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Companies shouldn't get involved in issues that don't have anything to do with the company.

Because an LGBT rule has nothing to do with employees or because a company's interests matters only in as much as it affects shareholders? But more to the point, corporations are people now. If this right is exercised in some issues and not others, a given company is leaving value on the table. If corporate participation itself is wrong, we need legislation to exclude all corporations from participating in all politics.


I didn't say it was Obamas fault. I said it was Obamas responsability to fix it. Just like you have to fix it if someone takes your car on a joy ride and send it into a ditch.

Like a political double standard. We're happy if Rs just don't trash the country and were only happy if Ds can both fix Rs damage and make things better. And apparently do that all with zero support from congress. It's like being in an abusive relationship!

I'm still waiting for us to fix the 2006 law that continues to destroy the USPS.


No, there are not. I know plenty of Catholics, and none of them say that.

Conservatives like to bash each other with purity tests. Instead of starting with a group and drawing a line around them and saying 'this is us', they start with an ideological line and then force everyone inside that line (see: RINO). They've been doing it so long, they're starting to hold others to the same unhealthy standard.

I too was raised to be staunchly catholic and could be considered staunchly anti-anti gay rights (see post 304). Another home run for religious values!
 
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Obama has done as much damage as Shrub.
Two huge mistakes back to back with 2 terms each. Pathetic
 
I have NEVER heard "person of color" be considered racist. "Colored guy" racist, "person of color" not.

Just because you, or others have not heard this, does not mean it is not true, there are hundreds, no thousands of examples on a simple search from your favorite search engine...and let me guess, you are white, yes?

http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2013/03/2013321whats-wrong-with-the-term-person-of-color/

http://reverseracism.tumblr.com/post/42707005452/people-of-color-is-a-condescending-racist-term
 
Just because you, or others have not heard this, does not mean it is not true, there are hundreds, no thousands of examples on a simple search from your favorite search engine...and let me guess, you are white, yes?

http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2013/03/2013321whats-wrong-with-the-term-person-of-color/

http://reverseracism.tumblr.com/post/42707005452/people-of-color-is-a-condescending-racist-term

Linking to a couple of blog posts doesn't make it true. We all know there are people who are offended by the least little thing that most other people in the same group couldn't care less about. Come up with a statistically-significant poll and you may have something worth reading. There are times when in a discussion there needs to be a term to differentiate between "white" people and everyone else. What term do you propose we use? "non-white"? I assure you someone "non-white" will hate that term, too, as if "white" is the best thing to be and everyone else is "less than".

You're white too, Doug, so let's not make this a "who's a bigger friend to the minorities" contest. Neither one of us truly knows what it's like to not grow up white so stop pretending so hard and just be a decent person to all people.
 
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Linking to a couple of blog posts doesn't make it true. We all know there are people who are offended by the least little thing that most other people in the same group couldn't care less about. Come up with a statistically-significant poll and you may have something worth reading. There are times when in a discussion there needs to be a term to differentiate between "white" people and everyone else. What term do you propose we use? "non-white"? I assure you someone "non-white" will hate that term, too, as if "white" is the best thing to be and everyone else is "less than".
I am under the opinion that your reply is bordering on racism. That you cannot see this in your own words is part of the problem. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this particular subject.
 
Which mistakes are you thinking of, and, do either of them have anything to do with this thread? I'm not following you.

I was responding to the previous comment.
Mistakes for Obama?
ISIS, The Iran 'Deal', illegal alien amnesty going around congress, putting Monsanto in charge of his administration after planting an organic garden at the WH for the King and Queen and promising to label GMOs, ObamaDon'tCare-which destroyed health insurance for millions of middle class folks like myself, Screwing our allies while sucking up to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Ayatollah, pushing TPP which is yet another job destroyer and Monsanto protection racket.

I know I missed a few things but i think that's enough to label Obama a failure and lying sociopath

Oh, I forgot. He said Yemen was stable. OK, Barry
 
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I am under the opinion that your reply is bordering on racism. That you cannot see this in your own words is part of the problem. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this particular subject.

Congrats, Doug, you've out-liberal white-ed me! Hope you're happy. Your trophy will arrive in the mail in 4-6 weeks.
 
While I'm not going to throw my 2 cents in regarding the validity of the phrase, I just have to say one thing...

...never link to Tumblr. Therein crazy lies.

Ugh. It always gives me a headache when people use Tumblr links for reference. I suspect they don't bother to read their own links most of the time.
 
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I was responding to the previous comment.
Mistakes for Obama?
ISIS, The Iran 'Deal', illegal alien amnesty going around congress, putting Monsanto in charge of his administration after planting an organic garden at the WH for the King and Queen and promising to label GMOs, ObamaDon'tCare-which destroyed health insurance for millions of middle class folks like myself, Screwing our allies while sucking up to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Ayatollah, pushing TPP which is yet another job destroyer and Monsanto protection racket.

I know I missed a few things but i think that's enough to label Obama a failure and lying sociopath


-ISIS- A product of the war Bush started in Iraq

-The Iran deal- The only way we will be able to successfully monitor Iran's nuclear activity since the many years of republican "sticks" isn't working.

-Illegal alien amnesty- net immigration has been less than zero since Obama has been president. More people have been deported by Obama than by prior presidents. Amnesty for immigrants is a solution to get all the hard-working illegals legitimized so they can get legitimate jobs and pay taxes like the rest of us.

-GMOs are necessary for the world's survival and thousands of tests have proven their safety for consumption and use. You can argue about the way they are monetized but you can't argue that they aren't necessary to feed the world affected by climate change. Labelling GMOs is stupid. Why not force organic food to be labelled with the names of the pesticides the farmer used so health food nuts can finally be rid of the delusion that organic food is grown without chemical pesticides.

-ACA has enabled millions of people to get health insurance and has slowed the increase of healthcare costs. Republicans are the ones causing any problems there are with it by not working with Democrats to work out any existing kinks (and for blocking single-payer healthcare in the first place). I'm middle-class, have been paying for my own insurance for years as a freelancer and the ACA has only expanded the number of preventative care I have access to without an extra fee. Hasn't effected my premiums whatsoever. If you had crappy insurance before the ACA your premiums may have gone up but you are the one who was throwing the dice on crappy insurance in the first place.

The rest is just tinfoil hat madness and not worth commenting on (not that the other stuff wasn't as well).
 
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Ugh. It always gives me a headache when people use Tumblr links for reference. I suspect they don't bother to read their own links most of the time.

I'll read the SJ threads on Tumblr from time to time just to see how deep in the crazy they're willing to get, but only because of that. After spending an hour or so there, I can understand why some people on the right are so deathly afraid of some progressive issues.

Hell, if I took Tumblr seriously, I would be too.
 
I was responding to the previous comment.
Mistakes for Obama?
ISIS, The Iran 'Deal', illegal alien amnesty going around congress, putting Monsanto in charge of his administration after planting an organic garden at the WH for the King and Queen and promising to label GMOs, ObamaDon'tCare-which destroyed health insurance for millions of middle class folks like myself, Screwing our allies while sucking up to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Ayatollah, pushing TPP which is yet another job destroyer and Monsanto protection racket.

I know I missed a few things but i think that's enough to label Obama a failure and lying sociopath

Oh, I forgot. He said Yemen was stable. OK, Barry


That's an incredible jump you make of not liking his policies to being a lying sociopath. It's funny how one sees failures, others see progress.
 
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ObamaDon'tCare-which destroyed health insurance for millions of middle class folks like myself

Serious question
Many liberals are dissatisfied with Obamacare. Many conservatives are dissatisfied with Obamacare. Would you be open to replacing both the old system and the current system with a whole new system, perhaps modeled on an established system that has proven successful?
 
-ISIS- A product of the war Bush started in Iraq

-The Iran deal- The only way we will be able to successfully monitor Iran's nuclear activity since the many years of republican "sticks" isn't working.

-Illegal alien amnesty- net immigration has been less than zero since Obama has been president. More people have been deported by Obama than by prior presidents. Amnesty for immigrants is a solution to get all the hard-working illegals legitimized so they can get legitimate jobs and pay taxes like the rest of us.

-GMOs are necessary for the world's survival and thousands of tests have proven their safety for consumption and use. You can argue about the way they are monetized but you can't argue that they aren't necessary to feed the world affected by climate change. Labelling GMOs is stupid. Why not force organic food to be labelled with the names of the pesticides the farmer used so health food nuts can finally be rid of the delusion that organic food is grown without chemical pesticides.

-ACA has enabled millions of people to get health insurance and has slowed the increase of healthcare costs. Republicans are the ones causing any problems there are with it by not working with Democrats to work out any existing kinks (and for blocking single-payer healthcare in the first place). I'm middle-class, have been paying for my own insurance for years as a freelancer and the ACA has only expanded the number of preventative care I have access to without an extra fee. Hasn't effected my premiums whatsoever. If you had crappy insurance before the ACA your premiums may have gone up but you are the one who was throwing the dice on crappy insurance in the first place.

The rest is just tinfoil hat madness and not worth commenting on (not that the other stuff wasn't as well).

I'm not against an Iran deal that actually made sense. A 24 day warning before inspections is basically saying-Hey, Iran, go hide everything you were doing, we'll be there in almost a month.Does the Ayatollah have to sign on to the deal? What about the Revolutionary Guard? No, well they are the ones who actually have control over Iran. Check the comments made by both after the deal was finished and tell me you feel confident about it.

Net immigration has not been less than zero, that's ludicrous. He slowed down deportations as soon as the latino lobby started whining about it. Mr. Slinky Backbone immediately caved to the point that he isn't even allowing ICE to deport criminals.

GMOs are not needed for anything and were never developed to increase crop yields. Their sole purpose was to allow farmers to douse crops with as much toxic roundup as they wanted without destroying the crops. Win-win for Monsanto, lose-lose for us since not only the GMOs are toxic but roundup as well.
You don't care if you eat poison, well I do care. Why deprive me of the knowledge of what I'm buying-do you also object to nutrtion information on foods?

ACA punishes business from giving their workers a good health insurance plan It actually taxes businesses to the point that companies such as mine had to drop our plans for a far worse plan that I now have to pay for for the first time. Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, not the middle class.
The Democrats had control of Congress at the time and could have come up with a better plan but were so eager to force it through while they had control that they pushed through a garbage bill, with no cost controls at all.

That's an incredible jump you make of not liking his policies to being a lying sociopath. It's funny how one sees failures, others see progress.

Obama lies as easily as he draws a breath. That's one definition of a sociopath

Serious question
Many liberals are dissatisfied with Obamacare. Many conservatives are dissatisfied with Obamacare. Would you be open to replacing both the old system and the current system with a whole new system, perhaps modeled on an established system that has proven successful?

There needs to be a solution but Obamacare is not it, IMO
 
Obama lies as easily as he draws a breath. That's one definition of a sociopath


Sociopath: a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

That's the actual definition of a sociopath. Running and being the POTUS or any political office for that matter is quite the opposite of antisocial. Nothing you listed in that list was a criminal act. And not agreeing with what you listed doesn't equate a lack of moral responsibility. Again it's quite the opposite when you try to give citizens the availability of healthcare that many didn't have to begin with. So pretty much what you've listed is no where near what a sociopath is.
 
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I have seen many interpretations of what makes a sociopath. here's one:

Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception. Very little of what they say actually checks out in terms of facts or reality, but they're extremely skillful at making the things they say sound believable, even if they're just making them up out of thin air.

Here's another:

Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running "stream of consciousness" monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets

Yet another:

Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a "glow" about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction

Obama fits those definitions, IMO
At least Clinton looked uncomfortable when he lied
 
That seems to be the general theme with you anti-Obamacare people, "Obamacare isn't good but damned if we can't come up with a better idea".

I actually would prefer single payer. Tax 1-2% more and give everyone at least a Major Medical Plan so people don't have to worry everytime they switch jobs or become unemployed.
Instill cost controls, such as not allowing doctors to own their own labs, caps on the cost of blood tests, etc. Start to favor prevention such as a low $20 co-pay for yearly check-ups, more nutrition counseling, incentives for not smoking and not being obese.
 
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Obama fits those definitions, IMO

No, that's just being a good liar. The most basic definition of a sociopath is someone who doesn't feel even a bit of empathy for anyone else. He's driven entirely by his own needs and wants, and sees people as nothing more than objects, simple things to be used or stepped over.

Most sociopaths are good liars, but not all good liars are sociopaths.
 
I have seen many interpretations of what makes a sociopath. here's one:

Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception. Very little of what they say actually checks out in terms of facts or reality, but they're extremely skillful at making the things they say sound believable, even if they're just making them up out of thin air.

Here's another:

Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running "stream of consciousness" monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets

Yet another:

Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a "glow" about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction

Obama fits those definitions, IMO
At least Clinton looked uncomfortable when he lied



Wow you quoted a conspiracy site, all of those you just posted comes from naturalnews.com, which isn't know for their scientific accuracy.
 
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No, that's just being a good liar. The most basic definition of a sociopath is someone who doesn't feel even a bit of empathy for anyone else. He's driven entirely by his own needs and wants, and sees people as nothing more than objects, simple things to be used or stepped over.

Most sociopaths are good liars, but not all good liars are sociopaths.

Sounds like you just described Barry

Wow you quoted a conspiracy site, all of those you just posted comes from naturalnews.com, which isn't know for their scientific accuracy.

Not the 'my site is better than your site' nonsense.
 
I actually would prefer single payer. Tax 1-2% more and give everyone at least a Major Medical Plan so people don't have to worry everytime they switch jobs or become unemployed.
Instill cost controls, such as not allowing doctors to own their own labs, caps on the cost of blood tests, etc. Start to favor prevention such as a low $20 co-pay for yearly check-ups, more nutrition counseling, incentives for not smoking and not being obese.


ACA already has options for insurers to give incentives for non-smokers and other wellness incentives, though it depends on the plans and other factors. Some of those are based on the employers themselves and their programs. There are different factors involved but options do exist within the ACA to make it happen. Single payer has it's pros and cons and not everyone on both sides of the fence are in favor of it. Caps on tests are nice but a lot of that fight will be with insurers who make a pretty buck from such testings.
 
Not the 'my site is better than your site' nonsense.


If your goal is to backup a definition, then yes sources matter. Specially when you source a known conspiracy site. What would you find more credible in regard to actual medical/scientific related information, a site that pushes conspiracies or a actual medical/scientific site with peer-reviewed support?
 
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