Apple Begins Selling New Beddit 3.5 Sleep Monitor

[ugahairydawgs]

Sleep is just as important to physical health as going for a jog is. This serves the same purpose as a fitness tracker, just that the activity is sleep. Getting off the couch and going to bed earlier and more consistently can help you lose weight by boosting your metabolism, give you more energy for the day, improve cognitive ability, and reduce your susceptibility to disease.

Right. But that's where my confusion comes in. You don't really need a gadget under your sheet to tell you to not get 4 hours of sleep a night. For something specific like sleep apnea I can somewhat see the usefulness, although I'm not sure I'd trust something like this over the more in-depth equipment used in a sleep study.

But for the general public, I just don't get it.

 

[Will do good]

Such nice first world problem

 

[Cavepainter]

This is not snark. Legitimately. What is the point of this thing? A fitness monitor I get. You see you aren't moving much you can get up off the couch and go for a jog. Don't see a similar obvious use for this.

Both my parents have had medical issues including congestive heart failure and diabetic nerve issues and both would benefit from a better understanding how well they are sleeping. My dad was miserable and nobody could figure out why until one brilliant doctor at the Mayo Clinic went out on a limb and did a sleep study on him one night and discovered he was waking up over 60 times a night. My dad had no idea. He didn't remember waking up once. That valuable info was pivotal in getting him a sleep apnea machine that let him actually get real REM sleep at night. Then they could tackle his other heart issues. Knowledge is power.

 

[Heineken]

Sleep tracking in general is not about one night's sleep, but about collecting data over an extended period of time to see how changes in diet, work schedule, etc can affect your sleep patterns over the long term.

Still useless.
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Both my parents have had medical issues including congestive heart failure and diabetic nerve issues and both would benefit from a better understanding how well they are sleeping. My dad was miserable and nobody could figure out why until one brilliant doctor at the Mayo Clinic went out on a limb and did a sleep study on him one night and discovered he was waking up over 60 times a night. My dad had no idea. He didn't remember waking up once. That valuable info was pivotal in getting him a sleep apnea machine that let him actually get real REM sleep at night. Then they could tackle his other heart issues. Knowledge is power.

That’s useful for a very small group of people , but it’s not why most people will buy it and more importantly why not the people who actually need it.
It’s a gadget for majority who are dying in to micromanage their life kind of like counting water or caffeine and so on.

******** of the highest order.

 

[Cavepainter]

I have no idea why most people would buy it and I wouldn't bc I don't have any sleep issues. But I can see the value for some people that don't sleep well. Simple answer is, if you don't need it, don't buy it.

 

[npmacuser5]

Nice features and with Apple backing the product worth considering.
I use the Apple Watch and the app autosleep. Works well, the results support what my perception of the nights sleep. Provides a nice view and overtime tracking.
If my sleep analysis needs change would consider this product.

 

[ericg301]

interesting. figured they had bought the company to use their tech for a native apple watch sleep tracking app. not to continue shipping separate hardware.

 

[Stryder541]

This is not snark. Legitimately. What is the point of this thing? A fitness monitor I get. You see you aren't moving much you can get up off the couch and go for a jog. Don't see a similar obvious use for this.

The U.S. Institute of Health estimates as many as 70 million people in the United States suffer from chronic, treatable sleep disorders. And the majority don't know it, because it usually happens very gradually over time. They're aware of not getting good sleep most nights, but explain it away with problems in work or personal life or any of a number of unrelated issues. There's tons of good info and research on the Internet if you search on "sleep disorders".

 

[ipedro]

How is this compared to Withings Sleep?

Withings works under your mattress, not under the sheets. I've always found it incredible how it can sense anything through that much wood and foam. The Withings inflates pockets of air and then detects the very subtle variations in pressure. The Beddit has a touch sensitive surface and has to be in near direct contact with your body, only separated by bedsheets.
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This is not snark. Legitimately. What is the point of this thing? A fitness monitor I get. You see you aren't moving much you can get up off the couch and go for a jog. Don't see a similar obvious use for this.

Sleep trackers connected to alarms can directly improve your sleep, your restfulness and your mood in the morning.

Alarm clocks are like the lottery. If they wake you up at just the right time, right after you've finished a REM sleep cycle, you'll wake up feeling rested and with a sense that you woke up on your own. If an alarm wakes you up when you're in the middle of a sleep cycle, you'll wake up startled, groggy and will have a hard time getting out of bed, feeling like you need to hit snooze and go back to sleep for a few more minutes to finish your incomplete sleep cycle.

The odds of a regular alarm waking you up at just the right time are very small. You're most likely to be woken up in the middle of REM. The different to your quality of sleep, restfulness and mood is enormous. Sleep trackers are absolutely worth it.

 

[Heineken]

Withings works under your mattress, not under the sheets. I've always found it incredible how it can sense anything through that much wood and foam. The Withings inflates pockets of air and then detects the very subtle variations in pressure. The Beddit has a touch sensitive surface and has to be in near direct contact with your body, only separated by bedsheets.
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Sleep trackers connected to alarms can directly improve your sleep, your restfulness and your mood in the morning.

Alarm clocks are like the lottery. If they wake you up at just the right time, right after you've finished a REM sleep cycle, you'll wake up feeling rested and with a sense that you woke up on your own. If an alarm wakes you up when you're in the middle of a sleep cycle, you'll wake up startled, groggy and will have a hard time getting out of bed, feeling like you need to hit snooze and go back to sleep for a few more minutes to finish your incomplete sleep cycle.

The odds of a regular alarm waking you up at just the right time are very small. You're most likely to be woken up in the middle of REM. The different to your quality of sleep, restfulness and mood is enormous. Sleep trackers are absolutely worth it.

If you can't sleep you need a joint, not a useless gadget.

 

[nt5672]

Actually it does, and that is also displayed in the health app.

Actually not, some others tracks body movement and heart rate changes to estimate REM sleep. Tracking REM sleep requires a brain wave monitor. The beddit web site does not mention REM tracking anywhere that I could find.

 

[az431]

Whoa, déjà vu. Folks, break out your MacRumors bingo card…

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Looking forward to the version with the MR articles, with gems such as "How to open an app with only one finger"
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Actually not, some others tracks body movement and heart rate changes to estimate REM sleep. Tracking REM sleep requires a brain wave monitor. The beddit web site does not mention REM tracking anywhere that I could find.

His post was edited from "just laying in bed and not sleeping" to "REM sleep" after I commented.

 

[jpn]

Early adopters please post your experiences. Wondering if you feel it on top of the mattress, under your sheet. ( if you do, maybe that’s a reason why it’s reporting that you don’t fall sleep quickly! hah)

the macrumors article describes its thickness as 2mm. which is the same as the older beddit model.
i have the older model.
it is not thick enough to be felt during normal use.
when i first began to use it, sometimes i would check in order to make sure it hasn't slipped somehow, is placed somewhere directly under the upper torso. if you specifically looking to try to find it, yes, you can feel where it is, but when you lie on top of it, you do not feel the difference.
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Looking forward to the version with the MR articles, with gems such as "How to open an app with only one finger"
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His post was edited from "just laying in bed and not sleeping" to "REM sleep" after I commented.

correct.
the beddit app never mentions anything about REM. which is the correct approach.
its algorithm determines what it calls Deep Sleep and Light Sleep seems to be very very well done.
the waves (cycles) that it shows is absolutely amazing to see, and that, for me, has been the key cross reference data / trend that links to waking refreshed.
i really support use of this app (i have the older model, not the newly released one).

 

[Abazigal]

Makes sense. Not everyone is going to wear their Apple Watch to bed, and this could well be the start of a platform of wearables that connect to either the iPhone or the Apple Watch.

 

[dilbert99]

I remember putting an iPhone on the bed with a sleep monitor.

I guess I just don't get the point of a sleep monitor.

Does it really improve your day if it wakes you earlier than your alarm time?
I'd want to know how long sleep cycles were. If they are long, then a sleep monitor is pointless.
If cycles are short, say 15 minutes, then there might be something there to waking you up 15 minutes early.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

Sleep trackers connected to alarms can directly improve your sleep, your restfulness and your mood in the morning.

Alarm clocks are like the lottery. If they wake you up at just the right time, right after you've finished a REM sleep cycle, you'll wake up feeling rested and with a sense that you woke up on your own. If an alarm wakes you up when you're in the middle of a sleep cycle, you'll wake up startled, groggy and will have a hard time getting out of bed, feeling like you need to hit snooze and go back to sleep for a few more minutes to finish your incomplete sleep cycle.

The odds of a regular alarm waking you up at just the right time are very small. You're most likely to be woken up in the middle of REM. The different to your quality of sleep, restfulness and mood is enormous. Sleep trackers are absolutely worth it.

You let your gadget/app decide when to wake you up?

 

[ipedro]

You let your gadget/app decide when to wake you up?

I’m not sure if you’re being purposefully disingenuous or if you’re asking a legitimate question. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

If I set my alarm for 8am, my Withings Aura might wake me up at 7:53am or at 7:59am according to my predetermined range. A period of deep sleep typically lasts about 10 minutes or less. There are other stages of sleep prior to that but what you don’t want is to be startled awake while in that critical REM period.

I have my alarm tolerance set 30 minutes. It’ll usually start waking me up 20 minutes prior to my alarm by raising the temperature in my room, gradually brightening the lights and then close to the end of my REM cycle, start playing music. It knows that once I start moving, I’m out of sleep paralysis and ready to wake up and at that time, plays the alarm tone.

I’ve never had any real trouble sleeping but I’ve always considered myself to not be a morning person because I’d always wake up feeling like I didn’t sleep well and always needed to hit snooze. My whole life has been organized around not being a morning person. Ever since having a sleep analyzer, I often wake up feeling rested and ready to get out bed. I now wake up early every day even though I don’t have to.

 

[atomic.flip]

Still useless.
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That’s useful for a very small group of people , but it’s not why most people will buy it and more importantly why not the people who actually need it.
It’s a gadget for majority who are dying in to micromanage their life kind of like counting water or caffeine and so on.

******** of the highest order.

Reading this discussion thread I believe the only thing more useless than this product is claimed to be are the comments of those making the claims. LOL

 

[MVallee]

Don't see the available on Apple's website in Canada. The old Beddit used to be there, but it's now been removed.

 

[0388631]

Either is useless. You know that your sleep is **** or not and you know if you don’t move enough. That’s obvious.

Plenty of lazy people out there.

 

[MagicKnights]

I have the Nokia/Withings Sleep Tracker that goes under your mattress.

It gives me heart rate, as well as some other metrics which I'm not sure exactly how it does.

I got it for free with a Primary Care Membership I have (www.goforward.com), so I'm not complaining. I like having more data than less data.

Paying $150 a month is not exactly free...

 

[Abazigal]

Still useless.
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That’s useful for a very small group of people , but it’s not why most people will buy it and more importantly why not the people who actually need it.
It’s a gadget for majority who are dying in to micromanage their life kind of like counting water or caffeine and so on.

******** of the highest order.

I did use an app (Waterminder) to keep track of the amount of water I was drinking a day. It was useful in that I at least roughly knew my daily water intake. Though I no longer have a need for it now (it turned out I was drinking more than enough water daily anyways), it was nevertheless useful for helping to quantify one aspect of my life.

 

[ipedro]

It’s telling that Apple has not only kept Beddit as its own product, but it’s now updating it and continuing development. This may turn out to be another side company for Apple.

They could really grow their health business if they were to acquire Withings. Apple has a second chance to do this because Nokia ended up selling it back to the original company. Withings has a very well developed product line of health devices ranging from smart scales, to a sleep monitor, a pressure cuff, and a cutting edge contactless instant thermometer. And all of its products look like they could have been designed by Jony Ive. It’s the perfect acquisition for Apple.

 

[Robertbroussard]

How is this compared to Withings Sleep?

I'd like to know this myself.... I bought the Withings sleep monitor just recently and have not started using it yet. So, does anyone know how this might compare?

Thanks,

Robert

 

[Heineken]

Reading this discussion thread I believe the only thing more useless than this product is claimed to be are the comments of those making the claims. LOL

America proves me right time and time again. It's not even funny.
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I did use an app (Waterminder) to keep track of the amount of water I was drinking a day. It was useful in that I at least roughly knew my daily water intake. Though I no longer have a need for it now (it turned out I was drinking more than enough water daily anyways), it was nevertheless useful for helping to quantify one aspect of my life.

How is it useful? Please tell me. There is no magic number of how much water you have to drink per day. We have this thing called A BODY, it's pretty smart too. It tells you when you need water and how much.
If you are not thirsty then you don't drink. How does this simple thing escape peoples heads?