Apple Asks All U.S. Employees to Share Vaccination Status, Still No Mandate

[jk73]

Roosevelt did, and it got the smallpox vaccine out to millions of people in this country 115 years ago.

LOL.

Smallpox had a 30% fatality rate, or roughly 150 times that of Covid.

A forced-vaccination campaign would likely have a higher fatality rate than Covid itself, given the number of guns in the hands of the unvaccinated.

I happen to know the history of the laws in this country, where others apparently do not; various posts in this thread show that, including the past 2-5.

“Never quote laws to men holding swords.”

I'm fully vaccinated, thank you very much, per mandate for working at Intel as well as our state's Department of Public Health. And while the sentiment is appreciated, the naivety shown in deference to "my body/my choice" is makes your suggestion neither desired nor required.

BL.

You’re fully vaccinated? What does that matter? 40% of the Covid cases in many New York counties are also fully vaccinated.

 

[avz]

And that has what to do with it being your "your body/your choice" to get vaccinated, when SCOTUS has ruled that you can be legally required - if not forced - to be vaccinated?

Ahh, yes.. that's right: nothing.

BL.

I don’t think you are understanding the full implication of the situation, otherwise you would not be so excited about having “no choice”.

The combined global debt is three times bigger than what all humans can possibly produce. With this in mind, yes, people have no rights at all. Period.

But wait, global debt is just a conspiracy talk, it doesn’t exist in real life and has no real bearing on economy, right?

 

[bradl]

I don’t think you are understanding the full implication of the situation, otherwise you would not be so excited about having “no choice”.

Oh, I definitely understand. That is the beauty of having the system of government that we have, so we can limit what the government can do so we can have a choice. It is also that same beauty that lets rulings like these become public knowledge so we can see what rights and choices we do have, and the limits to what those rights and choices are, and adjust our ways of life to suit, including creating laws that can guarantee such rights.

Jacobson showed that our rights do have limits; D.C. vs. Heller did the same, regarding the 2A. The list goes on and on on that, including the full implications of those rulings. We may not like the slippery slope from those rulings, but that is where Congress comes in to fix the laws so that slope no longer exists.

BL.

 

[avz]

Oh, I definitely understand. That is the beauty of having the system of government that we have, so we can limit what the government can do so we can have a choice. It is also that same beauty that lets rulings like these become public knowledge so we can see what rights and choices we do have, and the limits to what those rights and choices are, and adjust our ways of life to suit, including creating laws that can guarantee such rights.

Jacobson showed that our rights do have limits; D.C. vs. Heller did the same, regarding the 2A. The list goes on and on on that, including the full implications of those rulings. We may not like the slippery slope from those rulings, but that is where Congress comes in to fix the laws so that slope no longer exists.

BL.

Unfortunately the “slippery slope” was some 100 years ago.

I am glad that you are happy to adjust your life to the level of Great Depression in order to keep the system that guarantees you some sort of rights. Enjoy.

 

[bradl]

Unfortunately the “slippery slope” was some 100 years ago.

In which that slippery slope still carries over to today, as Jacobson was reaffirmed a good 7 times since 1905, and affects us all today.

I am glad that you are happy to adjust your life to the level of Great Depression in order to keep the system that guarantees you some sort of rights. Enjoy.

Again, it is all of us, as we've accepted it from 115 years ago. You can't blame me or anyone else for not doing anything about it when they had the chance 7 SCOTUS cases ago. That's on the elected officials, not me.

BL.

 

[avz]

In which that slippery slope still carries over to today, as Jacobson was reaffirmed a good 7 times since 1905, and affects us all today.



Again, it is all of us, as we've accepted it from 115 years ago. You can't blame me or anyone else for not doing anything about it when they had the chance 7 SCOTUS cases ago. That's on the elected officials, not me.

BL.

I was just trying to understand why are you seem so happy to wave that “no choice” banner.
We are all in a position where we have to fight for every single “choice” we can get. This fight will benefit every single one of us in the long run.
The “I’m just doing my job, man” attitude is what got us in this mess to begin with.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Roosevelt did, and it got the smallpox vaccine out to millions of people in this country 115 years ago.



I happen to know the history of the laws in this country, where others apparently do not; various posts in this thread show that, including the past 2-5.



I'm fully vaccinated, thank you very much, per mandate for working at Intel as well as our state's Department of Public Health. And while the sentiment is appreciated, the naivety shown in deference to "my body/my choice" is makes your suggestion neither desired nor required.

BL.

Still in the nations Capitol, unvaccinated. Still not a single denial of entry.

 

[nathansz]

Still in the nations Capitol, unvaccinated. Still not a single denial of entry.

not sure why you keep going on about this

no one has said that you are going to be denied entry anywhere for being unvaccinated

what has been said is that IF your are you will have no legal recourse but to comply

you aren’t proving anything by constantly bragging about going around unvaccinated other than that you are a selfish person that doesn’t care about the health and safety of your community

 

[A MacBook lover]

not sure why you keep going on about this

no one has said that you are going to be denied entry anywhere for being unvaccinated

what has been said is that IF your are you will have no legal recourse but to comply

you aren’t proving anything by constantly bragging about going around unvaccinated other than that you are a selfish person that doesn’t care about the health and safety of your community

How is it selfish? Everyone else is vaccinated, it’s doesn’t effect them…right?

 

[nathansz]

How is it selfish? Everyone else is vaccinated, it’s doesn’t effect them…right?

it's impossible to know for certain if you are being deliberately obtuse or actually still don't understand how viruses and vaccines work. either way it's quite frankly exhausting

 

[jk73]

you aren’t proving anything by constantly bragging about going around unvaccinated other than that you are a selfish person that doesn’t care about the health and safety of your community

“My seatbelt doesn’t work unless you wear your seatbelt.”

If you’re worried about the unvaxxed, just wear a second mask. That should solve the problem, according to “the science.”

 

[bradl]

“My seatbelt doesn’t work unless you wear your seatbelt.”

If you’re worried about the unvaxxed, just wear a second mask. That should solve the problem, according to “the science.”

while leaving the unvaccinated left to infect and reinfect others, perpetuating the problem, which solves nothing..

..which leads to Biden setting the mandate for 100 million people, like he did today.

But hey, your body/your choice, right?

BL.

 

[nathansz]

“My seatbelt doesn’t work unless you wear your seatbelt.”

If you’re worried about the unvaxxed, just wear a second mask. That should solve the problem, according to “the science.”

vaccines aren’t seatbelts. that’s a terrible and nonsensical analogy

like the other poster, you’re either being deliberately obtuse or don’t even remotely understand how viruses and vaccines work

your second sentence doesn’t make any kind of sense at all

 

[jk73]

while leaving the unvaccinated left to infect and reinfect others, perpetuating the problem, which solves nothing..

..which leads to Biden setting the mandate for 100 million people, like he did today.

But hey, your body/your choice, right?

BL.

No, no, no. Either the vaccines work or they don’t. Either natural immunity exists after having Covid or it doesn’t. You people are very selective when it comes to “the science.”

 

[jk73]

your second sentence doesn’t make any kind of sense at all

It absolutely does. If masks work, then there’s no difference between two people wearing one mask each or one person wearing two masks and the other person wearing none.

 

[bradl]

No, no, no. Either the vaccines work or they don’t. Either natural immunity exists after having Covid or it doesn’t. You people are very selective when it comes to “the science.”

Either you get vaccinated to reduce the symptoms and affects of the virus, or get the full affects of the virus and become a carrier, or wind up with a serious case of dead. You people are very selective when it comes to "the science".

It absolutely does. If masks work, then there’s no difference between two people wearing one mask each or one person wearing two masks and the other person wearing none.

Except for the fact that the person wearing none and has COVID is now a carrier of COVID, and can infect others, regardless of if another person wears one or a million masks. That is the telling lack you are refusing to see, let alone understand the concepts of exponential growth.

BL.

 

[jk73]

Either you get vaccinated to reduce the symptoms and affects of the virus, or get the full affects of the virus and become a carrier, or wind up with a serious case of dead. You people are very selective when it comes to "the science".

This barely qualifies as gibberish. If the vaccines work, why does the CDC want fully vaccinated people to wear masks?

Except for the fact that the person wearing none and has COVID is now a carrier of COVID, regardless of if another person wears one or a million masks. That is the telling lack you are refusing to see.

BL.

More gibberish. If masks and vaccines work, who cares if the unmasked cretin has Covid? You’re doubly protected, right?

 

[A MacBook lover]

while leaving the unvaccinated left to infect and reinfect others, perpetuating the problem, which solves nothing..

..which leads to Biden setting the mandate for 100 million people, like he did today.

But hey, your body/your choice, right?

BL.

But vaccinated are spreading the disease. Are you implying it will magically go away if everyone is vaccinate? We both know this isn’t true. So what are we solving?

 

[nathansz]

But vaccinated are spreading the disease. Are you implying it will magically go away if everyone is vaccinate? We both know this isn’t true. So what are we solving?

no one said anything is magic

if one is vaccinated they are LESS LIKELY to become infected and if they do are LESS LIKELY to spread the virus

so the more people that are
vaccinated the less the virus is able to spread

the less the virus spreads the less it is able to mutate in to stronger strains

it’s actually incredibly simple and has been explained countless times in this thread, other threads on this forum, and around the world generally

whether you are refusing to believe this simple concept or lack the cognitive function to do so one can only speculate

 

[nathansz]

This barely qualifies as gibberish. If the vaccines work, why does the CDC want fully vaccinated people to wear masks?



More gibberish. If masks and vaccines work, who cares if the unmasked cretin has Covid? You’re doubly protected, right?

if one is vaccinated they are LESS LIKELY to become infected and if they do are LESS LIKELY to spread the virus

if one wear a mask they are LESS LIKELY to transmit the virus

so the more people that are
vaccinated and the more people that wear masks, the less the virus is able to spread

the less the virus spreads the less it is able to mutate in to stronger strains

it’s actually incredibly simple and has been explained countless times,
directly to you, in this thread, other threads on this forum, and around the world generally

whether you are refusing to believe this simple concept or lack the cognitive function to do so one can only speculate

 

[nathansz]

It absolutely does. If masks work, then there’s no difference between two people wearing one mask each or one person wearing two masks and the other person wearing none.

wow.

this is priceless

i’m screenshoting this one or else no one will believe me that anyone can be so naive and/or disingenuous

 

[mclld]

And they said Trump was a fascist, Nazi etc LOL

I wonder if Biden will use Trumps Storm
Troopers to stop dissenters

 

[I7guy]

But vaccinated are spreading the disease. Are you implying it will magically go away if everyone is vaccinate? We both know this isn’t true. So what are we solving?

That's a disingenuous argument. Because something either doesn't work 100% or is a slow process, we shouldn't be doing it at all?

 

[A MacBook lover]

That's a disingenuous argument. Because something either doesn't work 100% or is a slow process, we shouldn't be doing it at all?

I mean, if it was so effective, why did vaccine manufacturers use relative risk reduction to determine that vaccine efficacy is ~90+%, they should have used absolute risk reduction which would tell us that the vaccines will only reduce total covid cases by ~1%: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext

This video from 2013 explains the difference between relative and absolute risk reduction in a very simple way:

So, why would they use relative risk reduction saying it’s 90% effective? This is false advertising, and misleading. Not like these vaccine manufacturers have never been accused of misleading advertising, right?

Also, if the side effects are so low, the vaccine manufacturers would stand by their product.

If the vaccines are as safe as they say they are, then there will be very few payouts/lawsuits, right?

But that's not what they're doing. The manufacturers are not standing by their product. They are shielded from all liability and won't take responsibility. They want you to take all the risk while they reap billions in profits or else you're selfish person.

If you have any questions you can reply to this post. Have a great day.

 

[ipponrg]

So, why would they use relative risk reduction saying it’s 90% effective? This is false advertising, and misleading. Not like these vaccine manufacturers have never been accused of misleading advertising, right?

I think you are focused too much on rhetorics that don’t support your cause. At this point, it should be expected that we will all at some point be exposed to covid.

Can you answer these questions without throwing strawman deflections? How many deaths or serious hospitalizations have there been in the following scenarios?

1. Vaccinated with covid
2. Unvaccinated with covid