including when plugged in?!
[doublepost=1514097226][/doublepost]why does my phone not speed up when plugged in?
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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So throttle everybody's phone when brand new, so that a some smaller percentage of users with below average batteries won't notice problems one or two years later. Sounds like a way to scr*w even more customers.
Throttle everybody! Now! So they won't notice later!
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Because it safely runs only off the battery. Otherwise it would crash when you unplug the charger.
Plus, the reason it runs slow may have little to do with the volt-amps capability of the power supply.
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Sounds like a fake paid expert witness.
Common sense thing to do to compensate for the 20% or so degradation that occurs over the useful lifetime of the battery is to make it larger to begin with. If a $50 Huawei Ascend XT2 can have a 4000mAh battery while being only about 1mm thicker then adding 20% more to the iPhone's 2750mAh battery will add maybe .5mm thickness which is less than the thickness of a credit card.
What's better for the user experience, .5mm thinner phone with throttling or .5mm thicker phone without throttling? Anyone with common sense would choose the latter.
I would love to see how this information can be distorted to show they didn’t drop the processor speed by 60-65%. It’s OBVIOUS in apps and i’ve said this so many times. SAME EXACT app was running smoother in the 5s compared to my 6s. How can PhD scientists cover that up? Would be fun to watch at the very least
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This is actually how every electronic item works. It’s always a balance between performance and longevity. Think of any electronic item that you have with you. It can be made more powerful and last 1/2 as long but it’s a conscious design decision to make sure it’s longevity meets customers needs/demands while maintaining no loss in usability.
This is actually how every electronic item works. It’s always a balance between performance and longevity. Think of any electronic item that you have with you. It can be made more powerful and last 1/2 as long but it’s a conscious design decision to make sure it’s longevity meets customers needs/demands while maintaining no loss in usability.
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I would be happy just with the opportunity to easily, and affordably, replace the battery every two years so performance did not degrade. I went in to,an Apple store with my two year old 6s+ (No warranty) fully ready to pay the $79 thinking that this is just a cost of ownership. In the time it would have taken them to replace the battery and charge me the $79 they tested it and informed me that while the battery had degraded it had not degraded “enough” to warrant changing it. Now, to be fair, there was no charge for the battery test but I left the store with the same problem I went in with. Don’t you love it when the manufacturer thinks they know your needs better than you do?
I get it. They grudgingly will take your $79 when their software updates make a two year old phone obsolete but they really want that $800+ every two years. We know battery tech is hard. Apple’s competition tried to push this envelope and started fires. But Apple needs to accept the reality that if they are going to keep adding battery-intensive functionality year after year that they need to add BIGGER BATTERIES.
Imagine if they came out with an “iPhone Pro” with TWO of the same size batteries?! How insanely great would that be?! It would not be wafer thin fashionable but it would be useful.
Watch the apologists come in and completely ignore your experience and so many others that have said that Apple refused to change the battery when the throttling was occurring. This is part of my beef! The break point for throttling should be defined(at least consistently within Apple, if they don’t want to share that information) so that the “genius” bar doesn’t say one thing and the OS does something different.
^^ What? Lol. Apple themselves said this is intentional and they plan on expanding it to all future phones. Do you know anything about any of this at all?
The lawsuit is about the practice, not the implementation, not sure the judge could care about scholars explaining the intricacies. Did Apple downgrade performance without informing the user....don't need scholars and scientists for that.
Judge also needs to tread carefully, law is not my background, but this sets an interesting precedent for electronics powered by batteries.
I completely disagree. Apple is clearly putting batteries in their phones without enough margin. They could so very easily make the phone thicker and use larger capacity batteries that although degraded, would still maintain enough output to easily allow the phone to run at full speed after 2 years.
There is zero excuse for this. They wanted to improve profit margins by using batteries that are too small.
What's interesting , my 6S that was eventually recalled for battery change , passed apple's tests, wasting my time taking it in, was not till Apple finally acknowledged the serial numbers affected that they replaced the battery. Sadly the practice is to say it's all fine, ask you to restore, and wait for you to get fed up and buy a new device that is fast and issue free.
My advice is to ignore the tests and demand the battery be replaced.
I don’t know whether it’s my post you meant to quote? I am in full agreement with you! You’re just saying it a different way. 2 options - slow down the phone to provide a consistent speed through the expected life of the device if, due to the design, battery choice is already made, or put in a bigger battery.
I’ve not been supporting their actions one bit. My response is to the other post and how design trade offs are made.
Easy, they’ll hook up a logic analyzer or hardware data source, show that the geekbench number is made-up or otherwise inaccurate, and thus needs to be thrown out as evidence. Data beats hearsay.
Agreed. I would love to see that happen though. Maybe my engineering isn’t up to snuff but could you explain why my 6s would be running the same app slower than the 5s, everything else being equal? Complete restart, plenty of space left on both phones, both phones at 100% etc. I lived with this phenomenon for quite a while and my wife didn’t agree with me and thought I was delusional(whether I am is another topic all together) until I showed her this with many different apps over many weeks.
Edit - it’s also very easy to replicate. Bring in a 6s and a 5s and run the same app in front of the judge, show the difference in speed and change out the 6s battery and watch it speed up tremendously.
Prove it.
I can also say many posters here for years have and probably are paid by the competition. Can't prove it either.
Having been distantly involved in technology lawsuits. 90%+ of the time and money (billable hours) is involved with scholars explaining intricacies. The general opening and closing arguments, where the obvious stuff might be stated, is but a microscopic fraction of a case’s activity.
Hmm. It took me all of one minute to read the original post. I'm referring to the slowing down of the devices.
It’s sad but you may be right about what may happen. I really want Apple to lose this, simply for the fact that they treat everyone like idiots and assume the general consumer has the IQ of a rock.
Sure, if the issue comes down to % impact.
Question though, if apple heads down this path, would they also not be forced to have to make the code available ? And would they want the details of how much throttling and under what conditions is happens, this could actually get more embarrassing for Apple. I'm not sure Apple wants to head down this path
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That attitude was acceptable while the focus was on building devices for consumers . Though that recently the focus has been profit, profit and profit, it's turning from for the consumer to milk the consumer for everything .
Yes correct. This is the quote from Apple
Apple said: "Last year, we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions."
"We've now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future.
"Our goal is to deliver the best experience for customers."
I wish I could hand people like you my phone and you could tell me how the “user experience” was. They are also lying. I’d try to dial a number from the redial list and would frequently dial the wrong number cause it was not scrolling and understanding the touch point. Why would that specific action be resource intensive enough to throttle? It’s not only apps! It was everyday stuff.
And the common sense thing to do for a customer who likes that trade-off is to buy the Huawei’s product, not Apple’s “more stylish” thinner product.
And maybe another vendor can make a mobile with a battery 7X bigger/heavier, so it lasts a whole week, and try to beat both Huawei and Apple in sales. Some customers might like that choice!
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As every organization gets bigger, you find major flaws such as this appearing. Left hand doesn’t talk to the right hand.
I cannot seriously imagine this was clearly communicated to all facets of the engineering organization(or if it was, they ignored it), but if this was known(and it should have been), this would have been in the original OS’s as soon as the phones were released. The fact that this was put in later leads me to suspect they screwed up and are using this as a “band-aid” to cover their behinds.
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Hahaha. Funny. People who don’t believe that this is an issue.
The FBI tried to force that in a major mass murder case and (AFAWK) failed. You think a consumer product defect case would get further?
I guess you did not consent to have your car battery degrade over time too?
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Talked to Apple, they said mine is at 90.86 in my Iphone6 with 128 gb with 536 charge cycles, but my phone is still slow to respond sometimes since IOS 11 update.