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Renzatic said:
There's a difference for hating a person for what they are, and for who they are.

Do you hate Bill because he's an ass? Does he annoy you all the time? Throw rocks at your house? That's not discrimination. Bill can always choose to wise up, realize what an ass he's been, and quit throwing rocks at your house. He might do this because you pointed out how much an ass he is.

But an ass is what he is, not who he is.

If you hate Bill because he's black, that's another thing entirely. You hate him because of his state of being. Something he can't change. He could be the nicest guy in the world, but you hate him simply because of the color of his skin.

...and that would make you an ass.

So you see why intolerance of intolerance isn't really intolerance by the social definition of the word.
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It'd be like hating Bill because his girlfriend was hot, or because his parents were poor etc.
 
nutjob said:
My point is if you can't see something as obvious as the long history of institutional racism in the GOP then you'll likely deny that Roof who is clearly a racist, was inspired by a group who called themselves conservatives which is the ideology of the Republican party.

Do you understand now?
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Nut jobs (you'll pardon the term) like Roof do not represent me as a conservative no matter how much he claims to be one so your characterization that he does represent what conservatives really believe is offensive.
 
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Renzatic said:
There's a difference for hating a person for what they are, and for who they are.

Do you hate Bill because he's an ass? Does he annoy you all the time? Throw rocks at your house? That's not discrimination. Bill can always choose to wise up, realize what an ass he's been, and quit throwing rocks at your house. He might do this because you pointed out how much an ass he is.

But an ass is what he is, not who he is.

If you hate Bill because he's black, that's another thing entirely. You hate him because of his state of being. Something he can't change. He could be the nicest guy in the world, but you hate him simply because of the color of his skin.

...and that would make you an ass.

So you see why intolerance of intolerance isn't really intolerance by the social definition of the word.
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calling me an ass, how intolerant of you....why, because i think different, but thats not who i am? maybe I'm Bill?

and yes intolerant is being intolerant....doesn't matter what context. people just refuse to look at it that way because there is no "feel good feelings" in that......
 
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I can’t wait to see what happens when a flaming tranny applies for that sexton job at a Southern Baptist Church in Mississippi.
 
It's funny how you believe that people should have to tolerate your intolerance. It's not self-defeating whatsoever.

GREEN4U said:
It's funny how you guys are so intolerant of those who you think are intolerant. Under your new definition of tolerance, all ideas are equally true and valid. Well if you stick to that, you can't say Christians are bigots without making yourself the intolerant one. See, it's self-defeating.

Have a nice day.
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iBlazed said:
Yes because one has to be gay to support common sense civil rights. This mindset is the problem with this country.
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First of all, I have nothing agains gays. But here is a hint for you: supporting human and civil rights can be very diverse. In case of Apple, it seems to be narrowed down especially to gay rights only. I plead for FOXCONN worker rights, even if they are not gay.

Secondly, you take any post way too seriously.

And finally: thankfully, I am not in "this" country, and I have the right to have different mindset. So, don't bother.
 
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Eraserhead said:
It'd be like hating Bill because his girlfriend was hot, or because his parents were poor etc.
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The former would probably fall under assness, the latter might be intolerance, especially when you considering all our current hot topic political issues.

It's confusing describing intolerance, because it's a simple concept that pretty straightforward and self explanatory, but somehow isn't for some people...
 
Renzatic said:
Caucasian serves as the catch-all term for European/Slavic-or thereabout people. Kinda like how Chinese and Japanese people fall underneath the Asian blanket.
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Exactly: you have to differentiate a Caucasian as a term and a Caucasian as a person, who lives in Caucasus.
 
Wondercow said:
No Alzheimer's gene has been discovered, therefore Alzheimer's disease is a choice.
No "straight gene" has been discovered, therefore being straight is a choice.
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And thus every straight person can choose to become gay at any point. I happen to always ask people who say that to tell me when they chose to be straight. Of course, that's ignoring the role of hormones and the inability for people to really choose how their brain works.
 
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iBlazed said:
Wow, talk about revisionist history. Your local school system has failed you.
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Aside from his last point, which is an opinion, and his next-to-last point, which is an allegation (the alleged quote of LBJ is actually much nastier), the rest are documented facts. However, they are politically inconvenient, and it's likely YOUR local school system skipped or glossed over them.

iBlazed said:
And I guess Johnson's "attempt" worked. Because in the 21st century the Democrats are the champions of progressive values today.
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Progressives are just one of the many special interest groups that the Democrats have cobbled together into a voting bloc.

iBlazed said:
Maybe you should rewrite history to make the first black president a republican too.
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The first elected President is a Democrat. But, I hate to burst your bubble: the first black Presidential candidate was a Republican: Frederick Douglass. He was a minor candidate, but did receive a vote during the roll-call vote in the 1888 Republican Convention.
 
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Michael Goff said:
And thus every straight person can choose to become gay at any point. I happen to always ask people who say that to tell me when they chose to be straight. Of course, that's ignoring the role of hormones and the inability for people to really choose how their brain works.
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Exactly. And if it's a choice, how does it happen that I really cannot get warm with the thought of having sex with a woman? I mean, even if I try hard to think of it being fun, the choice seems really impossible for me to make. What's wrong with me (beside the obvious...)????
 
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QCassidy352 said:
Yes, but "Asian" is a correct umbrella term for Chinese and Japanese because both of those places are in Asia. Caucasian is an incorrect umbrella term for "white" people because not all "white" countries are in the Caucasus region. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
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Yeah, but I think it's just one of those things that got picked up somehow, and eventually became a part of the lexicon. It might not be exactly right, but we all ended up using it anyway, and now here we are.

If I had to take a guess as to why, I'd say it's because the Caucasus Mountains are located almost dead center between Europe and Russia, the classic homes of the white people demographic.
 
iBlazed said:
Yes because one has to be gay to support common sense civil rights. This mindset is the problem with this country.
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That's very rich coming from a community of individuals who enjoy Apple products. Civil rights? How do you think these products are made? Does neo-slavery ring a bell? I'm all for equality, but let's no kid ourselves here. We're all consumers of 3rd world wasteland products.
 
GREEN4U said:
It's funny how you guys are so intolerant of those who you think are intolerant. Under your new definition of tolerance, all ideas are equally true and valid. Well if you stick to that, you can't say Christians are bigots without making yourself the intolerant one. See, it's self-defeating.

Have a nice day.
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I don't think that "Christians" by default are all bigots. Obviously there seem to be a lot of them who use their mythology as reason to discriminate those that they think are icky and yucky and stuff, but the rest of those "Christians" really don't have much of a choice as their mythology doesn't welcome individuality and own thoughts, therefore they must follow whatever doctrine they are being told. Everything else would be going against their "god".

Criticizing intolerance is not intolerant. I'm sure that some bigots are having a hard time with watching the developments in the US and other countries, but they will need to live with it, playing the victim doesn't really look too good on them.

(semi-off topic: in a similar way this applies to the "Pope" - I was amused by those who thought that the current one would be "progressive" or a "game changer", it's not like he can rewrite all sorts of goat-herders stories and modernize them to current times - which really would be the only way to get rid of all the misanthropy in "Christianity" which is being revealed more and more due to the recent and current changes in social acceptance of minorities).
 
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Exactly: you have to differentiate a Caucasian as a term and a Caucasian as a person, who lives in Caucasus.
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The people who live in the Caucasus Mountains or either really confused, or have really big heads from all the attention they've been getting.

When they fill out the race section in an application, they're the only ones who get to MEAN it.
 
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QCassidy352 said:
The offensive term is "colored person," or even worse, just "colored." That's very outdated and considered racist. "Person of color" is an accepted, even overtly politically correct term.

Logically of course it makes little sense that one is racist and the other the preferred term, but it's based on historical usage/connotations more than logic.
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And these terms were made by the mostly white ruling class of the USA. It also assumes that white people are non colored and the rest of the world has had color applied to them.
 
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Renzatic said:
The people who live in the Caucasus Mountains or either really confused, or have really big heads from all the attention they've been getting.

When they fill out the race section in an application, they're the only ones who get to MEAN it.
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Yes, they are so tired of it and all those "fake" Caucasians, that they just fill "not your f. business" in those sections :).
 
Renzatic said:
If you go by the color spectrum, that's pretty much the truth of it. White people are non-colored.

...or at least we would be if we were truly white. Most of us fall somewhere in the pink to brown spectrum ourselves.
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Well, actually, if we want to be peculiar, black is the absence of all color and white is all the colors combined...lol
 
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