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Apple Becomes Trillion Dollar Company Again
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Nice try. And again no. Aggrandized hating on a company, person, or product is not having a different view than I have.
Maybe you can get something right on the next try?
I never said anywhere nor implied at all that they were doomed. I said I thought the show was weak and that the stock price would drop.
I mean, I get you want to be the everyone can have an opinion and not be wrong guy, but that’s missing the spirit of this discussion.
Apple is objectively one of if not the most successful company of the last 10 years, in the world, yet people predict failure...it was done in this thread.
You didn’t like the keynote, you don’t like the direction, you don’t like the products...that’s fine. But taking those opinions and projecting them as if others think the same and it will mean doom for the company....that’s where people need a reality check. This company is killing it. We can go over the numbers if you want. Suffice it to say, $60B in profit and 2 enormous businesses growing at double digit rates mean Apple has a clue.
People keep being snarks about “inept” management, no direction, and crap products while the numbers keep proving them wrong. I think that’s the part that gets tiresome. You have to separate your opinion with reality.
And I didn’t say you predicted doom. I said many here do...all the time, regardless of the facts. That’s what gets repetitive.
I honestly just put it out there for discussion, and I shouldn’t have. I’m requesting moderation to remove my posts in this thread.
Yes - that's the problem - it really ruins the threads. People should be able to say whatever they want of course, but the "Apple Doomed" guys just won't go away.
Someone once said "It's extremely difficult to win an argument with a smart person, and next to impossible with an idiot"
I have had that thought as well. Surely it’s a common strategy for companies to hire ‘internet slander firms’ to try and destabilize their competition? I’ve never heard of a reputable news article about it, but I’m sure it happens. I mean Russia went that route during the last US elections.
Sometimes I imagine a whole cubical office of people in front of computers 9-5, earning wages to troll all manner of things their firm has been contracted to troll.
Edit: thanks for dropping the term ‘Astroturfing’. I’m reading all about this now.
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Precisely my point. Stock price is not determined or influenced by your average consumer who watched the keynote out of curiosity or interest.
Every part of the keynote was designed to meet or even exceed investor expectations, and it shows.
For one, the pricing on Apple Arcade and TV+. $5 is dirt cheap, and you get the video streaming service free for a year with purchase of new hardware.
Entry level iPad to appeal to new users, thereby drawing them into the Apple ecosystem.
Lowering of Xr and iPhone 8 pricing, iphone 11 pricing at $699, $199 series 3 Apple Watch, improved customisation options with the Apple Watch and always-on-display designed to appeal to users with series 3 or older watches.
While there was no mention of the apple tag, or the reverse wireless charging in the Note10, it should also bear remembering that these were ultimately just rumours spread by outfits like Bloomberg (and then parroted by everyone else as though they were certified facts). If Mark Gurman gets his intel wrong, that’s on him, not Apple.
I would say it was a solid event all round.
A 5.27% yield gives you $52,700 in cash on $1,000,000 worth of AT&T stock. That's actual money you can use or reinvest. Yes, if you trade constantly, then you can sell the Apple stock and reinvest that money as well; otherwise those are just unrealized gains. Obviously the best way to do it is have a combination of growth and mature stocks. But AT&T is still highly underrated in my opinion.
Unrealized gains are a good thing. Any gains are welcome - anyone will agree with that
You can get a margin loan on your AAPL shares - you don't have to sell and have the capital gains. You can postpone that capital gains tax until your accountant advises you about it.
A buy and hold strategy for AAPL vs ATT over 10 years is something you might want to do.
5.27% dividend is pretty awesome - but wow, when it is high like that it makes you wonder about the company. Super High dividends are often risk traps.
In this case it is AT&T - the phone company. PE is 16. Market Cap is nearly 300 Billion! Huge! I'm not an expert on ATT stock - but I am an expert on AAPL stock, for sure.
That dividend is cool, but ONLY if ATT stock price holds up year after year, and it's really done nothing much for the last 10 years - I wouldn't say that's great performance. It's just OK.
Stick with AAPL - They keep raising the dividend 10% or so per year, and it ends up that it's still less than 2% dividend - but mainly because the stock keeps going up and offsetting the dividend
. So many positive AAPL stock factors.
I think you are probably a real person - totally.
But honestly I was in Atlanta and was chatting with my Taxi driver one time, several years ago - and he was making money by making negative posts and getting paid for it. He told me he had set up about 50 Google accounts (and it was becoming more difficult for him to do that), but yeah, he would be directed to make negative posts somewhere for something, and I was relating to him that it sounded a lot like the paid shills who I suspect are targeting AAPL stock.
I was wondering if this age of machine learning stock tracking neural networks could be affected by the negative words on these user group threads.
For instance - I do a scrape of text data from places like "MacRumors" and others and see how many instances of "doomed" (that's a bit of a bad one, because it's become a joke meme), or "pass" or "not buying" or other cleverly selected phrases. You tell the machine learning bot to correlate or see if it can correlate anything.
There are many AAPL stock articles with double posts of paragraphs - on Yahoo Finance a lot - like an old webmaster trick to build up a meta file - before Google took over all that SEO type stuff. Maybe they do not care if people read the articles. They are click bait, but also serve to sway the robots.
I want an opinion poll on the new iPhones. I could make a survey monkey thing and try to get people to answer the survey, or I do like Facebook and Google and figure out what the "experts" here on MacRumors really think. The inept jr analysts at.Goldman Sachs or other places probably use any algorithms they can. And you know what is interesting to me is that sometimes it does not even have to be right or be about analyzing good information. We have seen planted propaganda articles almost on a yearly schedule. In January - what's that Japanese sounding company that always makes false claims about iPhone production numbers? Another one is "Longbow" - aren't they broke yet? Some things can become a self-fulfilling prophesy - so being smart doesn't even matter, and being right also doesn't matter sometimes.
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Stick with AAPL - They keep raising the dividend 10% or so per year, and it ends up that it's still less than 2% dividend - but mainly because the stock keeps going up and offsetting the dividend
It really depends on what kind of investor you are, so there is no right answer
AAPL is incredibly volatile, so you can easily lose those paper gains you had made.
The 5% AT&T is a good place to park money temporarily if you were trying to accrue dividends while you strategize on a time to buy.
Many people who don’t do options do both where you park in high yield index funds then pull out when you feel it’s the right time to buy a stock like AAPL. It’s a win win to always be moving real gains around and not hold on paper money aka unrealized gains.
I'm not suggesting it is happening, but you don't even need to hand-pick phrases like that (that's really just old-school pattern matching of text) - what you'd likely use is just basic NLP (Natural Language Processing) with sentiment analysis. How well that sentiment analysis can detect sarcasm/jokes is another question altogether of course.
Microsoft was a trillian dollar company in April, big whoop Apple
https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/25/18515623/microsoft-worth-1-trillion-dollars-stock-price-value
https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/25/18515623/microsoft-worth-1-trillion-dollars-stock-price-value
It’s the sad truth. These comments are really asinine. If you guys hate Apple so much then there are soooo many other companies to buy from.
Really a shame.
I don’t think you need a poll to understand that a lot of people are underwhelmed with this years iPhone. No bilateral charging, no usb-c, no pro-motion display, no pencil support, no in app photo controls, all with another “wait until next year” promise of these things coming to fruition.
We essentially have the exact same phone as last year with a better camera, which is exactly what the XS phone was.
And you don’t need a poll to understand there are a lot people excited for what these phones bring over the prior releases, in terms of battery, camera, display, lte speeds and what not. Same as every year for the last 10 years.
And Apple is to blame for people circulating fake rumours, resulting in unrealistic expectations? You should be going after people like Ming Chi Kuo or Mark Gurman for spreading fake news.
Rumors or not I think people have a right to be disappointed when for the past few years all we’ve seen since the X are camera improvements and not much else.