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One huge difference; 4K doesn't really provide that much of an improved image quality unless you have a really large TV and sit rather close. [snip]

You missed my overall point: we went thru EXACTLY the same rhetoric with the onset of HDTV. "No better without big screen & sit close." "Lackluster & limited content." "Bandwidth limits." etc.

Yes, my next display will be a 4K significantly larger than the HDTV it replaces and which in turn was significantly larger than the CRT it replaced.
Yes, I can see the difference at a common (for my home) viewing distance.
Yes, bandwidth will suck initially but I've done my part to have enough and Netflix et al WILL increase what they supply.
And yes, when all the tech & content involved improves sufficiently I will be able to enjoy it as it improves.
Oh - and yes, you WILL get your own 4K display et al. I'm only impressed by your argument if you're still using a CRT as your primary home movie screen.
 
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I was all set to order one this morning, and then during the process, just backed out. It looks great, but I think I'm going to wait to see what is available in the App Store before making the purchase. I want to see what this thing can do that justifies getting rid of my current Apple TV.
For me, the A8 processor, universal search, and Siri are justification enough. I assume that apps will be coming. And given the history of the App Store, I think it's a pretty safe assumption.
 
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Can anyone explain the 32GB vs 64GB? I mean, is the 64 more for those who will be gaming? I myself am not a big gamer but with the 64 only £30 (in UK) extra it seems a big stupid not to go for the larger unit?
 
Can anyone explain the 32GB vs 64GB? I mean, is the 64 more for those who will be gaming? I myself am not a big gamer but with the 64 only £30 (in UK) extra it seems a big stupid not to go for the larger unit?

You most likely won't need it - but it won't hurt you. I went with the 64GB since there is no option to upgrade it at a later point.
 
One huge difference; 4K doesn't really provide that much of an improved image quality unless you have a really large TV and sit rather close. Things like more fluid image by going Plasma or OLED makes a much larger difference compared to 1080P vs 4K. And the current content is really lacklustre, 4K through Netflix is using such a low bitrate that it barley looks anything better than 1080P to begin with.

In order to achieve good 1080P quality you need at least 8-15 mbps depending on the content, with 4K unless you utilise H.265 aka HVEC you need four times the bandwidth in order to achieve the same amount of data per pixel. That's 32 to 60 mbps and Netflix is currently limiting 4K bandwidth to around 10 mbps which isn't remotely close to be enough in order to achieve a good amount of detail per pixel.

Not to mention that when HD first came out, we got that fancy 720P or 1080i TV, only to see 1080p come out a year or two later. I'm not spending $1500 on a 55 inch 4K TV, only to find out that next year, 4K-X or something is coming out. Eventually, you have to take the plunge, as something new is always around the corner, but first generation new TV standards can be expensive if you guess wrong.
 
I don't think so. There are two different types of gift cards -- Apple Store gift cards and iTunes/App Store gift cards. The iTunes/App Store gift cards are frequently offered at a discount by PayPal and other merchants. I've never seen Apple Store gift cards offered at a discount anywhere.

This may be the case but then why does my iTunes balance come up on my phone when I enter a Apple store? I have it linked to my ApplePay. I thought that would mean I cause that balance in the store using ApplePay.
 
Oh for sure I would be better off that way but I'm not in the market for a new tv at this time so swapping them out will have to work for now lol

Thanks for the input though.

I hear you. The are still on the expensive side of "splurging" haha. Actually, try the hdmi splitter. I think Walmart may have them for like 18 bucks.
 
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For me, the A8 processor, universal search, and Siri are justification enough. I assume that apps will be coming. And given the history of the App Store, I think it's a pretty safe assumption.
Exactly the same for me. The slowness of my ATV 3 is on my last nerve so the A8 is a huge thing for me as is Siri so I don't have to take 5 minutes to type in a word and keep going back and correcting spelling errors.
 
Is every producer of products in the US expected to adjust their prices to account for your country's currency fluctuations? Pretty weird logic, IMO.
No but out of all the tech companies selling products in Canada, Apple is the only one doing radical price increases, how do you explain that?
Oh and no need to be so arrogant, the US economy isn't doing so great either
 
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So, this can't be precisely as it looks. I've not touched one of these things, but the 'loop' has to lock into the sides of the lightning port (like one of the PC Kingston security adapter things...). Not that I would want to twirl the remote around my head on this loop attached that way... but it *has* too. :)

Indeed. Nice catch. :cool:
 
very true - there are no reviews yet, it is pretty much unknown which apps are available now (and later), most of us already have a streaming device and don't need this and the price point is less of an excuse as with the previous genration .... but yes, I had to order it too (true Apple Fanboy, sometimes in denial, but I proofed it by this action of order and that I checked next day shipment since I don't want for it any longer as required - only a true fanboy would check this)

I don't really agree. I was ready to buy it the minute I knew it had unified search, and the ability to issue commands via Siri. As far as I'm concerned everything beyond that is gravy.
 
I'm probably just more annoyed at Apple for the same reason as I'm annoyed about soldering ram, or a 5400 rpm drive in premium priced equipment. I want Apple be to better, and not settle for what they can get away with...

A favorite story of mine regarding Apple is that S. Jobs spent oodles of time and money getting the backlighting under the apple logo (on laptop covers) just right. Would they do that same thing today - doesn't look like it.
It actually reminds me quite a bit of how the first iPhone only supported EDGE data over AT&T's network, despite the fact that phones with 3G support were already quite common. I only offer that example to suggest that the Apple TV might not be different in this respect under Steve's watch.
 
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I can easily tell you've never been to an Apple store, because they're always crowded on the norm. I wasn't referring to "crowds" or "waiting" in terms of the TV. I was referring the store always being very busy and crowded with customers. Not always easy to get help there.

What shipping costs? Every piece of Apple hardware I've purchased online was shipped for free.


Oh, okay.
 
Strikes me as odd as well. I have more lightning cables laying around then I do HDMI cables so they could have used the same reasoning and not included a lightning cable. It's inconsiderate IMO since the thing really is useless out of the box. Very un-Apple but they've been doing that with the Apple TVs so I'm not surprised this generation. Same thing happened to me when I bought PS3 controller and there was no micro-USB cable provided. I actually don't have Micro-USB devices in my household so I didn't have a cable to charge the controller and be able to use it. Nintendo is doing the same thing with their 3DS and not including an AC adapter. I really wonder how much these cost-cutting tactics save the companies.

Comparable products (Fire TV, Roku 4, Bluray players) do not include an HDMI cable. People always compare the costs of similar products without considering whether the cable is included; and I do not believe the average consumers prefers one product over another even one tiny bit because of whether the cable is included.
 
It's also probably 'what cable to include'. Five feet? What if TV is on wall? Nine feet? Then Apple has to have cables in stores for replacements. No, thanks, I bet was the response to all that.

I don't think many video items have HDMI cables except DirecTV DVRs which are (sometimes) supposed to be installed by an 'installer'. And I have several cables ready to go, too. Last time I ordered something from Monoprice, I threw in several just for an occasion like this. :)

Right. If they had included a cable, people would complain that it wasn't the right length.
 
You missed my overall point: we went thru EXACTLY the same rhetoric with the onset of HDTV. "No better without big screen & sit close." "Lackluster & limited content." "Bandwidth limits." etc.

Yes, my next display will be a 4K significantly larger than the HDTV it replaces and which in turn was significantly larger than the CRT it replaced.
Yes, I can see the difference at a common (for my home) viewing distance.
Yes, bandwidth will suck initially but I've done my part to have enough and Netflix et al WILL increase what they supply.
And yes, when all the tech & content involved improves sufficiently I will be able to enjoy it as it improves.
Oh - and yes, you WILL get your own 4K display et al. I'm only impressed by your argument if you're still using a CRT as your primary home movie screen.

Man, believe me, you are wasting your breath here. Apple has endorsed 1080p for this box and that's all these people care about. Thus, 4K is a gimmick, stupid, "you can't see the difference," "until the whole internet is upgraded," "until everything in the iTunes store is available in 4K", "the chart" and on and on... will just keep on being spun... exactly as the very same was spun when Apple's :apple:TV2 clung to 720p while the rest of the AV space had pretty much moved on to 1080p. Back then 1080p made no sense, was a gimmick, "until everything in the iTunes store..." and so on (even "the chart" was the same with just different screen resolutions written in).

Note how Apple HAS embraced 4K in just about everything else. The most important product shoots it's videos in 4K. It has iMovie (or Macs have FCPX) fully capable of editing 4K and rendering it. Retina Macs- such as the 5K iMac touts the ability to edit 4K at up to full quality resolution. The renders are to an Apple Quicktime file that will go right into Apple's iTunes. In short, EVERY link in the Apple chain is already 4K. But this crowd won't fault Apple for embracing the gimmick in all that other stuff... just this ONE Apple product is where it makes no sense... until...

Only when Apple rolls out :apple:TV5 "now with 4K" will all this anti-4K sentiment evaporate. In short, take note of all the people putting it down here... then see if they come back to rip Apple for embracing 4K when the "5" is rolled out. They won't. Instead, it will be "shut up and take my money"... exactly as it was when Apple finally embraced 1080p in :apple:TV3. This is exactly the same story with the very same arguments being spun to rationalize what Apple wants us to buy now... all of which will just vanish when Apple rolls out the "5". Some of these same people will then be in those threads gushing praise for that new "5."

Basically, what Apple has for sale now is the one perfect thing for all. Nothing else can make any sense. Do not "think different." Only when Apple shifts can some other thing become the new perfect... and it does... just about every time they shift. See perfect smart phone screen sizes vs. "abominations" bigger than those screen sizes... until Apple went 4" and then again when they went 4.7" and 5.5" (I'm still looking for all the pants with bigger pockets and man purses- did nobody buy the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones???). Or see anti-NFC threads ("gimmick", "stupid", "useless", etc) until Apple rolled out Apple Pay and then we wanted to boycott stores that wouldn't let us pay that way. And on and on.

It's really very simple: a 4K :apple:TV would not put any burden on anyone to buy anything 4K (no new TV sets, no 4K videos, etc). Those happy with 1080p (or 720p or SD) videos could keep right on watching their preferred resolutions (better hardware can easily downscale to lower resolutions). Games rendered for 1080p (or 720p) would just be upscaled on 4K televisions just as 1080p or lower movies are now, so no burden on the hardware or graphics engine would be necessary. Etc. So the anti-4K crowd would have absolutely nothing to lose had Apple gone 4K here. But the pro-4K crowd could have been made happy by Apple too. And the following chain could have been an entirely Apple chain all the way to the TV: 4K shot on iPhone-> edited in iMovie/FCPX-> rendered to Quicktime-> Stored in iTunes-> Apple TV-> 4K TV. Just one missing link for a WHOLE solution from Apple.
 
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Just going based on the delivery dates from Apple. If you the express shipping , it's saying you'll get it on the 30th which is Friday. Guessing the Apple Store will have them in store that day. Something tells me to be patient and wait to see what happens.
These are the current delivery estimates on apple.com. I don't think they will be in stores Friday, there really isn't a launch date.

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Ordered a 32gb version earlier and then though "I should probably get an additional remote too" anticipating some multiplayer games. $80 for an additional remote?? Ouch
 
Oh for sure I would be better off that way but I'm not in the market for a new tv at this time so swapping them out will have to work for now lol

Thanks for the input though.
Not sure why he answered you that way, not very helpful. A simple HDMI switcher will work fine. I use one from Monoprice on my young daughters tv for her apple tv 2 and have zero issues.

On another note I ordered my new one this morning, curious to see where this is headed.
 
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