It wouldn't effect anyone who has decent parents, or, failing that, knows what jailbreaking is.
decent parents != not using this technology.
Also no matter how good the parent is. They can not control the incoming txt messages.
It wouldn't effect anyone who has decent parents, or, failing that, knows what jailbreaking is.
oh so true.
The ones that seems the most up in arms about it are the ones who it would directly effect. The older people and more importantly the ones who have kids or want kids seem to understand this. Big time if they have teenagers. They know it is impossible to watch over them at all times. We live in a world were communcation is much harder to keep track of.
Back 20 years ago we did not have email. We did txt messaging. Cell phone just started hitting the consumer sector and were the size and weight of a brick.
So basically all form of communication between kids for the most part was monitored any how. If you were on the phone at home a parent could easily pick up the phone or hear one side of the convocation and easily put limits on when the phone call would end.
Now days kids have cell phone can easily quickly send pictures to eachother and text message. No real way for them to intercepted like in the passed.
decent parents != not using this technology.
Also no matter how good the parent is. They can not control the incoming txt messages.
decent parents != not using this technology.
Also no matter how good the parent is. They can not control the incoming txt messages.
Any decent parent would respect their child's privacy.
Good, parents shouldn't be able to control any part of their personal communications.
Parents kids do not get the same privacy as an adult. End of story.
It comes down to trust. If the kid has done nothing to warent miss trust then non issue really. Like I said most I would do is spot check them. Assuming they have done no wrong that is all that will be there and that is the end of it. Now in one of those spot checks I catch something that I shouldn't damn skimpy they will be watch like a hawk. They broke my trust and therefor lost all right to their privacy.
Like I said the my future kids will have a cell phone but at the same time they will know that I can pick it up at any moment in time.
As for the limiting factors like this things that are acceptably to be on the phone vary with age. A 16 year old will have a lot more room than a 12 year old.
Like I said before go back 20 years. We did not have cell phones. Almost all personal communication between kids was more or less monitor. They were either with the other kid and most parents would who their kid was with or were at home and had to use the home phone which low and behold easily monitored. 1/2 of the conversation could always be heard and if they wanted to hear the other 1/2 just pick up the line. That or it gets pick up to tell the kid go to bed.
Send kids back to the time when they passed dirty pictures from desk to desk, old school style.
more spot checking rubbish, blah blah
This tech is created solely for the purpose of encouraging more parents to buy the iPhone. anti-sexting tech will become obsolete the day it is released as kids will just invent new net-speak to get around it.
Good marketing move on Apple's part, though. They could even license it to other manufacturers.
If you were my parent, you'd never even be able to pick my phone up and have a look. 256bit AES encryption works quite well
But anyway, even with that aside, I think that's nothing but a less extreme version of what is in principle bad parenting.
See above.
Why not just educate your kids then give them all the same level of freedom?
As I said on the last page, this "sexting" thing the media's only just decided to pick up on has been going on for longer than either of us has been alive, let alone it outliving iPhones, MMS, and e-mail.
See above.
Any decent parent would respect their child's privacy.
Good, parents shouldn't be able to control any part of their personal communications.
Kids are not little adults. You seem to have some reasoning that they are.
Also if you were my kid and tried the encryption stuff you could say bye bye to your cell phone. Sorry you do not get the same rights as an parents. You would be under my protection and my rules. Cell phone is given to you knowing that I have the right to look at it and spot check it. Chance are the spot checks would be looking at the pop up when some random message comes in and maybe one or 2 times glance threw a convo but chances are if none of those get my attention that would be the end of it. It would need to warrant farther investigation for me to go deeper.
Umm because there is a huge difference in a kids ability to reason as they get older compared to younger. A 12 year old does not have the ablity to reason as a 16 year old nor what is acceptable for a 16 year old is not what is acceptable for a 12 year old.
Until kids are paying the rent, mortgage, food, gas and electric, clothes and house bills they don't have a right to any privacy, period.
Kids are not little adults. You seem to have some reasoning that they are.
Also if you were my kid and tried the encryption stuff you could say bye bye to your cell phone. Sorry you do not get the same rights as an parents. You would be under my protection and my rules. Cell phone is given to you knowing that I have the right to look at it and spot check it. Chance are the spot checks would be looking at the pop up when some random message comes in and maybe one or 2 times glance threw a convo but chances are if none of those get my attention that would be the end of it. It would need to warrant farther investigation for me to go deeper.
Digging to deep you risk breaking the kids trust so it just that spot checking and knowing that I can do it.
Umm because there is a huge difference in a kids ability to reason as they get older compared to younger. A 12 year old does not have the ablity to reason as a 16 year old nor what is acceptable for a 16 year old is not what is acceptable for a 12 year old.
Odds of those things being caught much much higher. Once caught parents informed.
Until kids are paying the rent, mortgage, food, gas and electric, clothes and house bills they don't have a right to any privacy, period.
Kids are people and need to learn independence and need to feel trusted by their parents, too.
I like how you assume my phone would have to be given to me. What if I get the phone myself?
I'd rather have no phone than a phone which is checked on. Communication should be private.
I don't think I even disputed this, I simply think that educating kids - while taking their age into consideration, of course - is a lot more effective than monitoring their communications.
Any decent parent would respect their child's privacy.
Good, parents shouldn't be able to control any part of their personal communications.
OMFG! Honestly if one of you guys were my parents I'd just sleep in your place and look that I spent most of my daytime out of your control. I'd be crazy lending my friends' mobiles to text with my gf. You guys with your draconian attitude (i.e. I make the rules, these are my rules and you just **** and obey your master!) are a child's nightmare.
And for the record - 34 yr old - studied veterinarian - planning to have children and let them grow up in a happy open relationship with their parents.
<edit> Woha. Since when is the abbreviation for Shut The F$*K Up in your filter algorithm?</edit>
Independence and privacy are 2 very different things. You seem to think that the right to privacy means parents should not have a clue what is going on.
And parents that see a message every now and thing over bearing.
You can not do that until you are 18. You can not sign a contract until then.
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Now none of that is huge amount of digging into their privacy. And providing none of the above get my attention that would be the end of it. Now if I saw sexting in any of it or something else yes I would dig deeper.
Care to substantiate any of that? Seems to me a good parents knows what's going on with their children, monitors their behavior, and reacts accordingly. No child has a right to privacy from their parents. Yes, it's wise to give children room to grow and an increasing amount of privacy as they get older, but most teenagers need no more privacy than the chance to go hang out with friends without their parents hovering over them. A parent checking the kid's computer or phone for inappropriate content on an occasional basis is not an invasion of privacy.
jW
As I said, it's a lot less extreme than the measures others have been talking about, but there are still problems with it. You may get a little piece of mind but at what cost? I imagine your kids will get paranoid with every message they get while they're at home.
Rodimus Prime said:If you were my parent, you'd never even be able to pick my phone up and have a look. 256bit AES encryption works quite well
But anyway, even with that aside, I think that's nothing but a less extreme version of what is in principle bad parenting.
See above.
Kids are not little adults. You seem to have some reasoning that they are.
Also if you were my kid and tried the encryption stuff you could say bye bye to your cell phone. Sorry you do not get the same rights as an parents. You would be under my protection and my rules. Cell phone is given to you knowing that I have the right to look at it and spot check it. Chance are the spot checks would be looking at the pop up when some random message comes in and maybe one or 2 times glance threw a convo but chances are if none of those get my attention that would be the end of it. It would need to warrant farther investigation for me to go deeper.
Digging to deep you risk breaking the kids trust so it just that spot checking and knowing that I can do it.
Why not just educate your kids then give them all the same level of freedom?
Umm because there is a huge difference in a kids ability to reason as they get older compared to younger. A 12 year old does not have the ablity to reason as a 16 year old nor what is acceptable for a 16 year old is not what is acceptable for a 12 year old.
As I said on the last page, this "sexting" thing the media's only just decided to pick up on has been going on for longer than either of us has been alive, let alone it outliving iPhones, MMS, and e-mail.
See above.
Odds of those things being caught much much higher. Once caught parents informed.
So no human rights until you cough up some cash? Or are kids not humans?![]()
I agree to the rest of your post whole-heartedly. But one thing is for sure - you basically had little contact to kids and don't remember your childhood. Let me tell you - every child not only has a right to privacy but they also execute it.
If a child grabs Socks the little cat and goes up to his/her room they in all due respect will share a secret. Socks knows and he won't tell the parents that e.g. the child wants to kiss XYZ or has been swimming naked with XYZ - you know - all that stuff.
And that's why I think this discussion is rather hypocritical. I have no right to monitor every conversation my child performs. The only right I have is to talk with them, when parent XYZ tells me that my child is responsible for the use of dirty language/dirty deeds with their child. And that's it. Period.
And basically we should maybe talk about the justification of giving minors mobiles in the first place...
In the eyes of the law (at least in the U.S) you are a minor until you are age 18 and you under 18 you don't have any rights nor do you have any say so don't try that argument here buddy, it ain't working.
Thankfully, the law here says different. I can, at 16, even move out if I want. Hell, I can get married and have a family at my age as far as the law is concerned.
It's a shame that you haven't since you feel the need to be so independent and have the right to your privacy. Yeah you CAN, but have you? I didn't think so.![]()