Apple Begins Seeding Mac OS X 10.6.1 for Testing

[avidmacuser]

You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.

Yes you could go that far and say that but it wouldn't be accurate. A clean install is 'always' the recommended choice to avoid most of those types of problems. This of course is no guarantee that every problem gets solved. If it sparks... a fresh install may NOT be the answer.

 

[vegfarandi]

I hope they fix the icon-changing bug. I can't change icons at all. When I try, the icon just turns into an ICO-file icon.

 

[lssmit02]

Re: Printers - a reinstall of existing driver might work

I lost a Xerox Workcentre Pro 255 with the upgrade. Went to Xerox site, which said that their 64 bit driver was not ready yet, but that existing driver would work with 32 bit programs (Office 2008, e.g.). Downloaded and reinstalled, and bingo, network printing with full options back for Word, Acrobat and other programs I use a lot.

Of course, YMMV.

 

[slapppy]

I haven't had a single problem with Snow Leopard on either 3 of my Macs but any update from Apple will be good.

Same with me on my MBP 2.5 and old iMac 1.83. Straight up update with Family Pack DVD, nothing special done on the machines. It all works. Canon printers work fine.

 

[avidmacuser]

Am I the only one noticing that the Finder seems a bit sluggish? Most notable when scrolling the icons don't populate right away.

Yes it was that way for me too... like a four-wheel-drive with one flat tire. Also sometimes finder icons didnt show up after copying files off my ipod. As I said before, ive reinstalled 10.5.8 and waiting for several 10.6.x bug fixes to roll in, then watch the forums, and then, when I am satisfied after looking at the compatibility list (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/) that the programs I use and may likely use in the near future have been given the compatibility check mark.... will I try again.

Not that I am not interested in all the new improvements but I really dont care for spending a few hours to re-install the os, re-install applications, and configure all of those only to be disappointed in its stability / compatibility. And yes I could just update my system preserving my current leopard settings but no...I too prefer to start off on a fresh clean slate with the least amount of problems or potential glitches. Its that type of experience I am looking for and I am willing to wait a while longer to get it as close as I can to the user experience I'm looking for.

 

[sam10685]

What's the build number? Nothing matters but that.

 

[numbersyx]

Still waiting for my copy of SL - sounds like most people will have 10.6.1 on their Macs before I get 10.6!!!!!

 

[Spinnetti]

I've found a couple things:

> Machine crashed first launch of Front row (seems ok since)
> Didn't carry over my printer drivers as advertised, but internet load of them worked fine, so no biggie
> 1/3 of the time my machine starts with no bluetooth (critical since that's all I have for mouse and kbd, and introduced with 10.5.7)
> Large finder copies fail (over 40k files) with "duplicate file found" type message, even though there aren't any.

Spoke too soon
> Opening folders in icon view results in delay to build icons, even with a small amount of them

That's it so far.

 

[cult hero]

You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.

No OS has ever upgraded nicely for me. Not Windows, not Ubuntu, not <insert some other Linux distro> and I generally don't even trust Apple. New OS means new clean setup for me. I use it as an excuse to get rid of programs I never use and dump data I've been hoarding for no food reason. Sort of a digital spring cleaning.

The time it takes to do a clean install will more than be made up for by the headaches that are saved.

I have had good luck with Apple's migration tool though. For simpler setups than mine it's been trouble free.

 

[Bubba Satori]

I'll take a buggy OS X over a near-perfect Windows version any day....And I applaud the press for whatever it can do to damage MS' image.

 

[Whaleyland]

I did an update install three days ago and had little problem. As expected, Quicktime X crashes whenever I try to play an .avi file. Also, Boot Camp 3.0 won't install on Windows XP. It states that it can't find BootCamp.msi (even when I select that very file), which I believe means it is having an version check problem, but I can't find a way to fix it. Other than that, my MacBook (Late 2006, 3GB RAM, 320HD) isn't booting up as fast as advertised (although still faster than before), feels much warmer than it did under 10.5, and still lags on a bunch of programs. MS Word 2008 also crashed a lot until I applied the latest update (from last week). It also seems to misead my remaining battery life because it has gone to hibernate now twice at about 5% remaining. Oddly, after force shut down and removing the battery (also twice), it still resumes from hibernate rather than shuts down entirely. Really weird! I hope that means they are closer to getting hibernate mode working with Boot Camp (where both OSs can hibernate to allow no-restart booting). Overall, though, I am not too happy about the new OS and am really looking forward to the 10.6.1 update. I only wish my Mac had a graphic card so I could use the new OpenCL and Quicktime features...sigh...

 

[aprilfools]

10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6 have all worked fine for me upon initial installation. I have a feeling that those with problems have alot of 3rd party software on their Macs. Solution: unless you absolutely can't live without someones software, don't install it. Just more crap to corrupt your system. Look at the crap that comes out everyday on versiontracker.com. Always a ton of stuff you mostly don't really need.

Those of you with all the problems with 10.6 most likely have your fair share of it on your mac. That is where the problem really is.

 

[Matt-Man-Plus]

I know I'm probably gonna get roasted for this question but what is the difference between a clean install and an upgrade? I'm waiting for my copy of SL to come in the mail and I don't know which method I should use to install it. I currently have a time capsule and use time machine for wireless backups of my unibody MacBook.

Does a clean install mean that SL is installed and all files, settings and prefrences are gone and the system is like it is the day I took it out of the box? From reading various threads here it seems like that is the preffered method. If this is the case do you just move your files back from an external HD? Can you use a time machine restore from a time capsule?

 

[compuguy1088]

Which you can check by simply entering the following line:

ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi

Which should return: "firmware-abi" = <"EFI64">

My MacbookPro 3,1 reports EFI64, even though it does not support booting snow leopard with a 64 bit kernel (Note: I have not upgraded to snow leopard).

 

[pbrooks]

10.6 Seems to be running well on my Hackintosh, better than 10.5 did.
The Finder no longer feels like it's held together by sticky tape.

I would've liked to try 10.6 on my MacBook Pro but its Nvidia 8600 broke and is in for repairs.

The only problem I have is EyeTV skipping frames or crashing the computer all together, which didn't happen in 10.5, but this is most likely an EyeTV problem.

My EyeTV Hybrid works fine with v. 3.1.2 of the software since upgrading to SL. I was worried it wouldn't.

 

[cult hero]

I know I'm probably gonna get roasted for this question but what is the difference between a clean install and an upgrade? I'm waiting for my copy of SL to come in the mail and I don't know which method I should use to install it. I currently have a time capsule and use time machine for wireless backups of my unibody MacBook.

Nah, it's a legitimate question if you've never done it before. Anyone who roasts you for the question isn't worth paying attention to anyway.

It's pretty simple, in and upgrade you install over the top of your existing OS. All the programs and all your data is still there. Trouble is, as I said in a post above, these never seem to go well. There's all kinds of crap that's carried over and doesn't get purged and although the software manufacturer wanted it to be seamless, it almost never is.

On a clean install, you make sure all your data is backed up elsewhere, completely wipe the hard drive and do a "fresh" install.

Yeah. Everything's gone. But there are a couple of options (and I'd suggest checking a few online guides because I haven't done all these personally):

1. The method for the guy who has too much time on his hands (like me): Get ANOTHER hard drive aside from your time machine volume and user a program like SuperDuper! to make a perfect clone of your existing drive. Wipe your machine's drive clean, install the OS, recreate your user account manually as if it were a new user and then manually reinstall all your software and manually copy over stuff from your Library folder as you need it. This method is time consuming and a pain. But it'll bring with it the least amount of legacy rubbish. (And admittedly, it's probably overkill. But there were some reports of Apple Mail having issues when bringing over previous settings. I set my accounts up manually and Mail has been better than I ever remember it.)

2. The next method (which I just did on my dad's MacBook Pro) is, once the new OS is installed and you've restarted, the "Migration Assistant." You have a bunch of different options here. It'll ask if you want to migrate data from another Mac, another volume (a cloned hard drive like mine) or a time machine volume. Pick any and it'll give you particular instructions on what to do. Once you select a volume it'll ask you what you want to transfer:

A. User Files
B. Applications
C. Other System Files
D. Other (which was like 8gigs worth of crap when I did this with my dad's machine.)

I checked A and B and everything seems to have gone smoothly.

I don't know precisely how this all ties together with time capsule since all my time machine volumes are simply on USB HDs. But I'm sure it's pretty much the same.

 

[cult hero]

As a thought, I'd be curious to see some kind of metric measuring problems between upgrade installs versus clean installs AND older hardware versus the newer stuff. None of my hardware is that old and I did clean installs on all of it and have been mostly problem free.

 

[mikes70mustang]

"There have, however, been several reports from users who are encountering the spinning wheel of death and battling issues with Snow Leopard's build in Cisco VPN -- two issues which may see some relief under Mac OS X 10.6.1."

Thank God. That built-in Cisco VPN is the FAIL.

I have the Juniper VPN 6.4.0 at my school, it doesnt work at all. And the hack job work around sucks, you have to reload half the pages and it just sucks.

 

[mikes70mustang]

10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6 have all worked fine for me upon initial installation. I have a feeling that those with problems have alot of 3rd party software on their Macs. Solution: unless you absolutely can't live without someones software, don't install it. Just more crap to corrupt your system. Look at the crap that comes out everyday on versiontracker.com. Always a ton of stuff you mostly don't really need.

Those of you with all the problems with 10.6 most likely have your fair share of it on your mac. That is where the problem really is.

Well those of us that use out mac for more than web browsing and youtube watching have to use more than the included software.

 

[Matt-Man-Plus]

Nah, it's a legitimate question if you've never done it before. Anyone who roasts you for the question isn't worth paying attention to anyway.

It's pretty simple, in and upgrade you install over the top of your existing OS. All the programs and all your data is still there. Trouble is, as I said in a post above, these never seem to go well. There's all kinds of crap that's carried over and doesn't get purged and although the software manufacturer wanted it to be seamless, it almost never is.

On a clean install, you make sure all your data is backed up elsewhere, completely wipe the hard drive and do a "fresh" install.



Yeah. Everything's gone. But there are a couple of options (and I'd suggest checking a few online guides because I haven't done all these personally):

1. The method for the guy who has too much time on his hands (like me): Get ANOTHER hard drive aside from your time machine volume and user a program like SuperDuper! to make a perfect clone of your existing drive. Wipe your machine's drive clean, install the OS, recreate your user account manually as if it were a new user and then manually reinstall all your software and manually copy over stuff from your Library folder as you need it. This method is time consuming and a pain. But it'll bring with it the least amount of legacy rubbish. (And admittedly, it's probably overkill. But there were some reports of Apple Mail having issues when bringing over previous settings. I set my accounts up manually and Mail has been better than I ever remember it.)

2. The next method (which I just did on my dad's MacBook Pro) is, once the new OS is installed and you've restarted, the "Migration Assistant." You have a bunch of different options here. It'll ask if you want to migrate data from another Mac, another volume (a cloned hard drive like mine) or a time machine volume. Pick any and it'll give you particular instructions on what to do. Once you select a volume it'll ask you what you want to transfer:

A. User Files
B. Applications
C. Other System Files
D. Other (which was like 8gigs worth of crap when I did this with my dad's machine.)

I checked A and B and everything seems to have gone smoothly.

I don't know precisely how this all ties together with time capsule since all my time machine volumes are simply on USB HDs. But I'm sure it's pretty much the same.

Thanks for the info. I think i'm going with a clean install and then using the migration assistant.

 

[jimr]

64-bit kernel on MacBook

That's not enough. You have to have a machine listed by Apple. Specifically the MBP 3,1s list EFI64 (b/c they are fully 64bit hardware with SR chipset) yet they will not boot the 64 bit kernel. I would like to know why I can run any other 64 bit OS (Vista, Win7, Linux) natively, but not the latest OS X.

Same with my MacBook 4,1 (less than a year old) - it won't boot the 64-bit kernel because some of the kernel extensions it needs (e.g. AppleIntelGMAX3100) are only 32-bit.

Although it's not really a problem. The 32-bit kernel will quite happily run 64-bit applications.

 

[aidym]

You have either a corrupted install or bad hardware (e.g. memory).

Have you tried installing from an external hard drive instead of disk? Maybe you are having issues during installation from disk (e.g. bad dvd player)?

Are you installing from a retail copy or a borrowed copy, this could also be the problem.

I am installing from a retail copy and I don't appear to have any issues during installation.

Most of the issues I mentioned other users of 10.6 are experiencing i.e won't sleep (on various macs), no menu bar after boot up, crashing apps.

The only one I am not sure on is the issue with syncing my iPhone. I think I may have a permissions issue with some of the data I am trying to sync to it.

 

[aidym]

10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6 have all worked fine for me upon initial installation. I have a feeling that those with problems have alot of 3rd party software on their Macs. Solution: unless you absolutely can't live without someones software, don't install it. Just more crap to corrupt your system. Look at the crap that comes out everyday on versiontracker.com. Always a ton of stuff you mostly don't really need.

Those of you with all the problems with 10.6 most likely have your fair share of it on your mac. That is where the problem really is.

A lot of the issues listed here are from those who have done clean installs (myself included). I did however start with an upgrade as I originally upgraded from Tiger to Leopard with no issues whatsoever, but after I upgraded to Snow Leopard my machine was unbearably slow and I only had a handful of apps installed.

 

[BongoBanger]

Interesting.

It's good that a point release is in the works just now, less good that one is required that quickly. As has been mentioned, had MS done this there would be a far bigger outcry.

As an aside, does anyone know if you can get Bootcamp 3.0 drivers without using Snow Leopard? Leopard works fine for me at the moment so I see no need to shift to Snow Leopard until they get it right - if indeed at all.

 

[spudz]

Apple Begins Seeding Mac OS X 10.6.1 for Testing

Yes please hurry up. I'm having issues with my vpn client and quicktime stop playing mp4 files. I'm so glad I didn't upgrade my mac pro.