Oh please do not try and compare a computer with a wrist strap to a mechanical watch. It's chalk and cheese. Ones made by a robot in a factory (which part is hand assembled? Attaching the strap doesn't count), one is meticulously assembled, hundreds if not thousands of parts, all set in place by one man. Clicking a few wires into place which only go in one way does not require the precision of a mechanical watch.
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Oh please do not try and compare a computer with a wrist strap to a mechanical watch. It's chalk and cheese. Ones made by a robot in a factory (which part is hand assembled? Attaching the strap doesn't count), one is meticulously assembled, hundreds if not thousands of parts, all set in place by one man. Clicking a few wires into place which only go in one way does not require the precision of a mechanical watch.
Hand assembly does not make anything better. Just because my Mother spends days assembling a 1000 piece puzzle of the Mona Lisa, doesn't mean that I want to frame it and hang it on my wall. Even a low quality print is better than that.
Jong Ive is correct, using robotic tools is no different than than a man sitting at a table manually using the same tools. If you can't see the parallels of assembling all those chips and circuits on a logic board, then there's no point in discussing this further. The best craftsman in the world couldn't accomplish the assembly of such a complex piece of hardware by hand.
I'd be interested to know if the edition is hallmarked or not because in the UK and Europe if it isn't hallmarked the gold will be worth about the same as aluminium foil, making the watch the same value as the normal Apple Watch with a sports band.
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No, but it's one of the sole reasons why Rolex and similar are so expensive. There's zero reason for apples over inflated Chinese junk because that's what it is.
Oh where was your watch made? Switzerland.
Oh where was your watch made? China. But it's got some gold on it! And? Still made in China. Would a Ferrari be a Ferrari if it was made in China? No. Would a Rolls Royce be a Rolls Royce if it was made in China? No. People would stop buying them if they started assembling these things in China.
As for the craftsmanship behind logic boards, they're printed. Nothing technical about that. Logic boards for computers are produced by the tens of thousands daily. As are the inner of any apple watch. The inside of the apple watch edition Is identical to that of the cheapest watch sport. Zero difference. So the 10k+ price tag has got absolutely nothing to do with that.
Edit: here's a much more complex motherboard being made. Takes 10 minutes from start to finish including boxing with all the cables/booklets etc and packaged for shipping. Look how easy those chips are put onto the board. You literally just push it in. Even I didn't realise it was that easy. : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdGW1xE6d_k
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I'd be interested to know if the edition is hallmarked or not because in the UK and Europe if it isn't hallmarked the gold will be worth about the same as aluminium foil, making the watch the same value as the normal Apple Watch with a sports band.
Just a though
Apparently both the gold on the strap and the actual watch are hallmarked.
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You called people making the watches peasants/serfs (a poor farmer of low status renting small piece of land for subsistence farming) or in informal usage (someone ignorant, rude and unsophisticated of low social status). Those that work in the factories come from the countryside and make probably 20 times the money they could make there. It is a major upgrade in both economics, status and the potential for something better.
Your whole spiel is reprehensible and haughty. Being moral means looking inward as much as judging others; that's were the work starts first.
Even in a more equal world, say some western socialist democracies like in Scandinavia, there are still people "more equal" than others. Should they also feel bad about spending their money if their already surrender 65% away in taxes?
There a few moral absolutes, usually called human rights. Beyond that there is no consensus and there may never be. We can just try to be the best person ourselves and help those around us. That's less haughty and much more constructive.
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Really, are they machining each parts by hand? No. It's assembly and with time, anyone can do it it. There's nothing magic about it.
Pieces of metal kit jigged together have no more standing, or prestige or whatever than the modern equivalent. If a Chinese workmen in Shanghai does it for 1/20 the price, it has no less value than if a very expensive swiss guy does it. They'll be useless pieces of crap either way. And while a few watch mechanisms could be construed as art, most aren't.
BTW, In a few years (very soon), EVERYTHING will be printed/assembled by robots, even your precious mechanical "marvels" will churned by the truckload to whoever still wants them.
This article seems to make the edition even more over priced
http://leancrew.com/all-this/2015/03/apple-gold/
http://leancrew.com/all-this/2015/03/apple-gold/
While a lot of us had hoped that Apple would use that less expensive gold composite (so that more people could afford an Edition), in the end it turned out that they used normal gold alloy.
So that article does not apply.
Mechanical watches have been made by hand for hundreds of years. Even during the Quartz revolution, mechanical watches were still made by hand. Considering luxury mechanical watches are still popular, they will be made my hand.
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Alternatively, apple did use less expensive gold and kept the same ridiculous price so they could make even more profit.
Even if someone gave me this watch for free I would never wear it. It's gaudy, like driving a Bentley.
Mechanical (Swiss) watches have been assembled by hand. And yes, some parts are made, finished by hand even nowdays. In order to work in a Swiss watch factory, you have to finish a special school. And it takes years while you are allowed to assemble on your own. It is not magic, just an ability to make masterpieces and not gadgets.
I left the parts of your post relevant to what I said, intact.
Which isn’t to say that you didn’t have some good points.
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Sorry, but isn't it a little racist to say something assembled by hand in limited quantities in China is crap but one made in Switzerland by caucasians is high luxury? I've heard via several media sources that one of the reasons companies don't manufacture electronics here is because there's so few Americans with the skill to do it.
People still defending the mechanical watches over a smart watch.
digital watches are far more accurate, far more reliable, far more capable, and far less expensive.
To each his own i guess.
digital watches are far more accurate, far more reliable, far more capable, and far less expensive.
To each his own i guess.
Accurate? Maybe
Reliable? Only when charged
Capable? Definitely
Less expensive? Not really. I looked at a Rolex the other day that was $17k. How's that different than the Edition?
But which is the more accurate timepiece? mechanical watches are incapable of anything like the accuracy of a quartz watch let alone the precision time keeping of an apple watch, even my $100 Seiko solar keeps time to within 2-3 seconds per month, no mechanical watch comes close and let's be honest at the end of the day accuracy is the prime determinant of the quality of a timepiece.
I'm hoping you are talking about luxury dumb watches because the Watch is the epitome of understated elegance. There isn't even an Apple logo visible on it, unlike the gaudy luxury watches that scream ROLEX!!!!!!!!!!
Someone that knows there stuff im so glad I did not have to write all that lol. As he said I would not Call Apples gold watch a luxury watch. Rolexs each take a year to make. You can watch all documentary on it. And yes you can get a Rolex with gold in it under 17k , stainless steel ones are 8k themselfs and they use 904l steel I think it is. I like apple a lot but Im not going to defend them on there none luxury gold watch
accurate? without question, mechanical watches are very innaccurate when compared to atomically synced or quartz movements. not even debatable. the clock on your phone has more accuracy and precision than a mechanical watch of any brand.
reliability is in reference to parts. the intricacies of a mechanical movement are far more susceptible to failure.
expensive? digital watches are cheaper to manufacture, therefore pricing can fall below the average "luxury" mechanical movement.
honestly, the only reasons i can think of to legitimately buy a mechanical piece is a) you like the history and craftsmenship b) you like the brand c) you like the status of owning one.
Rolex: tells time (may or may not be accurate depending on how well the watch has been maintained and whether it has been wound, even auto-winding watches need to be worn to be wound so sitting in a drawer won't cut it), maybe tells the date. Some people think it makes you look wealthy, some people think it makes you look like a douche or an old man.
Watch: tells time (yes, perfectly accurately because the time is based on the standard atomic clock time), date, make calls, text, listen to music...... you get my point. Some people think it's a cool piece of tech, some people think it's a waste of money or hate you because you are an Apple fan
Look, I get the perceived glamour of the luxury watches. They are well made and have a mystique some people appreciate. Personally, I think most of them are ugly gaudy and scream LOOK AT ME, I HAVE MONEY AND NEED YOU TO KNOW IT. I paid a lot for my cuckoo clock from Germany because it has the mystique of being from Germany, home of the cuckoo clock. Doesn't mean it's my best source for time telling. It's a souvenir. It has special value amongst the people who also appreciate it. Other people couldn't care less about it.
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Lmao racist , China is known for the biggest counterfeit of goods. China does not have a good reputation and are affiliated with cheap products . That's why Apple doesn't put made in China on there products. Wonder why they put designed in California on there products ? It's much more appealing then seeing made in China. They put assembled in China designed in California. the only companie I know that does that. Companies don't manufacture here because they can pay people in China penny's on the dollar compared to here. Get your facts straight. Then you have huge tax rate here for business.
Rolexs hold there value.
So the mass produced thing no longer applies.
Well, you know that Rolexes are completely CATIA-CNC machined don't you? It's just the movement that's hand-assembled because it's much simpler that way.
So, we have that:
1- Rolexes are mass produced.
2- Rolexes are created purely by machines, and assembled by humans (like iphones, but the assembly is more complicated)
Then there's the country thing. Do you know that Prada builds in China?
The problem you have is you are biased and you consider Rolex top-end hand made. And they're not, they are just high quality products. The fact is people don't know the real high end watches brands, and that's why rolex is often criticised, because its intensive marketing face (Oh... doesn't that sound familiar to you? High quality+a lot of "marketing" critics??)
You're absolutely correct.
Gold Apple Watch is nothing more than just another novelty to those with millions. Doubt that? Simply Google millionaires. There are far more people in this group than many on this forum realize. Nor do they care about how long it will remain current.
In a month after they've recieved it, the newness is gone, it's been tossed in a drawer and the owner has gone back to wearing his / her favorite AP, MOINET, Chopard, Patek Philippe, et al... all well known, highly recognized and much sought after_true_ luxury timepieces. Each of which has a legendary history that Apple can't buy for their rather plain copy of Tank Watch style.