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Apple Begins Seeding Mac OS X 10.6.1 for Testing

steveh said:
Because there are only so many hours in a day?

Open the process up to everyone in Known Space, and most of the feedback you get will be useless.

Select a group of reviewers that you know are competent to test the candidate release, and you get better input and a far better chance of getting the release worked through in a reasonable amount of time, with a reasonable expectation of success.

And yes, I've dealt with this sort of thing in hardware development over the past 30 years.
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The worst part is you end up getting more feature requests than identified bugs and the average person is useless for reporting problems in any way that resemble meaningful.

"MY COMPUTER DOESN'T WORK AFTER UPGRADE!"

"Can you be more specific."

"Yah. I guess. My computer doesn't 'function' now."

"Gee, thanks."
 
gibbz said:
If you wish for a company to not release software until it is perfect, then you can wait from here until eternity because there is no such thing.
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"There comes a time in the development of every product when you have to tear it out of the hands of the engineers and just ship the sucker."
 
pzee said:
Many of you remind me of this ->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk
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lol, yea i got a good chuckle out of that one... mind you what wasnt mentioned is the fact that many people as consumers are spending their hard earned cash on these services and do 'expect' them to work. The example of internet on airplanes came to mind, although an airline may offer it as a free or bonus service, surely its included in the price of the ticket, its just a little harder to complain on failure if its advertised as a complimentary service anyway. :rolleyes:

we now return you to our regularly scheduled program...please stand by ;)
 
has anyone else's trackpad been acting funny, delaying and such (especially on flash-based things)?

Hopefully this update will restore the trackpad to it's previous level of capability.
 
rwilliams said:
Yeah, I've been following those discussions since I installed Snow Leopard, and it still won't work. A lot of people using IPSec over UDP connections are unable to use the Apple client, and are having to still use Cisco's client instead.
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ok gotcha.

I was just pleasantly surprised that all my stuff works like it is supposed to.

I used my $10 upgrade disk on my maxed out 24" imac that I purchased in Feb..err i mean in june. :D

Printers work, stuff is faster, got hard drive space back...etc.. knock on wood, no issues.

So when the VPN worked the first try i was pretty WOW'd
 
10.6 has been pretty good for me in general - noticeably more responsive and lots of little refinements.

The only issues I have noted so far are that 5.1 (AC3) passthrough from with iTunes has stopped working (it only started working in late builds of 10.5) so this is a bit of a regression and the calculator no longer lists imperial gallons in the conversion options.

Also my HP printer (Deskjet 5850) doesn't have a driver from HP or open source - it works basically with 5900 series option but I don't have access to the usual features.

Interestingly the only non-64bit Kernel extensions showing in System profiler are for my Drobo so I might be able to try the 64-bit kernel soon.

I'm also hoping some apps like VLC appear as 64-bit soon.
 
xeex said:
good to see that admit that SL is just garbage in comparison to Leopard.
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Yeah, just like Leopard was garbage compared to Tiger. :rolleyes: I've installed Tiger a few days ago on a second partition on my MacBook and it keeps amazing me. The menubar, the Dock.. everything looks better to me. Also, speedwise, it's much, much faster on my MacBook. I kinda miss Tiger, but I can't stay in the past forever I guess. I did use Leopard from day one though, it's not like I never used Leopard.

Sure hope 10.6.1 fixes a LOT of bugs because 10.5.1 didn't fix that much IMO.
 
I'm hoping for:

* Mail fixes... LOTS of them. Its embarrassingly sh*t.

* An updated Safari... 4.0.4 to iron out last new nitro/Javascript issues

* Bug fixes, especially the fact that 10.6 spotlight indexes Time Machine hard drives even when you tell it not to and some graphics rendering irregularities.

* iTunes X (MUST be Cocoa and 64-bit)

* H264 acceleration using 8600M GT

* Optional ZFS read/write support in the Kernel (I can only dream....)
 
jmpage2 said:
The only thing rubbish is your comments. Have you ever tried clean installing Leopard or SL without re-importing your preferences and user data to see how it runs?

I'm pretty sure you will find that it runs quite well and that you will be able to slowly add back your applications until you find out where your incompatibility problems are coming from.
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You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.
 
Macinposh said:
You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.
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I always fresh install, no matter what. I don't mind rebuilding my system if it ensures everything will run smoothly. It only takes me a night anyway, so it's no biggie. It's all preference though.


I've had no major problems with SL, just a few minor quirks. QT X doesn't like to play on full-screen, which is an issue I had with Leopard Classic when it first came out. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon. Other than that it's just software incompatibility (maybe 2 or 3 apps), that I expect to get fixed shortly.
 
No problems so far ...

Glad to see that 10.6.1 is coming out to help some of those people having trouble. So far I've upgraded the following systems:

MacBookPro 4,1 - Clean Install ; no issues

has 4GB of memory and 3rd party SD/XD card reader.

I enabled 64-bit Kernel boot via nvram/boot-args

3rd Party Apps: Office 2008, Omnigraffle, VMWare Fusion; World of
Warcraft.

Standard Use of Mac Apps: Mail, iLife 09. No issues.

Lots of Ruby on Rails development; I use Ruby 1.9.2 and just needed
to re-compile the Phusion Passenger apache module.

No issues except with VMWare ... Version 2.0.5 does not work with 64-bit
kernel. I have to boot into 32-bit kernel to run it which isn't too often.

White MacBook - Clean Install; restore from TM backup

Apps: Mac Apps, iLife 09 & Microsoft Office 2008.

No problems.

MacPro Jan 2008; Upgrade from 10.5.8

Same apps as MacBookPro; no issues except VMWare Fusion under 64-bit
kernel.

This system has a Drobo attached; no issues with Drobo.

All 3 systems share a networked Brother 9840CDW printer/scanner. No issues with this printer; the driver *was* upgraded.

Also, boot times on all the systems are/seem faster. Not a bad release in my experience but we mainly do development work C, Perl, Ruby and don't rely much on devices and software which has custom drivers.

Your mileage may vary.
 
Thank god!

I am having a ton of issues with programs crashing when simply trying to save files. Even Apple programs. Preview, Quicktime 7, Entourage, Photoshop CS3 to name a few. Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't this be considered an Apple issue and not a developer issue? I'm not a programmer by any means, but system wide crashes when trying to save files seem like an OS issue not a 3rd party developer issue. This is my biggest beef with Snow Leopard so far. Anyone else having these problems?
 
aardwolf said:
I was invited and accepted to test, but haven't received the new build yet. Maybe it's an even smaller subset of the accepted testers?
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Normally at the start of whatever customer seeding project becomes available, it may take up to a few days until you can download builds/access the discussion forum(s). Other times (especially during business hours in Cupertino and particularly with this seed), you can be up and running within minutes after you've accepted the invite.
 
Everything in Snow Leopard for me has been far better/smoother than Leopard. The only problems that I have is that Flash and iChat seem to take up 90-100% cpu usage and cause my cpu fans to rev up to 5000 rpm. Expose and spaces animations also seem to lag. Does anyone else have these problems?
 
If W7 is released with half as many issues as SL the press will have a feild day and Apple will make a commercial about it.
 
scroto said:
If W7 is released with half as many issues as SL the press will have a feild day and Apple will make a commercial about it.
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I'll take a buggy OS X over a near-perfect Windows version any day. And SL seems to be just fine for the majority of users. The main complaints seem to be printer drivers, which is to be expected.

And I applaud the press for whatever it can do to damage MS' image. The more their third-rate products are exposed and ridiculed, the better. Their back-asswards, amateur copies of OS X have gotten them quite far, but these days even the most average consumer is wising up to the fact that MS has lost its edge.

A corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor can only keep up the act for so long.
 
Master Chief said:
Which you can check by simply entering the following line:
Code: 
ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
Which should return: "firmware-abi" = <"EFI64">
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eastcoastsurfer said:
That's not enough. You have to have a machine listed by Apple. Specifically the MBP 3,1s list EFI64 (b/c they are fully 64bit hardware with SR chipset) yet they will not boot the 64 bit kernel. I would like to know why I can run any other 64 bit OS (Vista, Win7, Linux) natively, but not the latest OS X.
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64-bit kernel support is also disabled for all Macbooks (MBs, not MBPs), even for those with a 64-bit EFI.
 
I just want all the 64 bit stuff enabled and running. I've had the beach ball pop up more than it has in the past but I'm betting it's because of all the 64 and 32 bit stuff fighting. That's apps though. The system is stable and my stuff works. Just need all my apps on the 64 bit boat. :D
 
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