Apple Asks All U.S. Employees to Share Vaccination Status, Still No Mandate

[I7guy]

I mean, if it was so effective, why did vaccine manufacturers use relative risk reduction to determine that vaccine efficacy is ~90+%, they should have used absolute risk reduction which would tell us that the vaccines will only reduce total covid cases by ~1%: [...]

Because you are misunderstanding the totality of the data and therefore concluding incorrectly.

So, why would they use relative risk reduction saying it’s 90% effective? This is false advertising, and misleading. Not like these vaccine manufacturers have never been accused of misleading advertising, right?

Typical all or nothing. Because something happened in the past, use that justification to form a conclusion in the here and now.

Also, if the side effects are so low, the vaccine manufacturers would stand by their product.

All medicines have side effects.

If the vaccines are as safe as they say they are, then there will be very few payouts/lawsuits, right?

So no vaccine ever has ever had a side effect on anyone??

But that's not what they're doing. The manufacturers are not standing by their product. They are shielded from all liability and won't take responsibility. They want you to take all the risk while they reap billions in profits or else you're selfish person.

In this case the government did the right thing. This was an emergency. People surely are free to opt-out but if the opt-outers wind up by getting covid and have to be hospitalized, their medical coverage should deny coverage. I believe that is fair to all.

If you have any questions you can reply to this post. Have a great day.

You have a great day as well.

 

[jk73]

no one said anything is magic

if one is vaccinated they are LESS LIKELY to become infected and if they do are LESS LIKELY to spread the virus

so the more people that are
vaccinated the less the virus is able to spread

the less the virus spreads the less it is able to mutate in to stronger strains

it’s actually incredibly simple and has been explained countless times in this thread, other threads on this forum, and around the world generally

whether you are refusing to believe this simple concept or lack the cognitive function to do so one can only speculate

Would the flu have disappeared if everyone had gotten the flu shot in 2015?

You people like to scream about science but you don’t seem to understand the basics.

 

[jk73]

wow.

this is priceless

i’m screenshoting this one or else no one will believe me that anyone can be so naive and/or disingenuous

No, it was 100% true. Either masks work or they don’t.

 

[jk73]

I think you are focused too much on rhetorics that don’t support your cause. At this point, it should be expected that we will all at some point be exposed to covid.

Can you answer these questions without throwing strawman deflections? How many deaths or serious hospitalizations have there been in the following scenarios?

1. Vaccinated with covid
2. Unvaccinated with covid

The highest-risk unvaccinated with Covid were wiped out in 2020, which makes the vaccines seem much more effective than they really are. Why do you think they’re already pushing boosters after as few as 5 months?

 

[A MacBook lover]

Because you are misunderstanding the totality of the data and therefore concluding incorrectly.

What?

Typical all or nothing. Because something happened in the past, use that justification to form a conclusion in the here and now.

It’s called evidence, evidence can point to trends.

All medicines have side effects.

Most medicine have decades of research and have been on the market for a while.

In this case the government did the right thing. This was an emergency. People surely are free to opt-out but if the opt-outers wind up by getting covid and have to be hospitalized, their medical coverage should deny coverage. I believe that is fair to all.

I agree here, kinda. I think it’s fair. I shouldn’t expect coverage for a sickness I refused to vaccinate for. But forcing a vaccine (with mandates) makes zero sense, and is wrong.

Should we also show no sympathy or deny coverage to those who have either died or suffered permanent disabilities, blood clots, as a result of the vaccine, too?

Are we drawing political lines in the sand on who deserves care?

You have a great day as well.

Have a great day

 

[nathansz]

No, it was 100% true. Either masks work or they don’t.

that’s not how they work.

 

[nathansz]

Would the flu have disappeared if everyone had gotten the flu shot in 2015?

You people like to scream about science but you don’t seem to understand the basics.

again with the “you people”

covid isn’t the flu and no one said it will disappear

setting aside the fact that your comment has only the most tenuous connection to the comment you are responding to, its easy to think that maybe english isn’t your first language or you truly aren’t capable of comprehending any of this

but i suspect that you are just being intellectually dishonest and actually know that most of what you say is nonsense but just want to believe your narrative so bad you will never give up trying to defend it regardless of how foolish it makes you look

 

[fenderbass146]

That's the issue...surviving vs 100% back to normal. The two aren't the same.

You act like surviving is a real concern for the average person. Unvaccinated has a 99.5% survival rate and under 50 it's more like 99.95+%, vaccinated has 99.9995% surival rate and 99.99% effective at preventing hospitlizations. ~400 people under 18 have died almost all had prior health issues. Under 12 it's under 180. Bottom line, now that a vaccine is available, there is no reason we shouldn't be back to normal and anything else is extending a crisis for some other means.

 

[I7guy]

You act like surviving is a real concern for the average person. Unvaccinated has a 99.5% survival rate and under 50 it's more like 99.95+%, vaccinated has 99.9995% surival rate and 99.99% effective at preventing hospitlizations. ~400 people under 18 have died almost all had prior health issues. Under 12 it's under 180. Bottom line, now that a vaccine is available, there is no reason we shouldn't be back to normal and anything else is extending a crisis for some other means.

I think the average person has getting covid is a real concern. Surviving and surviving without after effects are two different things.

So by all accounts the pandemic is over at this point?

 

[jk73]

that’s not how they work.

It’s exactly how they work.

 

[jk73]

again with the “you people”

covid isn’t the flu and no one said it will disappear

setting aside the fact that your comment has only the most tenuous connection to the comment you are responding to, its easy to think that maybe english isn’t your first language or you truly aren’t capable of comprehending any of this

but i suspect that you are just being intellectually dishonest and actually know that most of what you say is nonsense but just want to believe your narrative so bad you will never give up trying to defend it regardless of how foolish it makes you look

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[jk73]

You act like surviving is a real concern for the average person. Unvaccinated has a 99.5% survival rate and under 50 it's more like 99.95+%, vaccinated has 99.9995% surival rate and 99.99% effective at preventing hospitlizations. ~400 people under 18 have died almost all had prior health issues. Under 12 it's under 180. Bottom line, now that a vaccine is available, there is no reason we shouldn't be back to normal and anything else is extending a crisis for some other means.

Exactly right.

 

[jk73]

I think the average person has getting covid is a real concern. Surviving and surviving without after effects are two different things.

So by all accounts the pandemic is over at this point?

It was always over for people who aren’t extremely old, extremely sick, and/or extremely fat. The whole thing has been nothing but a leftist power grab.

 

[I7guy]

It was always over for people who aren’t extremely old, extremely sick, and/or extremely fat. The whole thing has been nothing but a leftist power grab.

It's not as if the the younger set has nothing to worry about. https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

And it's difficult to tell if one has a preexisting, but hidden morbidity until one comes down with covid. So your conspiracy theory is just that.

 

[jk73]

It's not as if the the younger set has nothing to worry about. https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

And it's difficult to tell if one has a preexisting, but hidden morbidity until one comes down with covid. So your conspiracy theory is just that.

A “preexisting but hidden morbidity”?

You mean like those healthy 20-year-olds who were supposedly dropping dead from Covid while walking down the street?

That’s hilarious.

 

[I7guy]

What?

Correct, you are citing facts but the conclusion is not accurate.

It’s called evidence, evidence can point to trends.

Can is not the same as does.

Most medicine have decades of research and have been on the market for a while.

Sure what is the percentage of new medicines released against those that have been available for 100+ years.

I agree here, kinda. I think it’s fair. I shouldn’t expect coverage for a sickness I refused to vaccinate for. But forcing a vaccine (with mandates) makes zero sense, and is wrong.

Should we also show no sympathy or deny coverage to those who have either died or suffered permanent disabilities, blood clots, as a result of the vaccine, too?

Are we drawing political lines in the sand on who deserves care?

Have a great day

The percentage of people who have gotten sick permanently or died vs received the vaccine is minimal or de minimus. And while it's a terrible thing, society has to move forward to get itself out of this pandemic. So I'm glad you agree if you refuse the vaccine and you get covid and get hospitalized, then you should bear the cost of treatment.

 

[I7guy]

A “preexisting but hidden morbidity”?

You mean like those healthy 20-year-olds who were supposedly dropping dead from Covid while walking down the street?

That’s hilarious.

No "healthy" people who have died from covid and/or now have some permanent medical condition.

 

[jk73]

So I'm glad you agree if you refuse the vaccine and you get covid and get hospitalized, then you should bear the cost of treatment.

Should this apply to AIDS, too? Same principle, right?

 

[jk73]

No "healthy" people who have died from covid and/or now have some permanent medical condition.

Healthy people have died from the flu. Do we shut down the world for 18 months? No.

 

[I7guy]

Should this apply to AIDS, too? Same principle, right?

Is there a vaccine for aids?

Healthy people have died from the flu. Do we shut down the world for 18 months? No.

That's a deflection. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

 

[jk73]

Is there a vaccine for aids?

That’s embarrassingly dumb. Avoiding AIDS is a hell of a lot easier than avoiding Covid.

 

[I7guy]

That’s embarrassingly dumb. Avoiding AIDS is a hell of a lot easier than avoiding Covid.

I guess you agree that using AIDS as an example was a deflection.

 

[jk73]

I guess you agree that using AIDS as an example was a deflection.

Not at all.

If you don’t want an experimental vaccine, you should be forced to pay for your own medical care or even be denied medical care.

If you eat everything in sight and weigh 400 pounds, everyone else should help pay for your medical care.

If you engage in risky behavior and get AIDS, everyone else should help pay for your medical care.

Strange, huh?

 

[I7guy]

Not at all.

If you don’t want an experimental vaccine, you should be denied medical care.

If you eat everything in sight and weigh 400 pounds, everyone else should help pay for your medical care.

If you engage in risky behavior and get AIDS, everyone else should help pay for your medical care.

Strange, huh?

What experimental vaccine? Pfizer? I thought it was approved by the FDA? I'm sure the other two will be approved also.

It's not different than requiring vaccines for school age kids. Strange concept..huh?

Obesity is classified as a disorder so you've used the wrong example. However, obesity cannot be spread via droplets.

(If you want to use up your allotment of 10 disagrees within 24 hours on these posts, please feel free)

 

[jk73]

What experimental vaccine? Pfizer? I thought it was approved by the FDA? I'm sure the other two will be approved also.

None of these vaccines were approved when leftists started demanding mandates.

It's not different than requiring vaccines for school age kids. Strange concept..huh?

How many of those vaccines were developed in a matter of months and mandated before formal approval?

None.

But what was that you were saying about “deflection”?