which worked without any issues.
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I thought I would finally get to utilize the server sitting in my basement for backups. Sadly it isn't a Leopard system (Windows 2k3) so I guess I am going to be out of luck.
 
citi said:
yeah...as I read between the two products, I thought, wait, this is airport extreme with a hard drive. Why couldn't they just update the firmware in airport extreme? Sucks for people who already bought one.

It is obvious that this is the reason wireless hd backup never worked. They were coming out with time capsule from the very beginning.
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I am hoping they will fix this ASAP. I also have an new AE with a 500 GB USB2 drive attached I bought especially and should be able to do anything Time Capsule can do! As you say it does not work at present from a laptop Mac (all .11n too!). Perhaps there is a Leopard software update that will be coming to allow Time Capsule to function and it will also enable the Existing AEs.
 
Not exactly...Apple themselves listed this as a feature for Leopard, then yanked it. I find it ironic that one of the touted features of the macbook air is the "environmental" features, including less packaging, etc, yet they expect all of us with AE(n)'s to throw them away for the latest/greatest to facilitate SOFTWARE compatibility???. I'm sick to my stomach with this whole deal. That's a used-car salesman tactic, sorry Steve, not going to buy it, and am going to be waaay more skeptical about future hardware purchases from apple in the future as a result of this and the weird ipod touch software thing.

Thus, while I sympathize with you to some extent, you also need to realize that you made a decision based on rumors and pre-release information before all of the features were finalized. It was a gamble you took that unfortunately did not pay off for you.[/QUOTE]
 
Val-kyrie said:
If indeed Time Capsule is Apple's solution to the problem of connecting an external HDD via USB to the AEBS, then that is a bit low - sly, but low. However, it should also be pointed out that many people who bought the AEBS and an external USB HDD made an assumption which you also state:



Thus, while I sympathize with you to some extent, you also need to realize that you made a decision based on rumors and pre-release information before all of the features were finalized. It was a gamble you took that unfortunately did not pay off for you.
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Actually, I should explain a little further about what influenced my prior purchases... the employees at my local Apple Store. I spent a lot of time there questioning these "experts" who not only sold me the AEBS but highly recommended the external drive that I purchased. Both employees, during separate visits, ensured me that these hardware choices would be perfect for time machine backup via wireless connectivity... the external hard drive was purchased well after Leopard's release/install, based on the advice of these Apple employees stating that the update to Leopard would be available shortly and it would in fact work. So not so much a "gamble" that I took based on "rumors" and "pre-release" information but based mostly on "straight from the horses mouth" sources and information posted directly on the Apple website as well as the desire to be able to get the most out of Leopard (especially the back up function, time machine offers). I guess I'll just have to do it wired! What I have learned: Apple should not allow it's retail employees to discuss products, that have not been released, with customers unless they have been trained and well educated about the upcoming releases. Why shouldn't I have believed every word they told me... after all I drive a considerable distance to the Apple store for the sole purpose of speaking to the "experts." It would be a lot more convenient to go to Best Buy or Comp USA for Apple products. On Dec 29, while purchasing an iPod, I overheard an Apple store employee telling another customer to wait until Jan 15 to buy the iPhone because the 2nd gen. phone would be released then. Guess this employee was a bit misinformed... or even more likely is one of the overzealous Apple employees that think they know it all, much like the ones that got me to purchase the AEBS and external drive. Again, you live and learn.
 
I just bought an Airport Extreme this month. Fortunately, according to the Apple:apple: CS rep I chatted with today on the computer, I can return it for a full refund and buy the new Time Capsule. :D
 
Steve's RDF did nothing for me on this one. He said, "Time Machine doesn't work very well for our laptop users who have to plug in to get a time machine backup." I got excited, thinking that they were going to modify time machine so that it could store fine-grain backups on the same hard drive and migrate those backups to the backup drive when it's online. And then he pulls this BS. Nobody cares about a stupid router with a hard drive stuck in it that, once it fails, is irreplaceable and dead. I want a router that can hook up 6 hard drives on a powered hub, one that I can change the hard drive out on once it's full, etc.

I want the Base Station I bought to work as advertised. That would be a much better solution than "Time Capsule." A solution that doesn't involve me shelling out ANOTHER $300 for a feature that should have been in the product I paid almost $200 for.

Bad, bad move, Apple. Fix it. Soon.
 
What I don't understand, is why Apple didn't see this issue coming? Did they really think that people who bought AEBS wouldn't notice this?

I'm assuming that they have to get the AirPort Disk to work (even w/o time machine), since they are still advertising that on their site. Is it working for anyone who didn't downgrade to the old firmware?

I don't how they can see this device when the AirPort Disk doesn't work as advertised (again ignoring the Time Machine angle).

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they have an update when this device comes out...
 
ibwb said:
My point is that Time Capsule has NOT been released, so we don't have any idea whether the Leopard feature will be re-enabled before or after Time Capsule. Which makes it pointless to complain now... at least wait until Feb.
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At least waiting 'til February will be OK as long as, in February, Apple will let me buy Time Capsule for $141 (I bought with Edu pricing, I am a grad student) + the AEBS I have now, that's 3 weeks old exactly. That will be a terrible waste of perfectly fine electronics, as others have mentioned, but in my opinion necessary to fix this issue.

I still expect it to be resolved by a Leopard update and maybe also a base station update, but if that doesn't happen by then, they had really better take this thing back.
 
AirPort Extreme Base Station with Hard Drive For Time Machine Back Up?

Will I be able to use an AirPort Extreme Base Station with an External hard drive (either hard drive disc or solid state drive) for Time Machine Back Ups??

If not is it possible I will be able to with with 10.5.2?

If not is it possible there will be a fix for this that someone will wirte?
Can you point me in the direction of one such download?

Is it safe to do this or could this result in a problem?

Also does anyone know a good cheap SSD (32 GB, or pref. 64 GB)

Please Help! Thanks,
Yanks4Sure

P.S. I bought it on black Friday... Any chance I will be able to return it? I bought it for Time Machine Back Ups beause Apple advertised it this way!
 
Trepex said:
You misunderstand. I'm saying my AEBS with USB drive is slow, but Time Capsule would presumably be faster since a large reason for the poor performance with AEBS + USB external is the USB factor.
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I've always been curious as to just what OS is running on the AEBS. There are known issues with data corruption on USB drives (certain chipsets only) and Leopard, and I wonder if the AEBS is running a stripped down version of Leopard. After all, you can do EVERYTHING AEBS can do with the correct configuration of a dual NIC machine running OS X server... :)

If it is Leopard inside, and this USB issue is still hanging around, that would explain why it isn't supported yet. It would also explain why it's a none issue with the time capsule, since that's almost certainly a SATA disk...

Check out this link http://alblue.blogspot.com/2007/12/mac-data-loss-on-leopard-usb-drives.html for more information on the USB issue. This guy has been talking directly to apple support about the issue. The scary thing is.... if you are using HFS then you won't even know the data is corrupt...

be well

t
 
Small White Car said:
I was really hoping for user-replaceable hard drives so I could send a full drive somewhere else for safe-keeping and just add a new one myself.

Doesn't look like that's the way it's made, though. Oh well, still an awesome product! I gotta make sure my parent's and my grandmother get one...if they lose all their photos they'll be asking ME to restore them and right now I won't be able to help them!
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In the comparison sheet it says there are usb ports for external drive on the time capsule, so it should be possible to replace that at least - don't know about the internal drive though
 
I like the isea of this. However, I would like to know whether an external drive attached by USB could be used to expand the capacity of the device? 1TB is not that much for Time Machine really, especially if you include a media library (movies, TV Shows etc).

Is this where the ZFS research comes in? Add an external drive and the capsule has the facility to simply add this capacity to its internal drive?
 
Update!

I picked up an AEBS on Dec. 28 at my local Apple Store.
Been shopping USB drives to use with my AEBS + Time Machine.
Started reading lots of issues with that config - even hearing similar anguish form friends.
Then Stevenote.
Time Capsule.
Crap.

So I called my local Apple Store about my refund options.
Get this - even tho I missed my 14-day refund window, by 5 days, they are happily (and it was honestly as simple as asking) refunding my money (tomorrow). No questions asked. Was really odd... tho I appreciate the option.

So now my question to you, faithful macrumors contributors: preorder a Time Capsule or keep the AEBS and hope for a firmware update?
 
Time Capsule is connected to a router which is connected to the internet, yes? Two questions:

1. Can I access TM remotely, maybe not for a big backup, but perhaps to get a lost file?

2. Is there any way a hacker could do the same thing?

(Sorry if these points have been addressed in the pages I didn't read through)
 
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