Seems like a lot of whining from unsuccessful developers, who want a free pony. A successful developer would have already made more than $500 selling universal macOS apps, written off the rental price, and moved on.
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Apple Asks Developers to Return DTK Mac Minis in Exchange for $200 Credit Toward M1 Mac
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So, you just donated $300 to the richest company in the world.
It's amazing how some people will back Apple, no matter what. This is shockingly petty by such a cash rich corporation like Apple.
I'm presuming you took part and managed to get something to run on it? I presume you also have been featured by Apple on the app store multiple times in multiple countries?
Also, just because we don't make profit, doesn't mean what we do is not valuable. With that attitude, I'm guessing you don't use any open source software or free programs at all. We're developers, not businesses.
Also, developers need an environment that works, one was not provided. I think the developer kickback here isn't so much the $200, it's that its our first chance to vent our frustrations with the program as a whole as we are STILL waiting for an environment we can use to build an app having paid $500 for the privilege.
Also, Apple actively seeked out developers for this program, asking us to port our IOS/IPAD apps, I didn't join to get something free. It turned out in my use case the DTK is not usable, but there is no way to complain to apple, or get a refund.
Also, just because we don't make profit, doesn't mean what we do is not valuable. With that attitude, I'm guessing you don't use any open source software or free programs at all. We're developers, not businesses.
Also, developers need an environment that works, one was not provided. I think the developer kickback here isn't so much the $200, it's that its our first chance to vent our frustrations with the program as a whole as we are STILL waiting for an environment we can use to build an app having paid $500 for the privilege.
Also, Apple actively seeked out developers for this program, asking us to port our IOS/IPAD apps, I didn't join to get something free. It turned out in my use case the DTK is not usable, but there is no way to complain to apple, or get a refund.
They are the same people defending every time. ( If you are on MR long enough you would recognise them )
From Butterfly Keyboard issues, any hardware failure is within acceptable failure rate, Apple's App Store so Apple Rules, Repair Price. And lots more. In these people's mind Apple can do No Wrong.
Although I would say developers not develop for them isn't an issue they are scared of. It is a bit like Microsoft in the 90s. They hold the most important market shares. If you want to make money you will have to follow.
I assume Apple could file some form of damages or theft of property since they own the machines, you only paid for the privilege to borrow it. Apple also have the power to disable or block developer accounts meaning no App updates or they could also pull the App from the store completely meaning no income what so ever for the developer.
Give me a break. Apple spelled out that one had to return the device when the M1s were released to the public. I am a small developer of one, and I even obeyed the rules. Grow up people and send them back, and what ever Apple gives you towards a new one, suck it up and use it towards a new one.
Surely the DTK gives a developer a chance to ready their software for the new silicone so they can make shed loads of money when they sell their ready software to people who need software to work on their new computer with Apple silicone, no?
The DTK is an access point for developers to invest in their future sales. Sure, it helps Apple if software for their new platform can actually run for customers, but the developers, in theory, stand to take their own slice of the pie.
Are we talking about just $500 here, for the chance to make profit? Apple never promised a reward for developers other than the leg-up to be able to access that profit sooner.
"OOh, but I think I should have a new computer....I WANT one! It's just not FAIR
"
Give me a break.
The DTK is an access point for developers to invest in their future sales. Sure, it helps Apple if software for their new platform can actually run for customers, but the developers, in theory, stand to take their own slice of the pie.
Are we talking about just $500 here, for the chance to make profit? Apple never promised a reward for developers other than the leg-up to be able to access that profit sooner.
"OOh, but I think I should have a new computer....I WANT one! It's just not FAIR
"Give me a break.
Surely the DTK gives a developer a chance to ready their software for the new silicone so they can make shed loads of money when they sell their ready software to people who need software to work on their new computer with Apple silicone, no?
The DTK is an access point for developers to invest in their future sales. Sure, it helps Apple if software for their new platform can actually run for customers, but the developers, in theory, stand to take their own slice of the pie.
Are we talking about just $500 here, for the chance to make profit? Apple never promised a reward for developers other than the leg-up to be able to access that profit sooner.
"OOh, but I think I should have a new computer....I WANT one! It's just not FAIR
Give me a break.
The fact is the DTK didn't give developers a chance to do that, it didn't work. Apple should have at least provided a platform that worked, seeing as that is what was paid for.
People are just complaining now because they have just realised how much Apple screwed them with the DTK. I think a lot of us thought they might fix it by giving us a working dev machine.
No one forced anyone to buy the kit. Try developing software for Microsoft where you have drop more than that per year to get access to their development tools. The target was software developers who do it for a living and not hobbyists. It is just another cost of doing business and being given an advantage over other developers. Nothing in life is free.
As per the agreement, Apple was meant to deliver a working DTK platform. You won't have heard of any of the issues as all the developers were under NDA's. People are complaining now because they paid $500 and never got the platform Apple promised.
You forget that Apple ALSO makes good change on successful apps. Its not just a one way street. So for Apple to be so petty is ridiculous.Surely the DTK gives a developer a chance to ready their software for the new silicone so they can make shed loads of money when they sell their ready software to people who need software to work on their new computer with Apple silicone, no?
The DTK is an access point for developers to invest in their future sales. Sure, it helps Apple if software for their new platform can actually run for customers, but the developers, in theory, stand to take their own slice of the pie.
Are we talking about just $500 here, for the chance to make profit? Apple never promised a reward for developers other than the leg-up to be able to access that profit sooner.
"OOh, but I think I should have a new computer....I WANT one! It's just not FAIR
Give me a break.
What donation? I pay for my periodic purchases of development devices, development Macs, and development software, and write them all off against my App store revenues and macOS consulting fees. It's a cost of business.
If I wanted rich company Apple to give me some free gift, it wouldn't be $200 or a pony, it would be loaded Mac Pro (with wheels!) or a Gulfstream private jet.
Not true. I didn't intend on joining the program.
On the 25th of August, they sent me an email "Get your iOS and iPadOS apps ready for Apple Silicon Macs.". Unfortunately they didn't tell you there that the DTK would never work properly. Ironically, despite paying for the privilege, I still haven't had a chance to test my app on apple silicon and the M1 has now been out months.
If they hadn't sent me that email, I probably wouldn't have got a DTK and would already have an M1 mac.
The sense of entitlement runs strong with this group. You're not getting what you weren't promised? Shocker. No one's buying back the lease on my car for more than what I'm out of pocket.
And if you're really desperate for 500 clams or a new mac mini, you're doing it wrong.
And if you're really desperate for 500 clams or a new mac mini, you're doing it wrong.
You would be pissed if your car didn't do what was promised.
That's a bit disrespectful to apple, isn't it? I didn't realise the DTK was intentionally a scam...
This is the new non-Jobs Apple... the users and the devs are the beta testers of everything! 😆
And Apple eating the cost of the computer is a "cost of business". Why must you pay for the "cost of business" and not Apple? You know, Apple makes money off you developers too, right?
Apple is being petty, sitting on a billion dollars in cash alone.
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Your opinion really ticks me off. In fact I don’t think I like you at all. LOL J/K. But really, this is a foolish move on Apple’s part.
They should be begging people to write new code for the M1 but they probably saw the numbers are so good with Rosetta that they believe they can pull this on the devs and it won’t harm them one bit.
and they sadly are probably right. SMH
There is a key word here you got wrong. Developers leased these machines they didn’t buy them. They are not entitled to anything. They knew what they signed up for.
if they had actually bought the dev kits I would agree with you. But it was just a rental