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Apple has lost its iconic design
 
Is it the right business decision? Probably. Is it the right Apple decision? No. The Apple you know is over. They cannot keep thriving and producing double digit growth from where they stand if they try to grow an even larger base of people who pay $1700 for a display. That would be like Ferrari hoping to be Ford.

The current Apple leaders want the company to be Ford. Their focus is gone. They're in a game of me-too technocracy. So there you are.
Any sane person can understand that any business cannot have a double digit growth indefinitely. That's just wall street speculators' desire. Besides, Apple "minuscule" growth still worth a lot.

Ferrari hoping to be Ford? I don't even understand your point here.

Apple's focus is laser sharp. You want Apple to be just like Acer/Asus, selling razor thin margin cheap stuff, race to the bottom. I'm glad you're not working for Apple.
 
Is it the right business decision? Probably. Is it the right Apple decision? No. The Apple you know is over. They cannot keep thriving and producing double digit growth from where they stand if they try to grow an even larger base of people who pay $1700 for a display. That would be like Ferrari hoping to be Ford.

The current Apple leaders want the company to be Ford. Their focus is gone. They're in a game of me-too technocracy. So there you are.
Thankfully, the Apple you described isn't the Apple I know. The Apple I know will continue to be very successful for a good many years to come.
 
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I used to own the one pictured. It has got horrible color and viewing angles. It gets all washed out unless you are straight on when looking at it.
 
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The touch bar MacBook pros have not begun shipping to customers , why does the article suggest it has?
 
The touch bar MacBook pros have not begun shipping to customers , why does the article suggest it has?

Probably because there's not much of an appreciable difference between "preparing for shipment" and "shipping." They will both arrive next week.
 
These monitor casings are just plastic, are they? Not metal?

The color might be OK if there would be solid black MacBook Pros, but with the current lineup these monitors really do not match at all...
Was Jony Ive asleep while they agreed to that monitor's design?
 
Mine's supposed to be coming on Monday. I'll post my impressions in the thread in Mac accessories.

As I state there, I will most likely return it (I had planned to cancel it, and then all of a sudden it shipped...wasn't supposed to ship til December 12!) but I'll be able to confirm what it can't do (displayport daisychaining, connect to a PC with a displayport--USB C cable, etc.) At least I have a while with Apple's holiday return period!


If possible, please see whether it supports 10-bit wide color (Display P3) ... its NOT an advertised spec, but the capability might be there anyway ... would require a 4K iMac or 5K iMac, or possibly one of the new wide color-enabled MacBook Pros, to test it out.

The pixel buffer format would most-likely need to be set to ARGB2101010 on whichever computer drives your 4K LG display ... thats 2-bits for the Alpha channel, and 10-bits each for Red, Green and Blue.

Apple is NOT currently promoting 10-bit wide color, but some of their more-recent products do support it ... on the capture side, any Apple mobile device with a 12 Mpx image sensor has 10-bit wide color capture "potential" ... on the display side, only the 4K iMac and 5K iMac are currently known to support 10-bit wide color (note that neither is advertised as supporting 10-bit wide color).

10-bit wide color is THE NEXT BIG THING ... the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will most-likely include 10-bit wide color display support ... its probably the reason Apple isn't currently promoting 10-bit wide color ... this isn't Rocket Science, as the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fall into place.

Anything anyone can do to shed additional light on this capability would very-likely be much appreciated by many !

Thanks in Advance.
 
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The pixel buffer format would most-likely need to be set to ARGB2101010 on whichever computer drives your 4K LG display ... thats 2-bits for the Alpha channel, and 10-bits each for Red, Green and Blue.

If you explain how exactly to do this, I'll be happy to. I should get my new rMBP later in the week.

I thought it was assumed these panels were exactly the same as the LG's in the 4K and 5K iMacs, but it's odd they wouldn't advertise the capability.

Edit: They do state they are P3 wide-color.
 
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I really want to buy the 5k as I love the deep integration, color gamut, and simple cables.

But this is so ugly. And the details are wrong. The forehead. The rear Power plus is in odd location off-center so cable drops down side versus behind the support pole. The thick tick support tube and ugly base. And the cheap plastic. So much for caring about the environment.

Clearly this deal was last minute by Apple and rushed by LG. It's why there are no pre-orders. it's still in the labs. I just hope there aren't quality issues due to the rush.

Apple needs to remember pros care about the aesthetic of their environment. They should have insisted on a better case, or even better, had Jon's team design something.

My dream is LG fixes the case and we see a new form factor before launch. I'll buy two if they clean up the form factor.


It shows that it is all about the $ now completely. At apple, does anyone use and external monitor? Would these monitors line up Apples "all Apple" type of ecosystem, especially in their Campus? Apple use to be into the "look" of things and everything being in synergy. They made apple brand mouses, keyboards etc. just so everything is in synergy for the inclusive experience. They use to make the products for themselves (or at least that is what they use to say).

Jony is all about design over form which is ok (that is what he prefers). Because they cannot get their margins on a monitor they stop making a monitor?, that sounds more like a company that is solely "bean counting" which now the New Apple (its ok I guess - it made them where they are today). Again, like I have said before, if a company's vision is that, it is ok (as most have to be to stay in business) but apple does not need to operate now like this.

It shows that management does not use their products much besides for just photos of their grandkids, surfing the internet and "bean counting" spread sheets (probably now use Excel). I suspect that they only use an iPhone and the the new underpowered MacBook because that is all they need. I would love to know what tech gear they actually now use personally.

When Steve Jobs worked with Pixar the Mac Pro was important...why? because he was hanging around those that do creative stuff and wanted them to use Apple stuff. When watching "Toy Story" being created, he probably hated to watch it on a windows XP machine or a Dell or Samsung (ugly at the time) monitor. The Cinema Display was born with the all black edge, giving it a "Cinema feel"...thus the name. With an Apple silver on Black logo on the bottom middle while "His" collaborated movie creation seen above. A beautiful thing... (My thoughts of course). I own the expensive thunderbolt monitor and before the Cinema monitor also.

Now...ugly experience...

The Mac Pro and the Mini excelled when Jobs was around because....he hung around creative content developers who said, This is what we need to do your dreams Steve (i.e. animation stuff). So..Mac Pro had to be a power house to process animation and video...and a Apple monitor to be seen on so it did not drive jobs crazy seeing his creation on nothing less...

Now...sigh....
 
There are several better or lower cost options in the market. I'm not seeing why I would go to Apple to order this. Now if Apple had got LG to make a custom Apple design, a next gen cinema display, that would have some appeal.
 
There are several better or lower cost options in the market. I'm not seeing why I would go to Apple to order this.

Nothing else has the macOS integration / one-cable docking capability. That's the appeal of this monitor.
 
21.5" - that's tiny (for a monitor.) 27" 5K is pretty good... but nearly a grand... . It would be nice if there were a 24" 4K for $599-.

The upside is it has better PPI. I think 24" is the sweet spot for me, though.
 
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I'll be out of town when mine arrives....argh. I'll post my thoughts when I can get a hold of it. YES, it is pretty standard looking (aka. not Apple-like), but it's 4k, powers my MBP, has the P3 color like the new MBP and iMacs and for $524, it's a bargain. I can sell my TB monitor for more than that and come out ahead. I haven't been able to use the TB since I got a MB 12" (now a new MBP). I plugged it in with the dongle to the MBP and the resolution was not as nice as I remember compared to the new P3 retina :). oops! 4k, here I come. The 21.5" is a bit smaller than I'd like. Wanted a 24". 27" is fine, but 24" is about right for me. We'll see how I like 21.5". It's certainly bigger than my 13" MBP :)
 
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