Apple Begins Selling New Beddit 3.5 Sleep Monitor

[arturmeireles]

I have whitings/Nokia sleep sleep sensor and I'm very satisfied. Works great. Better than the sleep tracker on my fitbit charge 3. All the info is very detailed.

 

[SeaFox]

Whoa, déjà vu. Folks, break out your MacRumors bingo card…

He also complained about the prices. I think you can take that second row end.

 

[Codpeace]

Either is useless. You know that your sleep is **** or not ... That’s obvious.

Your comment is staggeringly ignorant. And incorrect.

Do you snore when you sleep? How many times on average do you wake during your sleeping hours? How much time do you spend in REM sleep as a percentage of total sleep?

What — you don’t know the answers to these questions?

 

[flimpy]

I was looking for a wireless tracker / logger of humidity and temperature, to see how well my whole house humidifier performs (in different bedrooms) during outside temperature variations. This thing tracks temperature and humidity, plus tracks sleep too. Nice. Will take two.

 

[DoctorTech]

This is not snark. Legitimately. What is the point of this thing? A fitness monitor I get. You see you aren't moving much you can get up off the couch and go for a jog. Don't see a similar obvious use for this.

This is definitely a niche market item (at least in its current state). I wear an AW4 but I do not plan to buy a Beddit.

The only use I see for this type of device would be tracking longer term trends in sleeping patterns. Yes, most of us know when we go to bed, when we get up and if we felt like we had a good night's rest or not. But how did your sleep in November 2018 compare to November 2017? Are you consistently going to bed at the same time or are you tending to stay up later / get up earlier as you get a little older? It might be interesting to be able to answer these questions but for me its not worth $149 to do so.

 

[tromboneaholic]

This is definitely a niche market item (at least in its current state). I wear an AW4 but I do not plan to buy a Beddit.

The only use I see for this type of device would be tracking longer term trends in sleeping patterns. Yes, most of us know when we go to bed, when we get up and if we felt like we had a good night's rest or not. But how did your sleep in November 2018 compare to November 2017? Are you consistently going to bed at the same time or are you tending to stay up later / get up earlier as you get a little older? It might be interesting to be able to answer these questions but for me its not worth $149 to do so.

It will be interesting to see if any of the sleep tracking features come to the Apple Watch in the form of a stock app. I'm currently using Autosleep, but would like to see Apple's take on a sleep app for the watch.

 

[Heineken]

Your comment is staggeringly ignorant. And incorrect.

Do you snore when you sleep? How many times on average do you wake during your sleeping hours? How much time do you spend in REM sleep as a percentage of total sleep?

What — you don’t know the answers to these questions?

Of course I do.

 

[TraceyS/FL]

Still useless.
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That’s useful for a very small group of people , but it’s not why most people will buy it and more importantly why not the people who actually need it.
It’s a gadget for majority who are dying in to micromanage their life kind of like counting water or caffeine and so on.

******** of the highest order.

I just turned 50 2 weeks ago. 6 years ago I was starting to train for a 5k, with a 1/2 marathon as my goal. I’d discovered I loved running. I was going back to school to be a pharamcy tech. Then I got a job in the pharmacy....

And it has about killed me. Standing kicked off something in my foot, that turned out to be a neuroma that won’t give up causing issues and pain with ANY walking (and just when I get a doctor that will treat it, BAM, they leave or quit taking my insurance). Then I started being extremely exhausted when I got off a 5-6 hour shift. As in, I barely made it to sit on my bed - I felt like I’d been hit by a train. I couldn’t afford insurance without subsidies, and didn’t qualify for Medicaid. Woohoo? I I kept trying to make it thru my days. Then they decided I couldn’t have the water bottle I needed - we could drink on breaks. Oh gee, cue kidney infections - and without a PCP I couldn’t get the documentation saying I needed to drink at will and often.

Finally life jumbled and I got insurance. The PCP decided I had developed fibromyalgia, cue me skeptical, but hey - what did have to loose? I’d like to be able to walk and do things with my kids. The meds worked, pain washed away and I could function again. It’s still been an uphill battler, they know I have something else autoimmune, but all we do it slap something on to treat symptoms. Stupid data collection has become my part time job (I actually currently cannot work much at all), because when I tell the doctor “I don’t sleep”, they brush it off. When I can show them - look, and hey the days I sleep my pain is bearable, they start to listen. Thursday seeing my new pcp (again, thanks insurance), she looked at my heart rate info and without me asking, knew I needed a Holter monitor and stress test. Oh and I have an episode with the ecg stored away too. Woohoo! (I potentially have POTS, not dying of a heart attack for now)

So what I’m trying to get at is.... 6 years ago I was the same, who needs it? Today, I’m a freaking hot mess and it is driving me crazy. If I don’t track my darn water to know I’ve had 3 liters, I forget where I am in the day, cue kidney infection. Fun fun. Not.

Don’t scoff, in a blink you could appreciate the availability of all this stuff. Isn’t gathering data to help see trends and issues better than just taking another pill to make the issue go away and not knowing what it is? So much of what I have could be explained by finally being diagnosed with POTS. But without my Apple Watch and the ability to see my heart rate jump sky high when I brush my hair - I’d not be more proactive with my doctors.

Anyway, enjoy your health - because in a blink, it could be gone.
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It will be interesting to see if any of the sleep tracking features come to the Apple Watch in the form of a stock app. I'm currently using Autosleep, but would like to see Apple's take on a sleep app for the watch.

Same here. Autosleep has been an amazing tool for me though - I appreciate ‘you guys” talking about it in the Watch app forum. When I got my first AW I didn’t need to care about my sleep - because I slept great for 8 hours a night. Now.... well, that is a lofty goal! Lol

But I’d love Apple to do something combining a variety of the features of the various apps into one killer app. They might not want to put those developers out of work yet, so this approach is what we get.

 

[tromboneaholic]

But I’d love Apple to do something combining a variety of the features of the various apps into one killer app. They might not want to put those developers out of work yet, so this approach is what we get.

Thanks for sharing your experience. For a few years I've had a bluetooth adapter for my car that sends the car's data to my phone, such as coolant temperature, battery voltage, fuel/air ratio, etc... When my car has a misfire or loss of performance, I can show it to my mechanic so he sees the data at the time the issue occurred to diagnose the problem. It seems like my cars never want to act up when they are at the mechanic, so the logs let him see the problem. Your post reminds me that our bodies are like finely tuned machines, and the more data we can share with our doctors, the better quipped they are to diagnose and work on us!

Also, I agree it would be great if Apple can do something similar for nutrition and sleep as what they have done for Activity on the watch, and gives us rings to close each day to encourage us to hit certain targets.

 

[balezi]

The whole point of sleep is to switch off....completely.

Having any kind of electrical device near the body during sleep is more likely to harm health than help it.

 

[videoholic]

I want to know if the app requires me to purchase the device first or if it's possible to download now. Can anyone confirm?

Couldn't you just go to the app store and download it and try?

 

[- rob -]

I’ve tracked 884 nights of sleep using the sleep timer app since it came out in 2012.

I mostly use it as an alarm clock, it really makes a difference when you get woken up. It is worth shaving off 15 minutes if you are most wakeful then.

I’m interested in this because I don’t like having my iPhone so close to me when I’m sleeping. Also because I want the power mat so I can toss my iPhone and watch onto it at the end of a day instead of fiddling with two connectors.

I can’t get my sleep cycle alarm if the iPhone is on the bedside table so this product may solve this problem.

This thread reminds me a little of the one about the Ember coffee cup where some people have no idea of the lifestyle where the product solves a real problem.

It is just a problem than they have no familiarity with so they attack the product instead of considering the idea they don’t know everything.

 

[wigby]

Either is useless. You know that your sleep is **** or not and you know if you don’t move enough. That’s obvious.

This tells you more than just if your sleep is bad or not. It can determine what state of sleep you were in, how often, what times, and for how long. Those are the basics of sleep since and unlock further questions that only an equipped sleep study center can truly answer.

Or you can hire someone for a month to stare at you and take notes while you sleep every night for similar data.

 

[Jervasio]

I've had Sense (from kickstarter, which was later discontinued) to track my sleep and I'm now currently using Pillow app for my AW4.

The problem with all these sleep tracking apps is that they give 0 comments based on my sleep to actually improve my sleep quality.
So, although I really like seeing how was my sleep quality. Till they release a sleep tracking app/device which actually says how you can improve it based on your sleep, it will be just another thing that other's already do..

 

[wigby]

Apple is turning into a Brookstone. Who cares that Apple is doing a sleeping toy?
How about you focus on doing computers and iphones better and at a more affordable price instead of wasting money on things that no one cares?

Apple bought this sleep company and their IP. Obviously Apple is gathering a lot of data using this redesigned hardware so that they can model a built in Apple Watch app to measure with the same degree of accuracy. There will be no need for such hardware in sleep analysis for next year's Apple Watch.

Since health tracking is the most popular application on Watch which is their fastest growing platform, I think Apple is doing exactly what they need to do to make better products.
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I went looking and could not figure out what the benefit was. I know how many times I get up at night. I know what the temperature and humidity are. I don't have to have a monitor all night long to know that the temperature is too hot or cold. Besides right or wrong depends on how many blankets are on the bed, and it does not know that. My partner can fully describe my snoring, which has reduced a great deal with weight loss.

It does not track laying awake and not sleeping, which is worth knowing. It does not track REM sleep which is really the most important thing to track.

So where's the beef?

Not everyone has a partner in bed to offer more data points. Besides, you're looking at this too closely. You're supposed to step back and look at the data collected over a year or more. Then you correlate that with larger, slower changes in your life that could have an impact on your sleep schedules and states. Every sleep scientist will tell you to keep a sleep journal for an extended period of time and that is what this functions like for some people. Then you take this data as a starting point to a sleep center so that the doctors can get a headstart on diagnosis and treatment.

You can use this as a casual data collection tool but it's really made for people suffering from sever insomnia and sleep disorders. If you don't suspect you suffer from anything like that, why would you consider this? Besides, since Apple owns this company, they are collecting all of this sleep data being generated to introduce a sleep analysis app built into Apple Watch. It will probably be released in the next major Watch upgrade cycle.

 

[TraceyS/FL]

Thanks for sharing your experience. For a few years I've had a bluetooth adapter for my car that sends the car's data to my phone, such as coolant temperature, battery voltage, fuel/air ratio, etc... When my car has a misfire or loss of performance, I can show it to my mechanic so he sees the data at the time the issue occurred to diagnose the problem. It seems like my cars never want to act up when they are at the mechanic, so the logs let him see the problem. Your post reminds me that our bodies are like finely tuned machines, and the more data we can share with our doctors, the better quipped they are to diagnose and work on us!

Also, I agree it would be great if Apple can do something similar for nutrition and sleep as what they have done for Activity on the watch, and gives us rings to close each day to encourage us to hit certain targets.

So I just bent over to get the crock pot out, set it on the counter, talked to the kid and walked back to my room. Stopped midway - took an ECG on my watch. My heart rate was already going down from the 138 I saw, but it goes all yellow when it’s over 120 and you do it, along with marking my symptoms. Same in the health app - it was kinda cool (mainly since I wasn’t having a heart attack)

I do wish I could free write comments/activities on the various entries though. I don’t understand why I can’t - and dang it, I forgot to have my PCP turn on heart rate tracking for Epic so it goes to my chart.

Anyway, very much like the car thing - I have a non-Bluetooth model.

I am actually excited for what is to come in this area!

 

[0924487]

The reviews on App Store is not very good.

 

[Williesleg]

That's really creepy.
First they had my pin.
Then they collected and analyzed all my photos and videos.
Then they had my fingerprint.
Then they asked for my face. But I didn't get their crappy overpriced phone.
Then they asked for my heartbeat. I didn't get their crappy overpriced watch.
Now they want my sleep patterns.

Hey Timmy, quit collecting my personal data. I own it, you do not.
I can't wait to join the class action lawsuit someday.

 

[boodle]

It will be interesting to see if any of the sleep tracking features come to the Apple Watch in the form of a stock app.

I suspect they will leave this in the 3rd-party realm for the foreseeable future. (Also, Pillow is really great.)

 

[iRutherford]

Couldn't you just go to the app store and download it and try?

I was at work when I asked.

 

[Elian_Gonzalez]

Looks interesting but I already have an Apple Watch and software and don't need data on snoring, room temperature or humidity. Pass.

Snoring isn't some cute affectation: it can indicate sleep apnea, which means you are stopping breathing at points during the night, even if you are unaware of it. And it is highly unlikely you have a partner to wake you up to stop your snoring.

Interesting how techie boyz always insist a product that they don't want must be useless and make sure everyone knows they won't purchase it.

 

[Abazigal]

How is it useful? Please tell me. There is no magic number of how much water you have to drink per day. We have this thing called A BODY, it's pretty smart too. It tells you when you need water and how much.
If you are not thirsty then you don't drink. How does this simple thing escape peoples heads?

I found that for me, it was useful for making me more aware of when I was drinking water (and when I wasn’t).

For example, I can be seated at a desk for hours working on a document, and because I am in an air-conditioned environment, I might not feel thirsty or inclined to drink any water.

The notifications from waterminder (delivered via my Apple Watch) is handy as periodic reminders that I have gone for that period of time without drinking anything. It can be annoying at times (I suspect it’s just a preset timer; I don’t think the app is activity monitoring my activity and inferring my body’s rate of water loss or anything), but I would use them as a signal to take a bio break by getting up, walking to the pantry, maybe even visiting the toilet.

It’s also useful as a means of simply tracking how much water I was taking in (tapping the notification on my Watch was easier than jotting it down. It’s also nice for providing an idea of my water consumption overall over an extended period of time.

Here’s another article on Sally Rooney explaining in The New Yorker how the app WaterMinder helped cure her of fainting spells.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/an-app-to-cure-my-fainting-spells

Hope it helps shed some light.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

I’m not sure if you’re being purposefully disingenuous or if you’re asking a legitimate question. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

If I set my alarm for 8am, my Withings Aura might wake me up at 7:53am or at 7:59am according to my predetermined range. A period of deep sleep typically lasts about 10 minutes or less. There are other stages of sleep prior to that but what you don’t want is to be startled awake while in that critical REM period.

I have my alarm tolerance set 30 minutes. It’ll usually start waking me up 20 minutes prior to my alarm by raising the temperature in my room, gradually brightening the lights and then close to the end of my REM cycle, start playing music. It knows that once I start moving, I’m out of sleep paralysis and ready to wake up and at that time, plays the alarm tone.

I’ve never had any real trouble sleeping but I’ve always considered myself to not be a morning person because I’d always wake up feeling like I didn’t sleep well and always needed to hit snooze. My whole life has been organized around not being a morning person. Ever since having a sleep analyzer, I often wake up feeling rested and ready to get out bed. I now wake up early every day even though I don’t have to.

So you set a time and give it a +/- window? So if you set it for 7am and give it a range of 30 minutes it will wake you up at 7:30 regardless?

If so then I can see the benefit there. I wouldn’t do it, but I at least get that.

 

[ipedro]

So you set a time and give it a +/- window? So if you set it for 7am and give it a range of 30 minutes it will wake you up at 7:30 regardless?

If so then I can see the benefit there. I wouldn’t do it, but I at least get that.

You set the alarm for the time you have to wake up and then give it a tolerance to wake you up earlier. Usually, it's not more than 10 minutes earlier, though at times I've woken up and looked at the clock and found it woke me up at exactly the right time.

 

[imlynxy]

Thanks, Apple, no! My health insurance pays for my sleep study.