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You're so wrong it almost hurts. These monitors are basically a steal, and that's a very good thing, any way you slice it.

The Apple we know it's alive and kicking, just read the first *real* impressions from real pros about the new MBPs: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-professionals-look-at_b_12894856.html

So a movie editor, which seems to be the only pro market that's Apple considers are pros - not engineers or business users or anyone like that. But in any case this video editor who got early access to a MacBook Pro is going to be completely objective about his experience in his review right? You still believe the media? (note I'm not saying that it's not true I'm just saying that consider the source)

as for this display I think that the price is very reasonable and unlike the thunderbolt displays this one actually seems to have height adjust features (which ergonomically is important for pros and consumers alike)

Even if it's made by LG I can give up a little bit of looks and aesthetics for a much cheaper more ergonomic product (as I stare at a broken thunderbolt display with a defective backlight, after Apple had already fixed the broken thunderbolt cable once).
 
I hate when people say, Steve wouldn't have done this. Steve made lots of mistakes.

But this is a safe bet. Steve would have made LG come up with a better case to pair with Jony's design.

So you hate it when people imagine what Steve wouldn't have done, yet you're quite happy to imagine what he would have done? Conceptualising his inactions and actions are both sides of the same coin. You can't deride assertions of the negative and then proceed to assert the positive - that's hypocrisy by stealth. Any attempts at guessing his intentions as if he were still with us are just projections of your own desires and merely a method to try to strengthen your argument. Using the deceased in this way is disrespectful, cheap and reprehensible!

Necromancy is an impressive trait - maybe you should try Einstein next!
 
Does anyone know if Apple will be the only place we can purchase the LG 5k display once it's out?
 
Put these displays on a monitor arm and most of the ugliness goes away.

I'm not 100% set on these displays but will likely buy a LG USB-C display of some kind soon.
 
Any sane person can understand that any business cannot have a double digit growth indefinitely. That's just wall street speculators' desire. Besides, Apple "minuscule" growth still worth a lot.

Ferrari hoping to be Ford? I don't even understand your point here.

Apple's focus is laser sharp. You want Apple to be just like Acer/Asus, selling razor thin margin cheap stuff, race to the bottom. I'm glad you're not working for Apple.
I agree Apples focus is laser sharp...as an organisation this has always been the case. The focus for many years was to create iconic designs at a quality unavailable from any other manufacturer, offering leading technology and a user experience second to none; this was the Apple I grew up rooting for (we can debate if all of this was down to Steve Jobs). Today, Apples laser focus is all about maintaining margins, penny-pinching and offering pretty ordinary products in a ever more difficult pursuit of those margins. Their ordinary products are still some of the best and the user experience is still one of the best....to be clear, ONE of the best rather than THE best. There are good products out there from organisations who don't have the huge market expectations of 40% gross margins ( though they would love them).

I don't even blame Apple for this new focus, it is a inevitable outcome of their success. Sadly however (again probably inevitable) it leads to pretty ordinary products at extroidinary prices as they do their best to maintain the illusion of the "old" Apple. That Apple has gone.
 
Thankfully, the Apple you described isn't the Apple I know. The Apple I know will continue to be very successful for a good many years to come.
I agree they will be successful but not at the things we all grew up loving. They will probably make more money than the rest probably for the rest of time, if that is your measure of success. Delivering the best possible products, the best possible user experience? Not sure they are very successful at that these days and I see no direction of travel that suggests that is going to improve.
 
I agree Apples focus is laser sharp...as an organisation this has always been the case. The focus for many years was to create iconic designs at a quality unavailable from any other manufacturer, offering leading technology and a user experience second to none; this was the Apple I grew up rooting for (we can debate if all of this was down to Steve Jobs). Today, Apples laser focus is all about maintaining margins, penny-pinching and offering pretty ordinary products in a ever more difficult pursuit of those margins. Their ordinary products are still some of the best and the user experience is still one of the best....to be clear, ONE of the best rather than THE best. There are good products out there from organisations who don't have the huge market expectations of 40% gross margins ( though they would love them).

I don't even blame Apple for this new focus, it is a inevitable outcome of their success. Sadly however (again probably inevitable) it leads to pretty ordinary products at extroidinary prices as they do their best to maintain the illusion of the "old" Apple. That Apple has gone.
I disagree. And if we want to bring Steve Jobs, let's actually hear what he's been saying. He always wanted to create a computer for the "mere mortals." Thus the focus were on GUI, ease of use, all-in-one, thin-n-light laptops, etc. But even Steve Jobs recognized that things are changing (his truck and cars analogy, did people refuse to admit that he said that?). Today's "computers" for most people are not the laptop or desktop that we use today. For many, they first computer is their smartphone, and Apple bet on mobile to the point that they have the most efficient and powerful mobile SoC. Coupled with that, they ventured into various custom silicons (W1, S2, T1, etc). Steve Jobs himself said, quoting Alan Kay, "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

As for margin, healthy margin is needed for a business to be healthy. As I mentioned, Apple is betting on mobile with their own custom silicons. That doesn't come up cheap. Should they be like the rest of manufacturers, just slapping off-the-shelve components and call it a day? Read up Anandtech's review of the Google pixel, it is embarrassing for a phone that is priced the same as the iPhone.

And just because Apple release something expensive, doesn't mean you have to buy it. I don't buy all Apple products. In fact, I usually waited for their Macs to be available on their refurbished site. I simply buy something that I deem fit my needs and budget, and often times it's an Apple product, but often times it's not. My preference and buying decisions does not have to match Apple's clear vision.

A company has to evolve. Look at IBM. The company survived because it recognized that it had to evolve to survive. They daringly ditched their PC making business and remained alive today. If you were a fan of the iBM Thinkpad laptop that time, you would be saying the same doom and gloom.

Nobody will care about the "old" Apple if it's dead.
 
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If Apple is working with LG on these monitors.... as Phill mentioned at the last presentation....

WHAT HAPPENED TO APPLE DESIGN.....

They look like Dell monitors from 6 years ago.
How does this complement the Apple design theme??

Why are you doing this Apple? is perplexing .
 
So you hate it when people imagine what Steve wouldn't have done, yet you're quite happy to imagine what he would have done? Conceptualising his inactions and actions are both sides of the same coin. You can't deride assertions of the negative and then proceed to assert the positive - that's hypocrisy by stealth. Any attempts at guessing his intentions as if he were still with us are just projections of your own desires and merely a method to try to strengthen your argument. Using the deceased in this way is disrespectful, cheap and reprehensible!

Necromancy is an impressive trait - maybe you should try Einstein next!

Dude, you need to chill.

The WHOLE point of the preamble was me acknowledging I was doing something I generally don't like or agree with, yet was doing now because of the extraordinary nature. It's not stealthy, it's an explicit calling out of the paradox to add weight to how bad of a decision I thought Apple was making.

I think if you re-read what I wrote, you'll see I was explicitly using the writing technique. There's no reason to get upset. That paradox, the non-sequitor, was the point.

And please remember some people here worked with Steve. Perhaps those folks have some insight into his thinking. (But I agree with your protecting his memory.)

Finally, no need to get so cranked up. It's just a blog for a tech company and their enthusiasts. Let's have fun and exchange ideas.
 
If Apple is working with LG on these monitors.... as Phill mentioned at the last presentation....

WHAT HAPPENED TO APPLE DESIGN.....

They look like Dell monitors from 6 years ago.
How does this complement the Apple design theme??

Why are you doing this Apple? is perplexing .

Apple didn't design this. They just told LG what to make and made it work nicely with macOS.
 
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I used to own the one pictured. It has got horrible color and viewing angles. It gets all washed out unless you are straight on when looking at it.

Did you have the 28" version? The 28" model is a TN panel, but the 24" model is PLS, which I've heard is quite similar to IPS.
 
I disagree. And if we want to bring Steve Jobs, let's actually hear what he's been saying. He always wanted to create a computer for the "mere mortals." Thus the focus were on GUI, ease of use, all-in-one, thin-n-light laptops, etc. But even Steve Jobs recognized that things are changing (his truck and cars analogy, did people refuse to admit that he said that?). Today's "computers" for most people are not the laptop or desktop that we use today. For many, they first computer is their smartphone, and Apple bet on mobile to the point that they have the most efficient and powerful mobile SoC. Coupled with that, they ventured into various custom silicons (W1, S2, T1, etc). Steve Jobs himself said, quoting Alan Kay, "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

As for margin, healthy margin is needed for a business to be healthy. As I mentioned, Apple is betting on mobile with their own custom silicons. That doesn't come up cheap. Should they be like the rest of manufacturers, just slapping off-the-shelve components and call it a day? Read up Anandtech's review of the Google pixel, it is embarrassing for a phone that is priced the same as the iPhone.

And just because Apple release something expensive, doesn't mean you have to buy it. I don't buy all Apple products. In fact, I usually waited for their Macs to be available on their refurbished site. I simply buy something that I deem fit my needs and budget, and often times it's an Apple product, but often times it's not. My preference and buying decisions does not have to match Apple's clear vision.

A company has to evolve. Look at IBM. The company survived because it recognized that it had to evolve to survive. They daringly ditched their PC making business and remained alive today. If you were a fan of the iBM Thinkpad laptop that time, you would be saying the same doom and gloom.

Nobody will care about the "old" Apple if it's dead.

Reads like you agree with me to be honest....or read way too much into my post than I said
 
Is it the right business decision? Probably. Is it the right Apple decision? No. The Apple you know is over. They cannot keep thriving and producing double digit growth from where they stand if they try to grow an even larger base of people who pay $1700 for a display. That would be like Ferrari hoping to be Ford.

The current Apple leaders want the company to be Ford. Their focus is gone. They're in a game of me-too technocracy. So there you are.

Ford at Ferrari prices... that's where Apple has lost it.
 
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