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It's perfect if they just called it what it is: a PMD.

It's not a tablet computer, any more than an iPod Touch is. For it to be a proper computer, it needs a full-fledged OS. Like OSX. If the iPad had OSX on it I'd buy one tomorrow. Instead I'll buy a Win7 device, when they stop releasing half-baked devices in a misguided attempt to secure some of that gooey iPad market share.

Just admit it: You bought an iPad cuz it's cool, it does what it does, and that's all. It's overpriced, under-capable, and nothing more than a toy.

Well, full-fledged OS X wouldn't work that well on this processor, and the battery life I suspect would be much lower too...which is very important. Also, you can't just slap OS X on it and just go "oh, see, we'll use our finger instead of our a mouse...that's all you need".

The OS has to be built from the ground up for touch, and you'd see that if you spent any time with it. I mean, there IS a reason for so many failed tablet PC's that tried to do just that....throw Windows on it and expect miracles. It's also a reason why so many planned tablets that were going to use Windows 7 are getting reworked to use Android instead. Other manufacturers are scrambling to bring something out...and they won't take their time in designing it and just listen to the geeks that just look at "specs" instead of the overall picture. So get ready for a lot of crap to come out in the next year.

Anyway, you want to call it a toy, fine...to you it's a toy. But this "toy" has totally replaced my Macbook Pro in my daily use. Surfing the web, checking my news, my email, Twitter...all is better (for me) on my iPad than on my MBP. Not to mention the tons of books I've already read from a number of sources. I can choose to buy books from Apple, Amazon or Barnes & Noble now...and soon from Google. I read a lot. So this "toy" has been quite a liberating device for me. I could have gone with a Kindle or Nook...but then I'd be relegated to just one source of books. Do you honestly think there will be a Barnes & Noble reader for Kindle or a way to buy Amazon books for the Nook? That day may come, but it ain't here yet.

But this brings us to personal choices. I'm amazed at the hatred people are spewing over this thing. If people don't want it, then don't get it. But why do people have to go out of their way to tell people that DO like it that they're stupid or delusional or whatever. Are people's lives so miserable that they have to crap on others to make themselves feel better? What gives?
 
But this brings us to personal choices. I'm amazed at the hatred people are spewing over this thing. If people don't want it, then don't get it. But why do people have to go out of their way to tell people that DO like it that they're stupid or delusional or whatever. Are people's lives so miserable that they have to crap on others to make themselves feel better? What gives?

Well said, agree 100%

Why can't those who have no use for it just say "it's not for me"?

I have no use for an Xbox/PS3/Wii and I can't really see the point of Apple TV (maybe it's more relevant in the US than the UK?) or the iPods without a screen (how do you choose a song? Guess they just play random tracks?) but I don't feel the need to criticize them, or people who own them.

I suspect some of the hatred is the green-eyed monster - people who really want one but can't afford one - as for the rest, well who knows? :confused:
 
Poor Apple. Poor, poor Apple.
[they may always be limited to a "10%" market-share... but —quite clearly —it's the top 10%. ;) ]

Some interesting numbers can be found at http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1651578/apple-microsoft-mobile

Mobile phones shipped: Nokia = 107 million, Apple 8.75 million
Mobile phone revenue: Nokia = $9.4 billion, Apple = $5.3 billion
Profit from phone sales: Nokia = $1.1 billion, Apple = $1.6 billion.

I am sure that by changing the prices slightly, Apple could double the number of phones sold while cutting the profits in half. For some reason they don't want to do that.

I'd love to see unit, revenue and profit numbers for iPad vs. netbooks at the end of the year.
 
Great news. I was told that iPad was nothing more than a big iPhone, to which I replied that a swimming pool is nothing more than a big bath tub!

Excellent comeback to the haters. I think I might start using that :p
 
Nice to know, but in the end...

All I care about is that Apple keeps innovating. I love and have most of what they do, because it fills a need, and I love their interface.

So if they sell 36 billion or 36,000 as long as they run their company right, and continue to create, that's all I care about. If they never gain any ground in the market, I don't care. I am fine if they are a niche, and also fine if they rule the world, as long as they keep doing what they are doing. I don't care if you hate apple, because magically my iphone, ipad, imac, and mac pro continue to make work feel like less of a chore.

I have an iPad, and love it. My 68 year old mother who just barely uses any kind of technology, could not put my iPad down while she was visiting.

All this to say, I personally love this product, and am happy they released it. At the end of the day that's all that matters for me.
 
Yes. It. Is.
The interface is a new way of interacting with computers. That interface is revolutionary.....the first change in how we operate since the GUI was popularized back in '84.
For those people innovation is limited to processor speed and number of ports. Stuff like interface, ease of use, design mean nothing to them. They want their beige box with Core i777 and a command-line interface on their TN LCD.
 
Yes. It. Is.

The interface is a new way of interacting with computers. That interface is revolutionary.....the first change in how we operate since the GUI was popularized back in '84.

Haven't we had touchscreen devices and computers for a while now?
 
You know the interface has made it when you witness a young girl on a plane trying to 'flick' the LCD screen in the headrest to browse through the list of movies and being thoroughly confused that it wasn't working.

Tech geeks obsessing about the lack of a USB port, or the fact that their video card can process so many more Gigatexel's etc. are missing the point.

It's the interface stupid.

I do this all the time now! It is truly amazing how inuitive the touch interface is on Apple products. Since using the iPhone, and now the iPad, I'm taken aback every time I have to interact with some other piece of touch-based electronics. They are universally bad relative to what Apple has acheived. And the swiping and pinching gestures are just so natural coupled with the display response. The way the content area you touch stays fixed to your finger. It doesn't even feel like an electronics device. It sounded trite when Steve first said it, but it truly does feel like holding the web in your hand. It feels like a barrier has been broken down, getting rid of the mouse pointer, and there's nothing between you and the content. A very cool feeling.

Its very amusing reading posts from the Apple/iPad haters out there. According to these people, the three most important functions of a computer are Hulu, Farmville, and USB ports.
 
Haven't we had touchscreen devices and computers for a while now?

This would be a fine point if all touchscreen displays functioned the same, or if we completely ignore how well integrated it is with the overall GUI and applications.
 
Some interesting numbers can be found at http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1651578/apple-microsoft-mobile

Mobile phones shipped: Nokia = 107 million, Apple 8.75 million
Mobile phone revenue: Nokia = $9.4 billion, Apple = $5.3 billion
Profit from phone sales: Nokia = $1.1 billion, Apple = $1.6 billion.

And there we have the business reasons behind how Apple behaves. Thanks for posting, gnasher. Those are pretty amazing numbers. Especially when you consider that Apple passed a billion in revenue on just the iPad in just 60 days. That's 10% of nokia's entire revenue from just one new Apple product in just 2 months. Amazing.

To those saying that the iPad's 2 million in sales is insignificant compared to all the PCs sold in the world, I think you need to take a close look at the numbers posted above to understand why the iPad is such a wild success.
 
Don't kid yourself there.ont just carry them around without a case like I see in the commercials.

More you shouldn't - if it was even a small issue the forums like this and MacInTouch (aside: does it seem that they to get the cream of the crop whiners over there?) there would be threads that wouldn't stop.

Yeah its got a huge glass face but with 2 million sold if there was a 'fragility' problem we would be hearing about it on CNN by now.
 
doesn't take much to be a computer

It's perfect if they just called it what it is: a PMD.

It's not a tablet computer, any more than an iPod Touch is. For it to be a proper computer, it needs a full-fledged OS. Like OSX.

You seems to have a very high standard for what it takes to be a computer. I disagree. It doesn't take much to be a computer and you can have a computer without any operating system. You don't need multitasking, keyboard, screen or USB-ports to be a computer.

The first IBM PCs had an even simpler operating system than iPhone OS but I don't know anyone who would deny that the millions of IBM PCs sold in the eighties were not computers.
 
Some interesting numbers can be found at http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1651578/apple-microsoft-mobile

Mobile phones shipped: Nokia = 107 million, Apple 8.75 million
Mobile phone revenue: Nokia = $9.4 billion, Apple = $5.3 billion
Profit from phone sales: Nokia = $1.1 billion, Apple = $1.6 billion.
It's not quite as extreme as that shows. Nokia's smartphone volume was 21.5 million (still almost 2.5 times Apple) of the 107 million handsets, and their handset total revenue was 9.4B (about $11.5B) with smartphone net profit close to 24% (to Apple's 30). So the more accurate comparison is:

Smartphones shipped: 21.5 million (Nokia), 8.75 million (Apple)
Revenue: $4.1B (Nokia), $5.3B (Apple)
Net profit: $1.2B (Nokia), $1.6B (Apple).
- Source

The Inquirer got Nokia's revenue wrong, used volume from the wrong category, but accidentally got the profit about right.

Your point is still correct--Apple's overall profitability is higher on much lower (about 1/3) sales. The Inquirer's numbers were just wrong.

And there we have the business reasons behind how Apple behaves. Thanks for posting, gnasher. Those are pretty amazing numbers.
Indeed.
 
But this brings us to personal choices. I'm amazed at the hatred people are spewing over this thing. If people don't want it, then don't get it. But why do people have to go out of their way to tell people that DO like it that they're stupid or delusional or whatever. Are people's lives so miserable that they have to crap on others to make themselves feel better? What gives?

Yeah you're right about that. It is a personal choice thing. I wasn't trying to hate on the iPad, and less so on those who enjoy theirs; sorry if it came across that way. Sounds like you use yours for pretty reasonable things; prolly what I would use it for.

I guess where I take exception is with people buying into the hype, echoing the "magical" crap and considering it a replacement for a real computer (and I know I'm gonna get called out on the definition of a "real" computer.) I also take issue with Apple's business model; that being, you may own it, but you can only use it for what Apple allows you to use it for. IMHO, I bought it, it's mine, I should be able to install on it anything I choose, not what exists within the Apple's tightly guarded ecosystem. Flash is a great example. It's not that Flash isn't on my iPad or iPhone; it's that I'm not ALLOWED to have Flash on my iPad or iPhone.

But my iPhone says I'm a hypocrite :p

What sticks in my craw is that the iPad is clearly a PMD, but apple called it a computer. But meh, I might be splitting hairs. I can't argue its sex appeal though; maybe the RDS is working on me. :)

And not to throw rocks at the hornet's nest, but naysayers take just as much *****, if not more, from the fanboys, simply for not fawning all over this "magical", device and instead trying to be objective about it ;)

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You seems to have a very high standard for what it takes to be a computer. I disagree. It doesn't take much to be a computer and you can have a computer without any operating system. You don't need multitasking, keyboard, screen or USB-ports to be a computer.

The first IBM PCs had an even simpler operating system than iPhone OS but I don't know anyone who would deny that the millions of IBM PCs sold in the eighties were not computers.

Shame it ain't the 80s anymore ;)
 
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