Prove it.
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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Well, The problem here is that Apple seems to have, intentionally or not, created these specific operating conditions by pushing the limits of physics a little too hard
This is a chain of events with the throttling issue covering up an underlying problem
We need to get to the source of this chain which at this point seems to be battery related and seems to affect each and every iPhone of different generations and all of this way before the expected battery wear and tear
This is big
It is huge.
They can't turn this throttling off!
Turning it off will instantly expose the sub standard battery designs to the full might of the CPU, causing shutdowns. It will also remove general power drain protection from the iphones with older batteries.
IOS users will soon learn very quickly why Android phones have much bigger batteries.
This is probably another reason for the nonlinear reporting of battery %age where the phone reports a full charge for an extended period of use.
If this is turned off, iphone battery performance is going to degrade very very quickly.
Interesting. My 6 Plus is still going strong. Camera works great, never heard of a recall. Doesn't run slow, ever. Only had it spontaneously reboot about two or three times in the years I have owned it. Microphone seems ok, have even recorded some live music with it, and was VERY impressed (albeit the fact that it is a little too heavy-handed on the Automatic Level Control, wish that was switchable or Low/Med/High-able...)
But to your iPads: Do they all exhibit the same issue (the ones that have issues, that is)? Are they all running the same App and OS version? Are they all the same model iPad? Is this an indoor (Industrial Controller? Kiosk?) application, or an outdoor (Industrial Controller?), or what? Also, since they are obviously running on their AC-Adapters 24/7/365, what does that power look like? If it is in an industrial or commercial application, there could be some RIDICULOUSLY-"dirty" power, that might be glitching the iPads (partial resets, crashes). Keep in mind that the AC Adapters that Apple supplies are meant to be used in a home/small-office environment, and have little-to-no input filtering of the AC line (other than the fact that it is chopped-up into little pieces and turned into DC). I could EASILY see it being a "dirty power" situation. One thing to try if you can: In one of your installations that has the most problems, either buy a REAL Line-Conditioner (not some consumer POS), or try pretty much any Uninterruptable Power Supply (UPS), especially one that runs the equipment off a Stepped-Sine-Wave Inverter output ALL THE TIME, rather than one that switches back and forth between the incoming AC line and the Inverter output. I'm not necessarily suggesting this as a long-term solution; just a way to rule-out crappy power. Or, you can simply take one of the ones that is giving you fits, and see how it does for a whole day, running on its internal battery. THAT will isolate the "dirty power" thing, too.
Also, if you have the iPad driving/sensing stuff through the Dock/Lightning connector, there COULD be noise/reflected-energy/ground-bounce (VERY insidious!) causing havoc inside the iPad. It really wasn't designed to be hooked-to a bunch of stuff in an industrial environment. Of course, having said that, Apple uses lots of iPads as industrial-controllers in various labs of theirs; but who knows what precautions have been taken to avoid bad stuff from happening to them.
And ESD. Never forget ESD!!! Electro-Static-Discharge! Again, depending on the Application and Environment (Carpeting in a Kiosk-Application?), people could be walking up to touch the iPad, and be charged-up with enough Static Electricity to make Nikola Tesla nervous, LOL! Don't REALLY know what to tell you if that's the case; but it is something to think about. You can disrupt the operation of almost ANY electronic device with enough ESD, and something that doesn't have a nice, fat "Ground" (like an iPad wouldn't), is at a severe disadvantage, when it comes to trying to "sink" that kind of energy away safely...
Oh, and another possibility: Depending on the Application, fairly strong RF pollution (like in an Airport or Hospital, or around some Industrial equipement, like arc-welders and such) could actually interfere with the signals running-around inside the iPad itself, causing it to crash/reset/shutdown, etc.
But to answer your original question: I am pretty sure Apple's rearranging of low-level CPU/GPU timing wouldn't directly affect Bluetooth operation. That's kind of its own subsystem, off on an SPI or I2C bus, most likely.
Who am I? Just an Embedded Developer (hardware/software) here, with decades of experience in industrial-control product design/development.
Hope this helps...
Thanks for the info. Yes these iPads are typically running in hospitals and even during operations.
It sure manifests as BT interference...
Wrong!
Android phones have much bigger batteries because their Snapdragon SoC's are POWER HOGS!!! That's why a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, with a battery that is TWICE the mAh-rating as the one in an iPhone X, only gets about TEN MINUTES more run-time!
The reporting of 100% for an extended period of time is similar to many cars, that when you "Top off" the fuel-tank, the gauge reads "Full" for a seemingly long time, THEN starts dropping. The fact is, while Apple tries to limit the REAL charge on the battery to around the industry-recommended 83% (which is reported as 100%, just like with everyone else), the fact is, if you leave your iPhone on "Charge" for a long period of time, is "trickle-charges" up from that ideal, slightly. But since Apple has "clamped" the battery indicator at 100% (just like everyone else), that just translates into being "stuck at full-charge". IOW, its just a software design-decision, to avoid "scaring" users with >100% battery indicators, or, worse yet, battery indicators that only go up to 80-something percent.
And as I said, EVERYONE does this, or they REALLY reduce battery longevity with LiOn cells, period.
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Hospitals have some ***REALLY*** SH***TY POWER!!!! AND they have RF A-Plenty running around EVERYWHERE!!! They are an EXTREMELY "Hostile" Environment!!!
Is this directly interfaced (hard-wire through the Dock/Lightning conn.) to any equipment other than the AC Adapter?
And perhaps the BT radio isn't so immune to weird RF, spits out a BUNCH of ill-formed packets and signals that iOS just isn't designed to "Reject" properly, and besides, EVERYTHING uses the same frickin' 2.4 GHz band that BT uses!!!! BT is pretty primitive, as far as a comm. protocol goes. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the BT chip in the iPad, and or the software driver for same in iOS, is not designed to be THAT robust.
Since you are an iOS Developer, perhaps you can raise this as a Support Issue? Afterall, that is EXACTLY how "general stability improvements" get into the next iOS release... ;-)
Learn to spel.
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There ARE no "implications" and no "Revelation".
To paraphrase Sigmund Freud: Sometimes a workaround is just a workaround!
Jeezus, give it a REST!!!
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Oh, please.
no they didn't do it right all they can do is send a reminder or something that the battery wear level is critical and needs to be changed rather than slow down the iphone to be entirely useless and laggy ... that's a bad user experience I believe if they can tell when to slow down your iphone with software then they should be able to send a reminder too . don't just slowdown people phone without letting them know what's happeningThis simply means Apple feels a greater need to protect your device from unexpected shutdown. Aren't you grateful that Apple took good care of your user experience this way?
A bald "Statement" is NOT "Proof". "Proof" is Proof.
I can get 10 of my friends to "State" that the sky is Red. Does that "Prove" it?
Installing an app adds a feature, doesn't mean the phone has to run slower. What you get is a deliberate lack of optimisation.
Installing a throttle on a one year old phone is a agressive take on forced obsolescence. There is NO WAY the battery of a 1 year old iphone 7 is used up.
Adding features doesn't slow down a phone, unless it's multitasking and you use it. Say there's now a feature to send money through iMessage, or use NFC with other devices like Metro cards... when you change clothes you don't just put the clean clothes over the dirty ones, you shake the whole look up.
Changing the way things are done means optimizing and reconfiguring your existing resources.
There is no reason for the camera to suddenly spike the power consumption so that it shuts down your one year old phone. That's Apple doing ****.
If you believe your friends would do that.
Believe what you want, the posts are out there.
I will just add this, if you come to MR for info, then read the info.
If you aren't going to believe what you read, why are you even here, much less posting about it?
Well, people still buy Samsung after Samsung had its flagship explode in the hands of early adapters.
Actually that's a good point. And it was being posted at the time, that the Note 7 debacle will make Samsung a better and stronger company. The same can be said for apple except this isn't a debacle yet.
Very difficult to prove BT issues -- apple of course has BT locked down such that I cannot program the chip or interrogate the settings. Certainly in our case we would prefer to max the BTLE RF output to the detriment of iPad battery life.
Yes hospitals are horrific for RF -- many hospital IT departments wont even allow BT devices.
It doesn't need to be. If their intentions were noble they will quietly change the batteries to higher quality ones on their newer models next year like with Bendgate
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You've been asking people for proof to support their pov. Yet, you came in here and just blather stats that are easy to overthrow.
Note 8 battery: 3300 mAh
iPhone x battery: 2716 mAh
If Note 8 has twice the battery of iPhone X, that would mean Note 8 has a 5,432 mAh battery, which is nowhere near the truth.
So the real question is... why are you even here? If you are just talking ****, take it elsewhere.
This is a developing trend of all apple defenders...
"No no no, I cannot see any revelation between slowing down a device and reporting of record-setting profit quarter by apple. And to make sure nobody connects the wrong dots, I am going to repeat what apple has been saying in its official response and throw in some preposterous stats to support my argument. Because surely, nobody can be bothered to check the facts, right?"
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Seems like their intention was noble. As far as what YOU specifically want apple to do, maybe or maybe not. But whatever they do won't change that their intentions were noble.
If that’s what you use your phone for. Get a flip phone. Much cheaper and days of battery life