Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Let’s see…

AVP does everything an iPad Pro does. That’s $1000 worth of value. And it can replace an AppleTV. That’s another $150.

I don’t want something on my head constantly just to use iPad Pro functions. AVP is not iPad Pro replacement, and it was not intended use case.

I don’t know if any people wants to use AVP as iPad

AppleTV, maybe. Depends on usage case.

It not only can replace your flat screen TV, it gives you a larger screen, one that is portable to anywhere you want it. I can sit in my backyard and watch a virtual movie-theater-size screen. A decent 100” screen is $5000 these days.

If I want to enjoy a TV show, movies, sports etc with family, we can watch together with a flat screen TV. I don’t need to buy 6 different AVP to do so.

So this argument is also not valid.

It can replace a 27” 5120x2880 monitor with a much larger screen 5120x2880. That’s at least $1500. But it doesn’t stop there. Because better virtual display support is coming. And I can use it as a display to do programming while also having my bigger than 100” TV playing on the wall beside the display. And I can do that whether I’m in my office or a hotel room on a business trip.

Again. No nobody is buying AVP to replace monitors. This is just not the use case. At least, for a monitor I can hook up with different setup for different purpose. AVP does not.

We are up to greater than $7650 value and haven’t mentioned AR and VR yet. I think you just don’t know how to use the device; or you don’t have a professional perspective. Perhaps you don’t have one and can only repeat what you’ve heard others say. Whatever the reason for your opinion, I don’t find truth in it.

Your entire argument doesn’t make any sense.
 
I don’t want something on my head constantly just to use iPad Pro functions. AVP is not iPad Pro replacement, and it was not intended use case.

I didn’t say it’s use case was to be an iPad replacement. I don’t use it exclusively as an iPad. But, when I am using it as a virtual display and/or consuming streaming media, I don’t use my iPad. I could, but it is more convenient to bring up a window in AVP with the iPad app I want to run. The advantage of using the AVP instead of the iPad is that I can open several different apps and have them open in different easily viewable windows.

If I want to enjoy a TV show, movies, sports etc with family, we can watch together with a flat screen TV. I don’t need to buy 6 different AVP to do so.

So this argument is also not valid.

No. It doesn’t invalidate what I said. The AVP can replace a flat screen in some use cases. You’ve merely come up with one use case where you want a communal television — watching with family. That use case is different from having a personal and portable 120” television that you can use in the backyard, in your home office, in the garage, in a hotel while you are on a business trip, etc.

Again. No nobody is buying AVP to replace monitors. This is just not the use case. At least, for a monitor I can hook up with different setup for different purpose. AVP does not.

Wrong. As many people have said on this forum and others, using the AVP as a virtual monitor (especially with a laptop) is a primary motivator. It definitely was for me.

Your entire argument doesn’t make any sense.

It makes sense. You simply aren’t looking beyond your personal opinions. Other people have different requirements, needs, preferences, and financial resources.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Amazing Iceman
It's called "Pro" for a reason. Not intended for consumers. So maybe Apple is making the mistake of trying to sell directly to consumers instead of marketing to specific "professional" markets, such as doctors, engineers, etc.

A non-Pro version is already in the works, but the technology is so advanced, a Pro version gave them the flexibility to push boundaries. They didn't want something that would directly compete with existing consumer-focused headsets, such as Meta Quest, etc.
Are you telling me Aipords pro are made for Pro only? You realize the Pro word is just marketing right?
I mean apple could even sell a “pro” cable at this point and people would think it si designed for prosumer. :D

They released a gorgeous product that nobody askled, they slapped a pro tag on it and still no one want it,not because it is expensive, not because iti si made for pro users, but because there is no need for it.

No killer app s(biggest mistake not getting devs in) lame battery life and no killer feature.

it’s cool, it’s advanced, but that alone is not enough, and calling it pro is not making things better.

I’d love to make a “flop” like that, as 500.000 Unit at 3500 dollars is a lot of money, that said, as a reduction it’s a failure, it is making money but still a failing device.
 
Last edited:
Are you telling me Aipords pro are made for Pro only? You realize the Pro word is just marketing right?
Pro Air Pods are restricted and can only be sold to doctors, dentists, lawyers and former astronauts. Please see the standard ones if you are a part of the proletariat.
 
  • Like
Reactions: yabeweb
Let’s see…

AVP does everything an iPad Pro does. That’s $1000 worth of value. And it can replace an AppleTV. That’s another $150.

It not only can replace your flat screen TV, it gives you a larger screen, one that is portable to anywhere you want it. I can sit in my backyard and watch a virtual movie-theater-size screen. A decent 100” screen is $5000 these days.

It can replace a 27” 5120x2880 monitor with a much larger screen 5120x2880. That’s at least $1500. But it doesn’t stop there. Because better virtual display support is coming. And I can use it as a display to do programming while also having my bigger than 100” TV playing on the wall beside the display. And I can do that whether I’m in my office or a hotel room on a business trip.

We are up to greater than $7650 value and haven’t mentioned AR and VR yet. I think you just don’t know how to use the device; or you don’t have a professional perspective. Perhaps you don’t have one and can only repeat what you’ve heard others say. Whatever the reason for your opinion, I don’t find truth in it.
I 100% agree here. I wasn’t sure that I wanted to buy one and spend that much money, but I use it primarily for work. It has been amazing so far. I can sit in front of a relaxing lake and have multiple screens around me, including my Mac screen. I have become far more productive. I also use it for entertainment purposes, but primarily I use this for work. I had it in my head that I would potentially return it if I didn’t see value, but I’m definitely keeping it!
 
Apple is really making me consider moving to Android. They are far behind in everything now. This AR headset is just vaporware at that price. I wouldn’t pay over 600 bucks for this.
Airdrop and continuity will keep me in the Apple ecosystem forever. How has any other computer manufacturer caught up to apple with that? No one is even close
 
I'm glad you have value from your purchase!

I just don't think that your case is representative, and can you honestly say you would choose the AVP over a similarly priced mac, or instead of a 3500 home theater? I bet you already have all those things.

And even people that have money make choices based on what else they can get for the money.

When the thing gets to the point where you would choose it over a mac if you could have only one, then its going to sell widely.
Well that all seems pretty obvious, and is normal, which is the main reason the term “early adopter” was originally coined; for people that put up with V1 issues and prices, not for some person installing the 18th version of an OS on day one.

The real question is why some people seem to be bothered angered so much by a product that simply doesn’t appeal to them that they complain about it constantly, rather than just realizing not everything appeals to everyone. If Apple discontinued everything else and only offered the AVP (I’m looking at you, Final Cut Pro), I could see all the complaining, but AVP just seems like something it would be pretty easy to just not purchase if you didn’t want it.

The Apple I is rare today because it didn’t appeal to everyone, but there seem to be quite a few people that buy Apple products now, so I’m glad they didn’t stop at V1.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: vantelimus and jo-1
Meanwhile I'm over here using my $499 Quest 3 every day, streaming PCVR games via Steamlink with incredible graphics, getting software updates monthly that add actually usable features that just keep on improving and improving, and seamlessly playing games with my college kid and his Quest 3s and laughing our butts off.

I didn't have one ounce of buyer's remorse when this thing came out and the YouTube reviews were garnering millions of views raving about the revolutionary VR development. Two weeks later the reviews were flooded with "Why I decided to return my Apple Vision Pro" and Apple announced new games like Solataire and I was shaking my head.

Ok, it was an R&D project and never meant to sell because the technology incorporated within it will be used for future products. What a nightmare for Apple, whatever the case.
I’ve got a Rift DK1 and a Quest 3. The Rift was quite lame in comparison to the Quest, so I guess you should be happy there wasn’t a forum of rabid users calling for Oculus to stop trying. I know I am.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vantelimus
How dare some people state that they think the VPro is a lame duck, with little developer interest, and that it was DOA.
Macbook "Pro" is fabulous by the way. I use mine daily despite not being a rocket scientist. I'm so glad I don't have to strap it to my face.
 
How dare some people state that they think the VPro is a lame duck, with little developer interest, and that it was DOA.
Macbook "Pro" is fabulous by the way. I use mine daily despite not being a rocket scientist. I'm so glad I don't have to strap it to my face.
Trucks are so useful for - well - truck duties - why would anyone half hearted clever use them for jet duties?

On the other hand side planes are hardly useful in narrow mountain roads - yet they can carry many truck loads in one go over huge distances in little time.

See the difference?

There are tasks where a MacBook excels and there are tasks where a head mounted device excels. Ask a
F35 pilot to use MacBook at dog fighting 🤣
 
  • Like
Reactions: vantelimus
How dare some people state that they think the VPro is a lame duck, with little developer interest, and that it was DOA.
Macbook "Pro" is fabulous by the way. I use mine daily despite not being a rocket scientist. I'm so glad I don't have to strap it to my face.
I have no problem with someone stating their opinion, but it does get tiring to hear some repeating themselves constantly. It just seems far more strange for someone to keep saying "hey, remember how much I don't like that?" than for someone to evangelize when they are a fan of something.

If someone doesn't like something, it seems a really sad way for them to waste their lives, constantly telling people how much they dislike it, rather than just moving on to something they do like and enjoying their time with that.
 
Trucks are so useful for - well - truck duties - why would anyone half hearted clever use them for jet duties?

On the other hand side planes are hardly useful in narrow mountain roads - yet they can carry many truck loads in one go over huge distances in little time.

See the difference?

There are tasks where a MacBook excels and there are tasks where a head mounted device excels. Ask a
F35 pilot to use MacBook at dog fighting 🤣
Like I say, the Macbok Pro is fabulous! As always with C projects and rendering it would be nice if it was a bit faster. Will try the M4 soon.
 
If someone doesn't like something, it seems a really sad way for them to waste their lives, constantly telling people how much they dislike it, rather than just moving on to something they do like and enjoying their time with that.
So many wasted lives. It is tragic. Thankfully there are people with bricks strapped to their faces pretending they are sat by a lake amongst the mountains when they could actually be there.
But seriously, you really shouldn't let it affect you so much. Different views are what makes it interesting.
 
So many wasted lives. It is tragic. Thankfully there are people with bricks strapped to their faces pretending they are sat by a lake amongst the mountains when they could actually be there.
But seriously, you really shouldn't let it affect you so much. Different views are what makes it interesting.

I agree, being there is so much better, but the IT infrastructure sucks lakeside.

You should try working on the beach in Bali. You’d be surprised at how much lower your blood pressure can be even while being vexed by trying to tackle a tough problem. The AVP is a great way to do it when your employer won’t subsidize daily instantaneous trips half-way around the world. If your health and the boost in productivity isn’t worth $3500 to you, then you need a better paying job.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jo-1
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.