No it’s not like a house because I don’t let people in
That’s the difference I wouldn’t say to people you can come in but hey pal if you need the loo then go else where
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Apple Appeals EU Digital Markets Act Interoperability Rules
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That’s the difference I wouldn’t say to people you can come in but hey pal if you need the loo then go else where
No it’s like saying you can come in but if you need the loo then go else where.
So what are the EU telling apple to do
What things is it?
Hardware?
Designs of products?
Chips?
Free iPhones?
So what kind of stuff is it and what is it used for?
You may not let people in but the analogy is valid.
Any entity can use apples ip for free.
Well as it’s seems to be. You sold the house to someone else… so it’s kind of up to them to decide what they do. If they let a stranger live in their guest room you can’t have any say over it.
Apple owns the AppStore.
Apple owns iPhones
Apple owns iOS
… but Apple doesn’t own the iPhones sold with iOS as a package deal
Perfectly reasonable. Ever heard of "restrooms are for customers only?"
Giving access to software features that Apple uses to differentiate its products from competitors' products. Things like AirDrop (EU is demanding that Apple proprietary iOS feature be made available on Android Apps), App Store (you can use Apple's API's and don't have to pay for them anymore), advanced connectivity features, etc.
Apple owns iOS and the APIs that the apps use to function. If Apple took away the ability for developers to use Apple's property, developers' apps would break. So Apple should be able to be compensated for said use of property in a way that they prefer.
Again, if developers don't like it, they can go to the other platform that has 72% marketshare. No one is forced to write an app for iOS.
Nah mate so your going to invite people in your house and let them stay but if they need the loo then you would say beat it you can go use the toilets 10 minutes down the road & then come back?
Are you ready the reason why apple doesn’t let 3rd parties have access to this software features is so they have an deliberate advantage over the competition on the platform
And that’s not about design or hardware or chips.
Again that is certain peoples attitude when it comes to apple if companies or developers or people don’t like it there is android
This is such an odd take as it’s just a company and nothing else
Apple have tried to do this for the last 17 years and not succeeded. Apple hasn’t been able to prevent iPhone users from installing unauthorized software either by legal means.
So I would go on a lim and wager it stopped being apples property when I walked out the store with a freshly purchased iPhone in my hand.
Either by jailbreaking, using developer certificates or using my own to install unauthorized apps since the iPhone 3G days.
Well if Apple wants to do that perhaps they should start renting out the devices instead of selling them and provide a proper TOS agreement before signing it
While I disagree with your premise, if I clearly stated the bathroom rule up front, and people signed an agreement saying they understood and agreed that they wouldn't use my bathroom, then as far as I am concerned that's perfectly fine.
Again, I see nothing wrong with that. Apple built the platform, they get to set the rules. If you don't like it, then leave! And in this case we're arguing about, Apple still allows the competitors devices to work! Just not giving away a nicer version for free.
Property is property. And taking property is wrong. It's wrong if it happens to a person, and it's still wrong if it happens to a company.
Edit to add: I think this argument has completely run its course, so I'm taking the opportunity to step out and disengage from this thread. I'm sure I'll see everyone in the next thread.
Unless yourself the house afterwards 😉
Well property is property, and so is it your and my property that Apple tries to steel from us when we purchased in fair and square.
If I purchase the phone or burger then how I use the product aught be of no concern to Apple.
This whole thread is odd as it’s just a company like Nike or ford
Why are people taking this personally
Nobody would care if Umbro stopped making football kits for your favourite team
The issue is a company is being forced to share its intellectual property as if it didn’t own it - same as if you were forced to share your home.
But people would care if the run forced them to share their dwelling with any body who wants it.
In typical me fashion, I'll chime in after saying I'm done to answer this, then step out again.
The reason I care about this:
1) I firmly believe laws like this will result in worse technology, less innovation, and worse products for everyone
2) I firmly believe laws like this do not take user experience or what is best for users into consideration at all
3) I firmly believe laws like this are worse for privacy and security for the vast majority of users (see point 2)
4) I firmly believe the government should not be dictating how OSes work, how peripherals connect, what ports are allowed. The market and the companies participating in said market are going to do a much better job than bureaucrats
5) I am upset that my preference for a closed ecosystem is being taken away from me (at least in the EU). I don't think it's fair that I'm not allowed to have my preference just because a bunch of people can't be bothered to use Android when it offers what they want.
6) I absolutely don't think the government should be declaring "you can only have a closed ecosystem if it's not popular." That is government picking winners and losers, and the government should not be doing that.
So what if apple are told to give access to software features for better connectivity
It’s not going to harm a normal person when buying headphones
So what if apple are forced to let 3rd parties have better access to the operating system
It’s just a company just like Nike that’s all.
Well on point 2: I hope to he’s brackets when you heave read the impact report from 2020 and related sources that was the foundation for the regulation 😎
Exactly. Apple was told to give access. As noted in the wsj the DMA is a symptom of a lack of innovation. The eu is playing Robin Hood with Apple assets.
As surferfb noted every reason the DMA is crap legislation. It’s just lousy regulation that’s all with a backdrop theta synonymous with the innovation issues the eu is having.
I’ve read it. It started from the assumption that the law was needed, begged the question to determine that the law was needed, and didn’t seriously consider the possibility that consumers benefit from and actually prefer Apple’s ecosystem.
It did not do a cost benefit analysis. There was no serious exploration of the benefits of closed, integrated ecosystems, and it did not weigh benefits against the proposed regulatory burden. It also focused on competition rather than on consumer outcomes like price, innovation, or user satisfaction.
It also did not engage in a neutral exploration of whether intervention was needed. It operated from the assumption that gatekeeper behavior was inherently problematic, and didn’t investigate whether regulation would improve outcomes for consumers.
In short, it was a sham designed to justify the actions that the EC had already decided it was going to take. And we know this for a fact because the law’s text leaked before the impact assessment was complete! It was not done in good faith and the entire DMA is tainted because of it.
if the EU has having such innovation issues as you claim because of the DMA
Then can you point to any other country in the world apart from china
That iOS & android don’t dominate in mobile
If you were of the silly notion that apple where more than just a company which is bizarre then one could easily frame an argument to justify said outcome
However its just silly that individuals are complaining about companies getting better access to the OS it’s just odd
People don’t act this way about companies you buy food from.
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The eu motto is: “regulate, don’t innovate”.
People act “this way” wrt to govt regulation. The company is not relevant. However MR is Apple focused forum.
If the EU as you claim is regulate, don’t innovate
then can you name me another country apart from china where iOS & android has competition if the EU is stifling innovation
Just name one country.
There is nothing wrong with buying products from any company but there is a difference when a bells the company get regulated you don’t here wee Timmy should this is government overreach it’s not fair I’m having to pay more for my product I like
You know there is more to innovation than “how many mobile OSes there are”, right? That regulations can stifle innovation inside of existing companies? Or make it so it’s not worthwhile to bother investing in good ideas?
I dislike Meta and think the DMA actions against Meta are arguably worse than the actions against Apple. We’ve already seen Google’s users think the law is making Google worse. I don’t use Google, but I agree with the users in both links above that the new “DMA compliant” Google sounds worse for end users.
It’s not a bad law because “it attacks Apple.” It is a bad law, period.
The wsj and other observers have already thrown their hat into the ring with “regulate not innovate”
So your saying due to this regulation prices of Apple equipment will go up?
So again where is the innovation in other countries apart from china if the EU is so bad then where is this innovation in Cambodia for example?
Some say that being able to buy guns is a bad law