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Apple Becomes Trillion Dollar Company Again

JMO1 said:
I think with a company spending more than $20b a year in R&D a bit more was expected and that’s why the keynote was a let down. The Xs model didn’t really add anything but a camera and the 11 pro didn’t add much but a camera +\-. After the Xs people said what until next year and then “thud”, not people are just saying the same thing, “wait until next year”. Should we expect big things next year or more of the same?
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To me the 6s and Xs was the biggest jump in features/functions/innovation. The iPhone 11 has some nice updates as well.
 
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citysnaps said:
Those are typical responses of those who are perpetually not happy with themselves or where they are in life. Ragging on someone, something, or some company helps them to deal with it and feel better about themselves. For the next ten minutes or so.
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Or maybe they just do it for the reaction they get here.
 
JMO1 said:
I think with a company spending more than $20b a year in R&D a bit more was expected and that’s why the keynote was a let down. The Xs model didn’t really add anything but a camera and the 11 pro didn’t add much but a camera +\-. After the Xs people said what until next year and then “thud”, not people are just saying the same thing, “wait until next year”. Should we expect big things next year or more of the same?
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I don’t know why anyone would think that next year is going to be anything but an S year. The phone was “redesigned” with a 3 cameras and I think next year will be the S with b-lateral charging, usb-c, and maybe pencil support that everyone was claiming was coming this year. Why anyone thinks is won’t he an S year doesn’t make much sense to me.
 
JMO1 said:
with a company spending more than $20b a year in R&D a bit more was expected
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Yes, but those billions of dollars in R&D money aren’t all going to the next iPhone. In fact, most of that isn’t going to the next iPhone. Several billion of that R&D money is for Apple TV+ content. Likely billions more is for Apple’s pet projects like AR hardware and “autonomous systems.” More still presumably goes toward things like the new Apple Maps, and there are surely other projects that we know nothing about. R&D expenditures are a useful tool for Apple because we never get to know (officially) just how much they’re spending on what projects in R&D.

Besides, what should they be spending iPhone R&D money on? Technology for smartphones has mostly plateaued in terms of major features. We might see better displays, better cameras, or better battery life. We might see the notch reduced in size or removed. We’ll probably see 5G next year, and of course, we’ll continue to see improvements to Apple’s silicon. Other than that, though, the iPhone (as with all other smartphones) is poised to be mostly iteration from here on out; even these things generally don’t take big R&D bucks.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
I doubt it. They get a laugh out of people getting riled up over what they post. Entertainment, pure and simple, IMHO.
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Well, that could be true as well for those needing some laughs in their lives.

But really, it's to get that feeling of power that's lacking in their not-much-else-going-on lives. And needing to hate on some person, thing, or company to feel good about themselves. That manufactured aggrandizing outrage seems to be common now on most social media.
 
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citysnaps said:
Well, that could be true as well for those needing some laughs in their lives.

But really, it's to get that feeling of power that's lacking in their not-much-else-going-on lives. And needing to hate on some person, thing, or company to feel good about themselves. That manufactured aggrandizing outrage seems to be common now on most social media.
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What’s the difference between that and the opposite; those who defend every move a company makes and praise everything they make and do? Are they lacking something in their lives too? Everything you have said fits equally with the opposite side.
 
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AppleScruff1 said:
What’s the difference between that and the opposite; those who defend every move a company makes and praise everything they make and do? Are they lacking something in their lives too? Everything you have said fits equally with the opposite side.
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Correcting FUD and calling out those who post lies is quite a bit different than those who hate-post, isn’t it. Most in the Apple-hate crowd are just desperate for attention, they don’t care if it’s positive or negative.

Here’s Apple regaining their trillion dollar valuation, in large part by putting out a much improved version of their best-selling model—and simultaneously reducing the price! Yet the Apple hate-crowd don’t see what very smart investors see, they hate-post about the look of the camera bump. Apparently they value form over function but whatever. Tim Apple knows what he’s doing, and proves it time after time. Video streaming for a month for the cost of a single movie rental? 100+ games for $4.99/month? Mr. Apple is killing it 🙂
 
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PickUrPoison said:
Correcting FUD and calling out those who post lies is quite a bit different than those who hate-post, isn’t it. Most in the Apple-hate crowd are just desperate for attention, they don’t care if it’s positive or negative.

Here’s Apple regaining their trillion dollar valuation, in large part by putting out a much improved version of their best-selling model—and simultaneously reducing the price! Yet the Apple hate-crowd don’t see what very smart investors see, they hate-post about the look of the camera bump. Apparently they value form over function but whatever. Tim Apple knows what he’s doing, and proves it time after time. Video streaming for a month for the cost of a single movie rental? 100+ games for $4.99/month? Mr. Apple is killing it 🙂
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Oh, the irony!
 
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Bawstun said:
The calm before the storm. Once they see how little these devices sell, the stock is going to tank in the coming years. Not good!
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Yah. The coming years... tank tank tank. So bad.... nobody will buy iPhones. Big storm! You really know your stuff, I’ll say that 🙂.
 
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Mosey Potter said:
Well that’s what stock buybacks will get you, but this is not the true value of this company.
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Buybacks actually do nothing to the market cap. They make earnings per share higher, but create no value on their own.

If anything, fewer shares means the stock has to be even higher to achieve the same market capitalization.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Really? Wow! Their not normal like people defending a trillion dollar company as if someone had insulted their family?
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There’s absolutely zero narcissism or sociopathy in fending off hate-posts.

AppleScruff1 said:
Sure there is, you choose to ignore it, and that’s fine.
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Oh there is? Is that why you can’t identify any?

Trillion dollar valuation is awesome. Why can’t you enjoy the fact that Apple’s making you a ton of money in your 401(k)? Be gone. Back under your bridge.
 
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AppleScruff1 said:
What’s the difference between that and the opposite; those who defend every move a company makes and praise everything they make and do? Are they lacking something in their lives too? Everything you have said fits equally with the opposite side.
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That makes no sense. Those people, whoever they are, are not hating on or trashing any person, thing, or company.

As I said previously, the aggrandizing faux outrage is across social media in general. Expressing that anger helps them feel better about themselves. For a few minutes.
 
Bawstun said:
The calm before the storm. Once they see how little these devices sell, the stock is going to tank in the coming years. Not good!
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Ah yes, the permabear with another inane “hot take” on Apple’s fortunes. How much has being wrong about Apple cost you? Or you just don’t believe in capitalism and refuse to own stock in great companies?

Again, your refusal to see the facts doesn’t make you qualified to predict the future. You have been nothing but wrong. You constantly predict doom and no matter what milestone Apple hits, you give some generic take on them failing at a future date. No specific time, no details, no facts why...just a statement it will happen.

Sure, everything could change, but the data points to nothing but success and so does reality. People are making real money and Apple has the earnings to back up the valuation if you understand anything about stocks.

It must suck to sit out every rally while people who own the shares continue to collect dividends and watch their investment grow. No wonder you’re so bitter.
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thecastle said:
Except the iPhone XR, which was widely predicted on this forum to be a gigantic sales failure, was the best selling phone this year. The iPhone 11 is even $50 cheaper than the XR, Apple does their market research very well. The stock will do the exact opposite of tanking.
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And aggressively priced $50 cheaper with MORE features. The Xr is going to sell like hot cakes.
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ghanwani said:
They just issued $7B in new debt to continue their financial engineering operations, so that should count for something!
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Spoken like someone with zero understanding of capital markets.

Apple has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder cash and saved interest by refinancing their debt at a lower rates. It makes nothing but mathematical sense and has zero downside. When interest rates are this low, you take free money.
 
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citysnaps said:
That makes no sense. Those people, whoever they are, are not hating on or trashing any person, thing, or company.

As I said previously, the aggrandizing faux outrage is across social media in general. Expressing that anger helps them feel better about themselves. For a few minutes.
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Aren’t those who are defending Apple and insulting those who post negatives doing it to feel good about themselves too? Serious question.
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PickUrPoison said:
Tsk, tsk. Poor deflection. Still can’t point out any “irony”.

Can’t you enjoy profiting from Apple?
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Funny thing is, I didn’t post anything negative or positive, I simply made a comparison and you keep proving me right.
 
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AppleScruff1 said:
Aren’t those who are defending Apple and insulting those who post negatives doing it to feel good about themselves too? Serious question.
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Jeez you are trying so hard to get something, anything, to stick.

The answer to this round is also no. Serious answer.

It's not about defending Apple. It's about what's going on in social media (with MR included), as I pointed out previously, where people need to manufacture some faux aggrandizing outrage and hate in order to feel good about themselves.

Try again.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Aren’t those who are defending Apple and insulting those who post negatives doing it to feel good about themselves too? Serious question.
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Funny thing is, I didn’t post anything negative or positive, I simply made a comparison and you keep proving me right.
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Poor deflection.

You claimed there was irony in my post. You’ve yet to identify any. Maybe it’s time to admit you were wrong?

I can’t see why you can’t enjoy Apple’s trillion dollar valuation. Why look a gift horse in the mouth?
 
citysnaps said:
Jeez you are trying so hard to get something, anything, to stick.

The answer to this round is also no. Serious answer.
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I merely gave you my take on what you posted. Obviously if someone has a different view than you, they have serious psychological issues.
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PickUrPoison said:
Poor deflection.

You claimed there was irony in my post. You’ve yet to identify any. Maybe it’s time to admit you were wrong?

I can’t see why you can’t enjoy Apple’s trillion dollar valuation. Why look a gift horse in the mouth?
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Anyone who doesn’t think like you is wrong.
 
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