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Yeah, and we're all using bluetooth ... across endless devices, to connect and interoperate with each other!

Thank god that's not vendor locked!
If Apple had removed bluetooth pairing in favor of a proprietary solution entirely I might agree here (although I suspect no headphone jack + must use Apple headphones would lose them more iPhone sales than sales of AirPods/Beats they would gain). But they left the existing standard - just put their improved version on top of it. That's how this should work.

Not to mention, Apple did eventually roll improved pairing out to everyone. I also probably could support some sort of "Apple can keep new features exclusive for ~5 years but then must open the API" compromise. But the EU has completely removed the incentive for Apple to include those sorts of features anymore. Why would they bother spending millions of dollars of R&D just to give it to their competitors for free? It completely changes the ROI calculation, and now Apple has to decide whether 1) give features away for free 2) pay for the extra overhead of forking the feature for the EU version or 3) not making the feature for anyone because the ROI is not worth it to do #1 or #2.
 
Apple argues the requirements force it to share sensitive user data with competitors, creating security risks. The company specifically highlighted requests from rivals seeking access to notification content and complete WiFi network histories – data that "even Apple doesn't see."
I’d love apple to name and shame these companies so I know who to avoid.
 
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It will most likely affect Apple in all countries.

Similar to California forcing mandates on the rest of the US, the EU mandates will probably be pushed everywhere.

It's not cost effective for a company to fragment their designs among different countries.

It will be interesting to see Apple's response when major markets have opposing requirements / laws.

At the moment there seems to be "EU" and "non-EU" versions of things. I'm grateful we're in the "non-EU" side along with Australia, Canada and the United States.
 
I still can't figure out what people do with this.

The only thing I've enjoyed and used from it so far in 2025 is the phone notifications coming over.

I find the actual "interacting" with the phone way more cumbersome than just picking up my phone sitting on my desk right next to me.
Dunno, because I haven’t been able to try it
 
That's called competition!

It's like saying "Bose owns the best noise canceling algorithm and is using it to deliberately give their products an advantage over the competitors by only making their noise cancelation algorithm available for their own products".

Software integration is just another feature. Saying Apple has to allow others to integrate with Apple's software just the same way, for free is just as wrong as saying Bose has to give everyone their noise cancellation algorithm to everyone for free.

The issue throughout -- and I'm not saying there are easy answers -- is that 'software integration' obviously stops being 'just another feature' when you control the dominant hardware and operating system platforms, such as Apple and Google, and then also want to sell other products that have to tie in with that platform.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but no one is actually saying that Bose has to make their noise cancellation algorithm available to competitors and neither does Apple have to make its algorithm for the Airpods Pro available to anyone else -- free or otherwise.

Neither can or should we expect Bose to create a smartphone platform just so they can provide additional convenience features to sell their headphones, which is the business they're actually in. That's the thing with 'ecosystems,' they slowly and gradually push people out.

Exactly. And why bluetooth pair sucked for decades until Apple came around and fixed it for their devices. But in the future, if Apple fixes another pain point like that, they have to give it away to everyone. So we're now counting on Apple's good will to solve problems without being able to recoup its investment.

Especially since all of the pro DMA people keep telling me Apple doesn't care about users at all and just profits, why would they bother spending millions to fix a small pain point if they can't use it to differentiate their products? That's pretty much doing R&D for all of their competitors for them.

There is absolutely an element of truth in that and hence I don't think there's an easy solution, but conversely it's becoming less and less appealing for many consumers to buy anything -- whether it's headphones, smartwatches etc -- outside of their ecosystem because key functions are just cordoned off. I know it's fashionable to say on this site that this is justified because Apple worked hard to create their ecosystem and others should just do the same, but that's neither desirable nor feasible, and hence if we want to maintain a certain level playing field then there need to be limits to what platform providers such as Apple, Google or Samsung can do.

In the long run, walled garden ecosystems will just as much kill innovation because there's equally no incentive to spend money on R&D if people are locked in, even if it's a 'soft lock.'
 
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I still can't figure out what people do with this.

The only thing I've enjoyed and used from it so far in 2025 is the phone notifications coming over.

I find the actual "interacting" with the phone way more cumbersome than just picking up my phone sitting on my desk right next to me.
I barely use it, and when I want to use it I either have to reconnect it, or get remembered by the fact you can’t be more than ~5m away.
 
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In the long run, walled garden ecosystems will just as much kill innovation because there's equally no incentive to spend money on R&D if people are locked in, even if it's a 'soft lock.'
The above is a shareholder and board problem. Not a government problem. Having said that walled gardens will increase innovation as companies have to work harder to retain customers.
 
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Please let Apple release iPhone mirroring on macOS just like it was intended. Apple’s secret sauce is their tight integration, the ecosystem.


While EU costumers are happy to now be able to use a standard charging port such as USB-C, thanks to the push of EU, sometimes I think they’re going too far. And iPhone screen mirroring is fundamentally a continuity/handoff feature (never knew the difference between them).
In this case, just ask Apple to release screen mirroring in EU. Or do you really believe Apple's stupid excuse, the restriction had something to do with EU rule?
I can't remember since when I have been using Samsung's screen mirroring on Windows (maybe 4 or 6 or more years), but guess what: I live in EU and it just works without any security issues.
 
In this case, just ask Apple to release screen mirroring in EU. Or do you really believe Apple's stupid excuse, the restriction had something to do with EU rule?
If it doesn’t, then why restrict one key feature of macOS Sequoia on the EU, then appeal to the EU in order to let them release it on the EU?

I can't remember since when I have been using Samsung's screen mirroring on Windows (maybe 4 or 6 or more years), but guess what: I live in EU and it just works without any security issues.
Oh, then what you’re proposing is to just let other companies reflect their Android UI on the Mac like the iPhone does?. But I think this is done from the Mac itself, right? They should code the interface of thousands of Android models to fit and run properly on macOS… and that sounds like a headache, honestly.
 
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The EU is literally telling Apple that AirPlay and AirDrop have to work on other companies' devices. A blatant theft of Apple's IP and features it developed to differentiate itself from said competitors.
If Apple had also implemented non proprietary protocols like VNC and Bluetooth Object Exchange Protocol (OBEX), respectively, maybe they wouldn't be in trouble under EU DMA rules.
 
When you have a consortium, you have to accommodate the lowest common denominator. This is the reason why it's possible to have 30+ types of usb-c cables. Meanwhile, only 2 types of lightning cables exist.
IEEE is a non-profit, charitable scientific technology standards organization with the motto “Advancing Technology for Humanity.” I don’t understand your reply. What standards are utilized are up to product manufacturers (I.e. Bluetooth(IEE 802.15.1), Wi-Fi 7 (IEEE 802.11be), etc.) My original post was that a similar, but more defined standards definition be offered for OS to peripheral open communications such as for mobile to watch, headphones, tv’s, etc. that do not wall off devices or create ‘ecosystems’. This is exactly what happened with the forced USB-C standards adoption with the iPhone. Arguably, Apple’s initial refusal to adopt standard charging interfaces and data transfer protocols is what started this whole mess for them in the EU in the first place.
 
The issue throughout -- and I'm not saying there are easy answers -- is that 'software integration' obviously stops being 'just another feature' when you control the dominant hardware and operating system platforms, such as Apple and Google, and then also want to sell other products that have to tie in with that platform.
I'd argue that having one platform (that has over 70% of the market) that allows any and all integration and one smaller player that doesn't meets the needs of consumers without requiring government intervention, but obviously reasonable people feel differently on that.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but no one is actually saying that Bose has to make their noise cancellation algorithm available to competitors and neither does Apple have to make its algorithm for the Airpods Pro available to anyone else -- free or otherwise.

Neither can or should we expect Bose to create a smartphone platform just so they can provide additional convenience features to sell their headphones, which is the business they're actually in. That's the thing with 'ecosystems,' they slowly and gradually push people out.
Agree to an extent here, but in my opinion, that's just the government interference in the free market. It's "deciding" that Apple isn't allowed to differentiate its products using arguably its (arguably) strongest selling point, just because the EU says so. I think we'd all agree that if the EU said "Apple can't copyright its hardware designs because it's not fair its products are so much more attractive than other companies'. Therefore any company can copy the iPhone's physical appearance" it would be a huge overreach, but I'd argue that's exactly what they're doing here - just for software design.

I'm going to use an absurd example to argue my point, so bear with me. Suppose Apple develops a neural input technology that allows users wearing AirPods to control their iPhone with subtle facial movements. It’s especially life-changing for users with physical disabilities, and Apple spends billions miniaturizing the sensors into AirPods and building secure software integration with iOS. Because it's deeply integrated into iOS and literally reads your mind, it is designed to only work with AirPods paired with iPhones for stability, latency, battery, and privacy reasons.

Under the DMA, Apple would be required to open this new technology to any third-party headphones that asks even if:
  • The third party didn’t invest one cent in the underlying research.
  • The third party hardware is less secure or doesn't work as well as Apple's. (Apple isn't allowed to block it from Meta or Google devices that literally read your mind to serve you ads)
  • Apple’s unique experience is degraded by lower-quality integrations. (In other words, people blame Apple for the feature not working well or killing battery life, when the fault is actually Samsung/Bose/Whoever's device using Apple's technology).
Oh, and now Apple bears support, compatibility, and regulatory burdens for this new system. It can't change APIs to make them better for AirPods users if the change breaks third party hardware, for example. So the reward for years of R&D isn’t a new moat, it’s an obligation to build competitors a bridge and continue to maintain the bridge for them. In what world is that fair?

There is absolutely an element of truth in that and hence I don't think there's an easy solution, but conversely it's becoming less and less appealing for many consumers to buy anything -- whether it's headphones, smartwatches etc -- outside of their ecosystem because key functions are just cordoned off. I know it's fashionable to say on this site that this is justified because Apple worked hard to create their ecosystem and others should just do the same, but that's neither desirable nor feasible, and hence if we want to maintain a certain level playing field then there need to be limits to what platform providers such as Apple, Google or Samsung can do.

In the long run, walled garden ecosystems will just as much kill innovation because there's equally no incentive to spend money on R&D if people are locked in, even if it's a 'soft lock.'
I disagree. Apple has a strong competitor that has over 70% of the market worldwide. The idea that Apple isn't going spend on R&D and just rest on its laurels while Android devices get more and more capable is just not a realistic argument. And even if it WAS the case, Apple would start losing customers. If you believe people who post on MacRumors, they're already losing customers who were huge fans because of their supposed recent "lack of innovation."
 
IEEE is a non-profit, charitable scientific technology standards organization with the motto “Advancing Technology for Humanity.” I don’t understand your reply. What standards are utilized are up to product manufacturers (I.e. Bluetooth(IEE 802.15.1), Wi-Fi 7 (IEEE 802.11be), etc.)
You asked "what is wrong with that approach to interoperability?".

IEEE has stakeholders to answer to. Many stakeholders advocated for keeping around 2.4Ghz so IEEE did. But microwaves/Bluetooth/older networks causes interference on this spectrum. If it was Apple, they would have advocated for dropping support 2.4Ghz much earlier. Now we have billions of devices more that still uses 2.4Ghz which billions of customers are stuck with a subpar experience. A single company that focuses on UX with tighter control can push adoption of new technology much faster than having a democratic consortium who refuses to adopt newer aspects of technology either due to ignorance or cost issues with their suppliers.

My original post was that a similar, but more defined standards definition be offered for OS to peripheral open communications such as for mobile to watch, headphones, tv’s, etc. that do not wall off devices or create ‘ecosystems’. This is exactly what happened with the forced USB-C standards adoption with the iPhone.

I literally explained why this is bad.
 
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DMA is not a policy to support Users. There is no U of user or C of consumer ANYWHERE in that law. Only the M for market. Which means this is pure protectionism of European companies that can't compete with American companies. Again NO EU company is a "gatekeeper" according to the EU, even though some should absolutely be one.

And if you think "protecionism" isn't bad. It's actually illegal under EU law, a country isn't allowed to give market protection to a company. This would end in large fines from the EC (European Comission). But using this legislation they have reworked this "protection" into a new law.
Just like GDPR doesn't protect citizens privacy, because other legislation easily tramples it.
I wonder what European company EPIC is 🤔. Or the millions of non European developers and companies that can tsk advantage of this in the European market.
And you are aware the GDPR dictates consent is required to collect and use your data? This includes when you go to hospitals or government offices or any other private information that is collected about you.

It can obviously be improved.
Some changes might be better. Others would not be.

Is this a better situation?

“The company specifically highlighted requests from rivals seeking access to notification content and complete WiFi network histories – data that ‘even Apple doesn't see.’”

Sounds like that would open up a lot more data mining about users. That's not a consumer-friendly part of the law.

One problem with large, sweeping bills like the DMA is while aspects might be needed, there will be many negative unintended (or intended) consequences.

We already know companies like Spotify had the opportunity to offer input to the EU about what could be in the DMA. On one hand, that makes sense because Spotify understands technology better than random politicians, but they also compete with Apple and Google with music streaming. What this means is there were opportunities for companies to offer what amounted to a wish list from Apple that would benefit their company’s bottom line and not necessarily consumers.

I’m not saying Apple is without fault or doesn’t want to increase profits. What I’m saying is hopefully this process of court cases results in an improved DMA and improvements for consumers. Right now it’s unclear what will be a net benefit for consumers years down the road.
If Apple doesn’t have access to information then they’ve got zero obligation to make that information available as well.
The EU is literally telling Apple that AirPlay and AirDrop have to work on other companies' devices. A blatant theft of Apple's IP and features it developed to differentiate itself from said competitors.
Can you again show in this document where it states: free to use?
Is Apple prevented from licensing under FRAND?

How is apples differentiation hampered if other headphone manufacturers, tv manufacturers, smart speakers etc can more seamlessly communicate with iPhone devices?

How will the ability of iOS users to connect with chromecast or Miracast or other protocols in place of AirPlay steeling their ip?
I suspect the number of users who want alternate app stores and sideloading is mindnumbling small. Those aren't frequently used features on Android, which has long been the choice for those who want "open" software. I imagine the vast, vast majority of iOS users prefer the status quo, that is safe, secure, and convenient.

People like us who comment on MacRumors and are technically proficient are a tiny minority of Apple's users.
Well if that’s the case then absolutely nothing will change and no harm can be done as nobody wants to use AppStore alternatives 🤷‍♂️
 
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The issue throughout -- and I'm not saying there are easy answers -- is that 'software integration' obviously stops being 'just another feature' when you control the dominant hardware and operating system platforms, such as Apple and Google, and then also want to sell other products that have to tie in with that platform.

I think the actual problem is that it’s a very poorly written law. There’s no MVP defined, leading to “requests from rivals seeking access to notification content and complete WiFi network histories – data that “even Apple doesn't see.”” Which in turn then leads to them saying no, trickling further to companies complaining Apple isn’t compliant.

Without a minimum viable product, why not ask for everything? If the EU isn’t going to define it, then Apple should, and they should do so in a manner that makes the EU say no - like truly do the minimum. I guess, staying on something that may be important… smart watches. They should be able to take phone calls like an Apple Watch, they should be able to install equivalent apps that operate with iOS versions (this would be on the app developer, not Apple, to ensure) and they should be able to do texts at a minimum, though iMessage shouldn’t be impossible as my car can send them since it’s just passing data to my iPhone anyway.
 
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And why is that wrong? Microsoft Word is different from Google Doc. Microsoft Windows has different features than Linux. That is what competition is about; creating unique features that promote the sales of your product. For example, Video Game consoles have games that are unique to their platform in order to help sell their product. Apple is doing the same.
Because there is a big difference
As apple make the OS
They are then selling products like AirPods that give them a distinct advantage over the competitors and it’s got nothing to do with the quality of the product
 
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