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I think Apple will need to disclose and display the minimum battery power needed to run the phone fast and flawless in the manner that they market it.

If the battery falls below that capability during the Apple Care warranty, then you get a new free battery.

And, after Apple Care, you have to pay for a battery, but at least you can see on your phone if you need one or not for the "peak" as-new capabilities.
Didn't they provide battery health in previous OS versions but do not now? More fodder for conspiracy
 
Um no, that’s not what is happening here.

The throttling was introduced to prevent random shutdowns in phones whose batteries have degraded through normal wear and tear. There was nothing to recall because there was nothing faulty with the phones in the first place. Apple has even gone so far as to assert that they will continue to do this for subsequent iPhones via future software updates.

I don’t see this lawsuit gaining traction, much less Apple actually losing it because it can be argued that Apple is technically doing the right thing here from an engineering perspective. That you believe a better solution exists has no bearing on the merits of what Apple has done here.

Nor do I think it will send people running to Android.

That said, this may well have long term repercussions for Apple’s reputation and the willingness of its users to update their software in the future. In the short run, Apple will likely have to do a lot of firefighting. They could start by providing a clear and extensive explanation on what is going on. My belief is this will stop a good portion of the bleeding once people see that Apple is being rationale and is genuinely looking out for the user. Apple can then assess whether additional information about the battery and throttling can be included in iPhone settings, and where.
Yeah, I agree mostly, but I feel like there's something wrong with their throttling method. My iPhone 6 is horribly, horribly slow now, but the battery isn't that bad. I can't imagine it would be this slow if they were doing it properly. Other problem is I have no idea whether it's doing it properly since it's all behind the scenes, as it should be.

The engineering behind it is none of my business. All that matters at the end of the day is whether I can type without the key animations getting stuck. My old iPhone 5 never had any of these problems, even after iOS updates.
 
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Apple can be doing the right thing here (by their own metrics) and people can still be legitimately upset. They are not mutually exclusive, you know.

Alright, fair enough. Just so that I am clear, they force you to update, downloads file silently without your consent, cannot restore to current version--automatic update to newest version and then decides to slow down and degrade your iPhone. Clearly, they are doing everything right here.
 
Users: “why you slow our phones down?!”

Apple: “your battery can’t hold the charge necessary for some tasks. We want you to use your phone for longer.”

Users: “can you believe Apple just wants us to buy more phones?! Let’s sue!!”

More like Apple don't want to replace my battery while I'm still on warranty. You can defend Apple as much as you want but this is obviously wrong in every level. A dying battery is on its end of life and need to replaced and you don't know that underlying problem if Apple is secretly doing that to your device. You don't go to Apple store asking them to check your battery knowing it's still last all day. Besides they already have records refusing to fix someone's phone despite of them willing to pay. Also when people bring their phone for a fix Apple will just say the battery is fine.
 
Users are just ignorant. Apple are doing the right thing. Otherwise we would have continue shutdown on older iPhones.
A recent real life benchmark showed most model running better with lastest iOS. Apple is doing the right thing
no, should be an option - and should not force an OS upgrade.
 
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Dear heavens man, my 6 plus crawled after an IOS update. Why did it happen at that time? This wasn't a slow battery wear issue, this was overnight. If I get two days battery throttled, maybe I want one day at full power. I wasn't given the option. Nor was I informed of any "help" Apple was providing to save me from something I had no issue with.

But it worked. I bought an iPhone 8 plus shortly after release because the 6 Plus ALL OF A SUDDEN slowed to a crawl at the same time. I'm a big supporter of Apple, but this stinks to high heaven.
And this post is all people need to read. You hit all the main points. The MAIN PROBLEM here is the sudden loss of performance and/or a slow down WITHOUT any previous mentioning from Uncle Apple letting us know they were simply looking out for us. This is the crux of the matter here. They were obviously not proud about prolonging our battery life with this software, or they would’ve mentioned it. Fact is, they were called out on it and then came to the table with information about software AFTER the fact. And their bull **** battery tests should be re-worked. The iPhone should run at max performance for at least 3 years considering the price tag.

I’ll never hold Apple with the same regard. I do believe the ones in charge of making those decisions need to go.
 
Yeah, I agree mostly, but I feel like there's something wrong with their throttling method. My iPhone 6 is horribly, horribly slow now, but the battery isn't that bad. I can't imagine it would be this slow if they were doing it properly. Other problem is I have no idea whether it's doing it properly since it's all behind the scenes.

It’s possible that Apple is being overzealous here with their throttling, and they are still playing around with the numbers to find the best compromise between battery life and performance. The extent of this could well change with future updates based on user feedback.
 
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... and if your phone shut down periodically you would be complaning about that. What Apple is doing is smart. Where they failed is being transparaent.

Well... None of my Android phone nor my laptop shutdown periodically. Apple made the battery can't last more than 2 year of usages and trying to use software update hide the defect. Apple deserve to be sued.

Apple should stop be big brother and design a 1000 dollar plus phone usable after two years. Not this stupid stuff
 
That is true. However, in the link provided, Apple defines x,y, and z and users agree by installing.

If a customer is not going to take the time to read what he or she is agreeing to before buying a product or updating a product via the manufacturer, I believe he or she should look in the mirror first, and put blame where blame rightly belongs, instead of always looking to blame someone else.

Apple not acting in a manner equitable to expectations of MR regulars does not necessarily constitute fraud on Apple's part.
did you see anything about throttling in your x, y or z?
 
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Then you may as well include every PC manufacturer and android smartphone oem in the lawsuit while you are at it.

If you have proof that they intentionally degrade performance after they sell the device then yes I agree with you.

Do you have proof that they do this?

I believe that Samsung was intentionally overclocking their CPU's when it detected someone was running benchmarking software. It was dishonest for them to do it and when they were discovered they stopped it.
 
Um no, that’s not what is happening here.

The throttling was introduced to prevent random shutdowns in phones whose batteries have degraded through normal wear and tear. There was nothing to recall because there was nothing faulty with the phones in the first place. Apple has even gone so far as to assert that they will continue to do this for subsequent iPhones via future software updates.

I don’t see this lawsuit gaining traction, much less Apple actually losing it because it can be argued that Apple is technically doing the right thing here from an engineering perspective. That you believe a better solution exists has no bearing on the merits of what Apple has done here.

Nor do I think it will send people running to Android.

That said, this may well have long term repercussions for Apple’s reputation and the willingness of its users to update their software in the future. In the short run, Apple will likely have to do a lot of firefighting. They could start by providing a clear and extensive explanation on what is going on. My belief is this will stop a good portion of the bleeding once people see that Apple is being rationale and is genuinely looking out for the user. Apple can then assess whether additional information about the battery and throttling can be included in iPhone settings, and where.
So, after producing the phones for ten year Apple learned that batteries degrade and this requires throttling. Interesting. Other companies put special chips and capacitors to deal with power consumption spikes but genious Apple engineers came up with better solution - just throttle the processor all the time!
 
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Defrauding? Batteries degrade over time, and old items of all types show wear and tear in many ways. Next shall we sue Nike because the soles of my shoes wore down with usage and time?
Shouldn't they at least let you know the battery has degraded? I think you can tell with your Nike's. C'mon now.
 
Alright, fair enough. Just so that I am clear, they force you to update, downloads file silently without your consent, cannot restore to current version--automatic update to newest version and then decides to slow down and degrade your iPhone. Clearly, they are doing everything right here.

It’s about seeing what you want to see. If a person is conditioned to always assume the worst of Apple, then every move they make will never be acceptable and there will always be fault to be found with it, regardless of their actual intentions.

Apple says “we do this to extend the life of your phone”, and every other news outlet prints “Apple enforces forced obsolescence to make you upgrade your devices sooner”, which is practically the opposite of what Apple just said.

And which do you think is the more clickbaity and sensationalist headline that will garner more views and clicks?
 
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Also, if you don't want your iPhone to slow down, pay the $70 for a new battery install.... its like saying... "I drove my car 100K miles and now my transmission just stopped working. PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!! They just want me to buy a new car. Instead, my car should last forever."

You can't just go to Apple Store and get a new battery. Their test should show that your iPhone needs has a bad or degraded battery. Then only you can get a new battery.
 
If your Toyota would shut down completely if you went over 3,000 RPM due to a faulty part then yea I’d hope they would do something to stop it.
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That 'something' should be a recall naturally, rather than a software change to the ECM that limits the RPM to 3,000 without the driver's knowledge. :)
 
So... you aren’t interested in software updates that add new features? How about security updates that make iPhones a leader by a huge margin in security, not interested in that either? Your statement is insane. When you buy from Apple you aren’t just buying the hardware. You are paying a premium for their software above anything else.

No. I am not interest with the software will slow down my phone.

People are paying premium for their crappy battery and overpriced hardware. iOS is no where to be premium and it every update slows the phone.

So I am not interested with software updates that makes my phone unusable.
 
My issue is my 6 Plus slowed way down. I still had two days battery usage as I don't use it to the same level as many folks do. No complaints at all. Until an update that crippled it. Then even with my less then demanding usage, it became intolerable to use. I had no idea why. So in a sense, Apple is saying a $100 battery replacement was all I needed rather then going out and blowing a thousand bucks on an 8 Plus? They wouldn't tell me this?? My 6 Plus went to Gazelle, so now I can't even get a battery and keep going. This "helpful", secret "benefit" cost me a lot of money I didn't need to spend.

Spin it any way you want. I know how I feel about it, and it's not good.
 
No, they're laggy out of the box. I was thinking of switching to Android, but a trip to the AT&T store changed that.

You weren't trying out a Pixel if you went to the AT&T store. You were probably using a Samsung, which is far from stock Android. Android isn't laggy out of the box. My old phone, a OnePlus 5, is the smoothest phone I've ever used. iPhone's included
 
My old 5S on iOS 8 (with a bad battery) did have random shutdowns at 20%, and was solved with a new battery while still on iOS 8. So my personal experience does align to what they're saying. However, my 6 Plus's battery is only 1 year old.

Having the software force that "feature" on phones that doesn't require the slow down is poop. It literally went from a phone that could last another two years, to instant freezing overnight, like a lot of 6 Plus users have said.
 
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A second lawsuit has been filed. This is going to get ugly. Apple needs to do some damage control fast.
 
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