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Any type of censorship for any reason is wrong. Plus, "moral" is very subjective.

So..do you realize that you just said that you support child pornography?



Apple would come under MASSIVE fire if they used that to stop jailbreaking, espeically since it's now been ruled as legal. And not just from customers, either; but from trade regulators.

Not to mention how that system would be hacked just like every other security protocol Apple's put in place to stop jailbreaking.

Again, this is a USER CONTROLLED FEATURE. That the users themselves control, so it's perfectly fine. There are a lot of people that wan't to control that their devices doesn't get jailbroken, such as companies, schools..and parents.

Trying to make your kids good by censoring what they see and say will never work. Not ever. In fact, if anything, it'll make them even more rebellious.

It's not about censoring. It's just a technologic application of what we do everyday. We punish bad behavior and/or reward good (or absence of bad). It's also about subconscious training - if we know we're not allowed to use certain word we will stop. This is something we're trained in every day when we're young, and as our communication via technology increases we have to be taught how to behave there too. Just have a look at the internet today..perfectly good people that will behave as total cocks when behind a computer screen.

Not only that, but parents shouldn't be doing any of this in the first place. It's your job to educate your children, not monitor them like a crazed paranoid schizophrenic. It's alright to let them make their own mistakes, too.

It is indeed parents job to educate their children. However, right now to get a look at how they behave in these mediums we have to read their stuff. With this service, we could instead be alerted if they don't behave and talk about it with them. The best way to tech kids is to let them do it, then talk with them about it. This will allow us to be notified when they do the mistakes.

We should let them make their own mistakes. One mistake we shouldn't let them experience by themselves is, for example, communicating with a pedophile. If we can protect them from this without breaching their privacy, that's awesome.
 
Really? Is that what you were taught? That the basic foundation of raising children is control control control, restrict, restrict restrict, no, no no?

Well, no wonder you treat your kids that way. God help you.

That is not what I said. But yes, raising kids is about teaching them what is OK and what is not. Not by controlling them or restricting them - but by letting them try the limits, and as soon as they cross it I will talk to them about it.

Oh, and I don't have any kids either.
 
That is not what I said. But yes, raising kids is about teaching them what is OK and what is not. Not by controlling them or restricting them - but by letting them try the limits, and as soon as they cross it I will talk to them about it.

Oh, and I don't have any kids either.

and everything changes when you have kids....
you will try to protect them at any expense. you will become crazed. they will call you names and hate you.
the cycle will repeat when they have kids of their own and they will have the, damnit I sound like my parents moments
 
That is not what I said. But yes, raising kids is about teaching them what is OK and what is not. Not by controlling them or restricting them - but by letting them try the limits, and as soon as they cross it I will talk to them about it.

Oh, and I don't have any kids either.


Hmmm so once they have met that stranger on line who enjoys their young body, at that point then, if they are still alive, you will talk to them?

It is your duty as a parent or guardian to control your charge.
 
Hmmm so once they have met that stranger on line who enjoys their young body, at that point then, if they are still alive, you will talk to them?

It is your duty as a parent or guardian to control your charge.

Or, you know, you could have looked about 3-4 centimeters up and looked at what I wrote there.

"We should let them make their own mistakes. One mistake we shouldn't let them experience by themselves is, for example, communicating with a pedophile. If we can protect them from this without breaching their privacy, that's awesome."
 
"Moral censorship" is what creates homophobes, racists, sexists, etc.

When you teach your child that something is bad, you're basically brainwashing them.

But you have to teach kids that some things are bad. Sending sexual text messages is a very bad idea, and making sure kids know that, and enforcing it, is not at all similar to teaching that gay people are wrong. There's a qualitative difference. In one case you're teaching them to control their own behavior. In the other you're teaching them to pre-judge other people. Very different cases.

Is it "acceptable"? Yeah, apparently, seeing how many Republicans there are in the US. But is it "necessary"? No...

Not only Republicans believe in teaching morality and ethics. For example, pornography is bad for young children. Most liberals as well as most conservatives would agree with that.
 
I seriously don't understand why they would even patent that, I think everyone has the right to text whatever they want, I don't "Sext" but it's pretty crazy, I mean downloading Porn apps from the app Store is something that might be understandable to ban, but this is basically stopping what the iPhone is on it's base or basically 5 out of it's 6 letters a communication device = Phone
 
Typical from such an Apple rag like you, but what makes this outrage Ok because it'd slid in under the guise of parental controls?

Tyranny is still tyranny, even when it's only affecting your neighbor and not you. It's only a matter of time. Meanwhile, not only did you let it happen, you had a chance to speak out and you said it was Ok.

Please don't be insane.

Parental controls for software is the norm today. They're there for a reason. It can be turned off if you're a big boy, I promise.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/features/parental-controls.aspx

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1904

http://www.parentalcontrolapps.com/android/
 
Yes, if course it can be bad too, but it is also basically the foundation that raising children are based on (and basically all of our society is based on). Do you mean that we shouldn't teach them not to steal, that child pornography is wrong, that you should not hurt other people etc etc?

I believe that people naturally know that hurting another person is "wrong." For example, my parents never told me specifically not to murder anyone, but I'm still not going to do it...

Not only Republicans believe in teaching morality and ethics. For example, pornography is bad for young children. Most liberals as well as most conservatives would agree with that.

I'm not so sure that exposing a young child to pornography is going to cause any psychological damage, but then again, I'm not an expert, so I'm not going to comment on that further.


But you have to teach kids that some things are bad. Sending sexual text messages is a very bad idea, and making sure kids know that, and enforcing it, is not at all similar to teaching that gay people are wrong. There's a qualitative difference. In one case you're teaching them to control their own behavior. In the other you're teaching them to pre-judge other people. Very different cases.
Okay, if it's about controlling their own behavior, I guess it's also alright to teach your kids that masturbation, premarital sex, etc. is wrong and you should never do it.

And seriously, what's so bad about sending sexual text messages? I can understand concern surrounding nude photos, but sending sexual texts...? Would you also say that teens shouldn't be able to watch porn? Because that seems a lot worse than sending a series of explicit words.
 
This patent was the subject of a segment on my local news last night… I find that it's a sad day when the content of a MacRumors article is also being discussed on the news.

jW
 
Everyone freaking out this, Oh, its big brother or censorship needs to chill. This is nothing but a parental tool they can market. Of course kids will find ways to circumvent it, thats what they do.

Marketing people, nothing more.
 
Please don't be insane.

Parental controls for software is the norm today. They're there for a reason. It can be turned off if you're a big boy, I promise.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/features/parental-controls.aspx

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1904

http://www.parentalcontrolapps.com/android/

Please don't be dense and naive. Apple treats its entire customer base like children, and it's only a matter of time before they use every bit of technology they've developed to further control adult behavior, as they already encourage parents to do with their children.

Tell me, oh so informed genius, what stops Apple from flipping the switch on us? What precisely stops them from deciding that all users of their platform need to controlled in some way? No more bad language period. Applying the inane blocking software to Safari?

What. Stops. Them?

Public opinion is the only thing. When public opinion becomes as degenerated as we're seeing in this thead, what then?
 
I seriously don't understand why they would even patent that, I think everyone has the right to text whatever they want, I don't "Sext" but it's pretty crazy, I mean downloading Porn apps from the app Store is something that might be understandable to ban, but this is basically stopping what the iPhone is on it's base or basically 5 out of it's 6 letters a communication device = Phone

Yes, exactly. Apple should NEVER, EVER! be working on technology that interferes with, monitors, or can even access, a users private phone calls, txt, and other communication.

Besides that's what AT&T and the NSA are for. Im sure they don't need any competition or interference.
 
This patent proved the failure of parental responsibility and reinforced parental dependence on corporations and the government to do the parenting.

:mad:

I was going to post this exact thing. Just another excuse for parents to be lazy in regards to their children.
 
Yes, exactly. Apple should NEVER, EVER! be working on technology that interferes with, monitors, or can even access, a users private phone calls, txt, and other communication.

Besides that's what AT&T and the NSA are for. Im sure they don't need any competition or interference.

Do you have these same feelings for your spellchecker? It "monitors" and "accesses" and "interferes" (auto-correct) your written communication. That's all this is...a glorified auto-correct for text messages which a parent can optionally turn on for their children (if the patent ever gets implemented at all).

GL
 
I think you have to realize that communication is communication, whether it's face to face or digital.

As a parent, if a guy was in your house pressuring your daughter to talk dirty with him, you'd probably kick him out of the house. For starters.

But it's OK if he's pressuring her to talk dirty with him outside of the house?

Or let me put it this way, if the guy was sexting your daughter in your house, would you simply tell them to take it outside?

It's about choice, people. Choice. That's the parent's choice on how to raise their own children, not yours.
 
"Moral censorship" is what creates homophobes, racists, sexists, etc.

When you teach your child that something is bad, you're basically brainwashing them.

For example, a religious person teaches their child that gay people are bad. They grow up hating gay people. Moral censorship? Yes. Because "moral" is totally subjective.

Is it "acceptable"? Yeah, apparently, seeing how many Republicans there are in the US. But is it "necessary"? No...

Please explain. I don't get it.




Can someone please explain why there's all this fuss about teenagers *gasp* swearing? Do you think that your kids are going to start using the f word in their English essays or something?...

I believe that people naturally know that hurting another person is "wrong." For example, my parents never told me specifically not to murder anyone, but I'm still not going to do it...



I'm not so sure that exposing a young child to pornography is going to cause any psychological damage, but then again, I'm not an expert, so I'm not going to comment on that further.



Okay, if it's about controlling their own behavior, I guess it's also alright to teach your kids that masturbation, premarital sex, etc. is wrong and you should never do it.

And seriously, what's so bad about sending sexual text messages? I can understand concern surrounding nude photos, but sending sexual texts...? Would you also say that teens shouldn't be able to watch porn? Because that seems a lot worse than sending a series of explicit words.

David, I mean this in all honesty and not to come across as insulting but to be honest with you, your posts reveal that you are an adolescent and there's no problem with that, but you'd do yourself a service if you just continue to "view" this thread. This thread is very divided between the adults and the kids and it's obvious who the kids are.
 
Surely a Good idea?

Personally I xxxxx can't xxxxxx xxxxxxxx see what all the xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx fuss xxxxxxxx is xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx all xxxxxxxxx about....

:)
 
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This is @&*% BS.
U know exactly what I just said and so will the recipients of the messages.
I never understood the concept of the symbols to replace a bad word. If u know what it means then it is like saying it.
Same for bleeps...
Its stupid to call it "adult" language when kids curse more than adults...
It won't stop. No matter how many symbols and bleeps try to cover it up. The real
Meaning is the same and it is understood no matter how u want to dress it up.
F**k this S**T
 
I was going to post this exact thing. Just another excuse for parents to be lazy in regards to their children.

You really think that?

You do know how hard it is to keep an eye on your kids at all times. And kids are good at doing things with out their parents knowing no matter how good the parents are. I know of a lot of things that I got away with that I should not of at that age. My parents were good parents but still does not stop it.

I personally like the service offered by our over seas carriers that allows the account holder to view all message sent and receive of their kids phones.

In my eyes it is a trust issue. My future kids will have cell phones that is a given fact. It will come with a price and that is the kids will know at any moment I can take their phone and look threw it and I will know what messages are being sent and received. Now that being said at most it will be spot checked and as long as they do nothing that really gets my attention for the most part it will never be looked at unless they break my trust.

As they get older the amount of checking I would do drops. Once they go off to college zero checking and if the phone company offered the service I would no longer use it. They are in college and best I can hope for is I raised them right.
 
So..do you realize that you just said that you support child pornography?

Did I? Or did I say that the systems to disable MMS on the iPhone don't work for s**t?

I also said I don't agree with censorship, which again is true. Make it illegal to possess or distribute child porn by all means, but I don't believe censorship should be implemented for any reason, especially when it's so easy to bypass.

Besides, child porn laws exist to protect children from peadophiles, not to stop teenagers sending pictures of themselves to peers. I hate that these laws are being abused in the US to deal with "sexting" which has, by the way, been going on one way or another ever since paintings have existed.

Again, this is a USER CONTROLLED FEATURE. That the users themselves control, so it's perfectly fine. There are a lot of people that wan't to control that their devices doesn't get jailbroken, such as companies, schools..and parents.

It makes no difference who's controlling it, censorship is censorship.

Teenagers know a lot more than parents about technology, and as I already told you, it'd be trivial to set up a Cydia package to remove parental controls, which I think is enough of an incentive for a teenager to carry out the simple process of running a jailbreak on his or her iPhone.

It's not about censoring. It's just a technologic application of what we do everyday. We punish bad behavior and/or reward good (or absence of bad). It's also about subconscious training - if we know we're not allowed to use certain word we will stop. This is something we're trained in every day when we're young, and as our communication via technology increases we have to be taught how to behave there too. Just have a look at the internet today..perfectly good people that will behave as total cocks when behind a computer screen.

Telling someone to stop swearing is not the same as shoving a system down their throats which prevents them from doing so at all.

It's in human nature that we, as kids, test our boundaries. It's essential for development that we are able to do this. When a kid swears and an adult tells them off for it, it has the effect you describe. But if they are having their messages censored, it'll make them want to swear - and by extension, rebel - even more, even if only out of frustration.

It is indeed parents job to educate their children. However, right now to get a look at how they behave in these mediums we have to read their stuff. With this service, we could instead be alerted if they don't behave and talk about it with them. The best way to tech kids is to let them do it, then talk with them about it. This will allow us to be notified when they do the mistakes.

So, the best way to bring your kids up is to spy on them? Do you also follow your kids around and "talk to them about it" when they tell their friends something you don't like in real life, then?

We should let them make their own mistakes. One mistake we shouldn't let them experience by themselves is, for example, communicating with a pedophile. If we can protect them from this without breaching their privacy, that's awesome.

You are talking about breaching their privacy, first of all, and second, the best way to stop your kids from communicating with peadophiles is education. Make sure they know how be safe and how to avoid danger. Don't spy on them.
 
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jeff1977 said:
The kids will just use abbreviations/slang.
But there are so many words that could mean something completely different. Even if they start filtering abbreviations.
"I'm playing with dk!"
"Outgoing message contains banned text"
I meant Donkey Kong!

And doesn't FaceTime make sexting obsolete anyways??

U are right.
Next they will create a Program that will bleep out bad words in facetime. And if u get the deluxe version it will also blur your lips, like in the talk shows, so u can't "read" them.
 
David, I mean this in all honesty and not to come across as insulting but to be honest with you, your posts reveal that you are an adolescent and there's no problem with that, but you'd do yourself a service if you just continue to "view" this thread. This thread is very divided between the adults and the kids and it's obvious who the kids are.

... your point is?

You really think that?

You do know how hard it is to keep an eye on your kids at all times. And kids are good at doing things with out their parents knowing no matter how good the parents are. I know of a lot of things that I got away with that I should not of at that age. My parents were good parents but still does not stop it.

I personally like the service offered by our over seas carriers that allows the account holder to view all message sent and receive of their kids phones.

In my eyes it is a trust issue. My future kids will have cell phones that is a given fact. It will come with a price and that is the kids will know at any moment I can take their phone and look threw it and I will know what messages are being sent and received. Now that being said at most it will be spot checked and as long as they do nothing that really gets my attention for the most part it will never be looked at unless they break my trust.

As they get older the amount of checking I would do drops. Once they go off to college zero checking and if the phone company offered the service I would no longer use it. They are in college and best I can hope for is I raised them right.
With what you just said, there isn't even any trust to break. You literally put no trust in your kids whatsoever.

I can't believe you even mentioned spying on their texts in college. Wow.


We should let them make their own mistakes. One mistake we shouldn't let them experience by themselves is, for example, communicating with a pedophile. If we can protect them from this without breaching their privacy, that's awesome.
Yeah....... every teenager already knows not to communicate intimately with random strangers. If not, this should be taught through education rather than spying on messages.
 
With what you just said, there isn't even any trust to break. You literally put no trust in your kids whatsoever.

I can't believe you even mentioned spying on their texts in college. Wow.
I was responding to the quoted text that had nothing to do with the patent ......

As for the 2nd part. I suggest you go back to grade school and real learn how to read because clearly you can not read or your compression is pretty low.
I stated once they go off to college I would NO LONGER use it or look at it.
 
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