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i ordered 2 - one with overnight delivery ($17 extra) and one regular delivery (free) - which ever one gets to me second gets returned. Apple was a bit too confusing with their delivery options.
 
i ordered 2 - one with overnight delivery ($17 extra) and one regular delivery (free) - which ever one gets to me second gets returned. Apple was a bit too confusing with their delivery options.
Chances are the overnight will reach you first. Did you really need the TV that quickly that it was worth paying $17 extra? Could've rented 2-3 good movies or bought some apps for it with that money.
 
I was all set to order one this morning, and then during the process, just backed out. It looks great, but I think I'm going to wait to see what is available in the App Store before making the purchase. I want to see what this thing can do that justifies getting rid of my current Apple TV.
 
Question: My tv has only 2 HDMI slots, which are currently occupied. With my new Apple TV would I be better off swapping one of them out every time I want to use Apple TV or would an HDMI switcher work just fine?
 
Question: My tv has only 2 HDMI slots, which are currently occupied. With my new Apple TV would I be better off swapping one of them out every time I want to use Apple TV or would an HDMI switcher work just fine?

You'd be better off buying a more modern tv with more than 2 hdmi inputs... Switching the wire back and forth will get old FAST.
 
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Okay, so $149 and it looks to be a really solid device. I just want to know why they do not just include an HDMI cable. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

It is a bit pain in the assy but fact is most HDMI devices do not come with the cable. Sure, they could price the product $5 more and pack in a $2 cable so the product true plug n' play out of the box but my guess is big box retailers lean on manufacturers to not include the cable. This way the retail has a venue to make more profit on the sale since most electronics are low margin.

That's not to say Apple isn't making good margins here, just that electronics in general are low profit propositions which is why retailers lean so hard on extras like cables and extended warranties.
 
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Yes I am totally aware of that.
But Apple is so rich they can afford to swallow some of that currency fluctuation.
Did our wages increase? No. So have Apple products gotten more expensive for Canadians? Yes.

Is every producer of products in the US expected to adjust their prices to account for your country's currency fluctuations? Pretty weird logic, IMO.
 
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Those insulting the low numbers of 4K movies available forget we went thru exactly the same rhetoric with HDTV: people making fun of those buying 1080p equipment when there were only a dozen or so HD movies available. Obviously the number of suitable titles did, and will, increase relentlessly. And yes, some of it is poorly upscaled content - that will improve as well, just as it did for HD.

4K hardware doesn't cost that much (early HDTV devices were significantly more than 4K is now). If you have it, you can watch what is available...and what WILL be available when it arrives (that being soon!), while the current naysayers scramble to catch up (and try to find something else to complain about).


One huge difference; 4K doesn't really provide that much of an improved image quality unless you have a really large TV and sit rather close. Things like more fluid image by going Plasma or OLED makes a much larger difference compared to 1080P vs 4K. And the current content is really lacklustre, 4K through Netflix is using such a low bitrate that it barley looks anything better than 1080P to begin with.

In order to achieve good 1080P quality you need at least 8-15 mbps depending on the content, with 4K unless you utilise H.265 aka HVEC you need four times the bandwidth in order to achieve the same amount of data per pixel. That's 32 to 60 mbps and Netflix is currently limiting 4K bandwidth to around 10 mbps which isn't remotely close to be enough in order to achieve a good amount of detail per pixel.
 
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What I don't understand is why Siri got restriced to a few countries when every other iDevice can use it on all supported languages regardless of apple-id location.
 
One huge difference; 4K doesn't really provide that much of an improved image quality unless you have a really large TV and sit rather close. Things like more fluid image by going Plasma or OLED makes a much larger difference compared to 1080P vs 4K. And the current content is really lacklustre, 4K through Netflix is using such a low bitrate that it barley looks anything better than 1080P to begin with.

In order to achieve good 1080P quality you need at least 8-15 mbps depending on the content, with 4K unless you utilise H.265 aka HVEC you need four times the bandwidth in order to achieve the same amount of data per pixel. That's 32 to 60 mbps and Netflix is currently limiting 4K bandwidth to around 10 mbps which isn't remotely close to be enough in order to achieve a good amount of detail per pixel.

Agree with most of what you said, but HDR makes a massive difference in PQ. Granted, there is not a lot of HDR content or even HDR 4K sets
 
Question: My tv has only 2 HDMI slots, which are currently occupied. With my new Apple TV would I be better off swapping one of them out every time I want to use Apple TV or would an HDMI switcher work just fine?

I use an automatic switch box on one of our TV's, with my sons Xbox and an :apple:TV. Works fine.
 
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Touche, as I have about 5 laying around myself. Just struck me as odd I guess. Lightning cable being included will be very useful nonetheless.

Strikes me as odd as well. I have more lightning cables laying around then I do HDMI cables so they could have used the same reasoning and not included a lightning cable. It's inconsiderate IMO since the thing really is useless out of the box. Very un-Apple but they've been doing that with the Apple TVs so I'm not surprised this generation. Same thing happened to me when I bought PS3 controller and there was no micro-USB cable provided. I actually don't have Micro-USB devices in my household so I didn't have a cable to charge the controller and be able to use it. Nintendo is doing the same thing with their 3DS and not including an AC adapter. I really wonder how much these cost-cutting tactics save the companies.
 
I was going to give this some time before I pulled the trigger but it's been a stressful Monday which means I'm more likely to emotional shop (and also eat...don't ask how many mini Snickers I've had today)...

Which is what I did. Pre-ordered!
 
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Question: My tv has only 2 HDMI slots, which are currently occupied. With my new Apple TV would I be better off swapping one of them out every time I want to use Apple TV or would an HDMI switcher work just fine?

There are switches that switch automatically when they get an input signal - nothing to do and works like magic. Might not work for the apple tv since that one has no true on/off - but if you put your other two devices (e.g. cable and game station) on it, you should be fine. I had one for years before I upgraded my TV and I rarely had to touch the buttons to switch by hand.

Or alternatively (what I used on my other older TV): most programmable remotes can also control HDMI switches - so you go once through the pain of setting up the remote and than you can store all the remotes in a safe place, use only one programmable one, and have (almost) unlimited HDMI ports at your disposal.
 
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The arguments against 720/1080 were different. With those resolutions, the argument was "it's not that big of a difference to warrant upgrading," whereas with 4K, for many applications the argument is "your eyes aren't capable of discerning a difference."

Take a 60" TV, for example. To appreciate the benefit of 720 over standard def, you only have to be within about 20 feet of the television. To appreciate the benefit of 1080 over 720, you'd have to get within about 12 feet. Most people sit within those ranges, so 720/1080 usually is able to offer a benefit.

But to appreciate the benefit of 4K, you'd have to be sitting no further than 8 feet away from that 60" TV. If the TV was 50", you'd have to be no further than about 6.5 feet.

Many people simply don't sit close enough to a large enough television to perceive any increase in detail from 4K. Of course, moving to 4K would be of great benefit to people running front projector setups and the like (or people who sit really close to their large flat panel sets). But that makes 4K closer to a niche feature. 720/1080 provided an immediate benefit to the majority of TV viewers.

Thanks for the level headed response Marvin. I watch a 65" 4K from about 12' - and tend to think I can see the difference between non and 4K content. But that said, I'm pretty darn happy watching 1080p on this screen too.

I'm probably just more annoyed at Apple for the same reason as I'm annoyed about soldering ram, or a 5400 rpm drive in premium priced equipment. I want Apple be to better, and not settle for what they can get away with...

A favorite story of mine regarding Apple is that S. Jobs spent oodles of time and money getting the backlighting under the apple logo (on laptop covers) just right. Would they do that same thing today - doesn't look like it.
 
It would make the box bigger and you know how Apple feels about small boxes.
It's also probably 'what cable to include'. Five feet? What if TV is on wall? Nine feet? Then Apple has to have cables in stores for replacements. No, thanks, I bet was the response to all that.

I don't think many video items have HDMI cables except DirecTV DVRs which are (sometimes) supposed to be installed by an 'installer'. And I have several cables ready to go, too. Last time I ordered something from Monoprice, I threw in several just for an occasion like this. :)
 
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Chances are the overnight will reach you first. Did you really need the TV that quickly that it was worth paying $17 extra? Could've rented 2-3 good movies or bought some apps for it with that money.
did i NEED it that badly - no - did i want it that badly - yes ;) I bet they both show up Friday in which case I'll return the one with the expedited shipping.
 
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