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As I have written here before, Norway's authorities have come up with a statement:

"All products are getting worse over time, as usual usage corroses the components. When the manufacturer actively enters the operating system and makes changes in performance, this is something we think the consumer should get information about before it happens"

The consumer should also be able to opt out of the update which results in a poorer performance.
Some consumers may also be entitled to a new battery that ensures that the performance is as you have paid for"

In Norway, a mobile battery is required to work for at least two years.
This means that if Apple reduces the processor speed in the iPhone in this period due to the battery condition, you may require a new battery for free, regardless of whether Apple's own tests say that the battery is better than 80% and OK.

Apple is not above the law i Norway, even if they like to believe it, so if Apple uses this software in 6, 6S, 7, 8 and X, it will cost Apple a lot og money in the coming years
 
We should be referring to this disaster as the Tim Cook iPhone Battery Scandal, or TCiBS.

The TCiBS will be forever remembered as one of the greatest examples of corporate mismanagement and fraud. We are witnessing history, folks.
Lol...no we aren’t. This is merely a blip. Remember antennagate? These consumer driven suits always fizzle out. Resistance is futile.

You underestimate Apple’s power to settle this and overestimate the impact. This isn’t even a one sided argument with clear right and wrong. Apple might even argue their position successfully and pay nothing.
 
No it isn’t.

It kind of is. Phone designers get told by Program/product mangers how long a product should preform. Apple now thinks that a year at full speed is about enough time
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I really do think when the dust settles they'll give us more useful battery metrics in iOS and revamp battery troubleshooting procedures in the stores so phones brought in for diagnostics won't leave in the same condition they walked in with.

P.S. Phycologists would have a field day with this thread studying it from a "mob mentality" perspective. A lot of witches were burned without a trial.

A lot of Stockholm syndrome going on with Apple customers.
 
It kind of is. Phone designers get told by Program/product mangers how long a product should preform. Apple now thinks that a year at full speed is about enough time
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A lot of Stockholm syndrome going on with Apple customers.

Planned Obsolescence would be doing nothing and letting the phone start turning itself off. This is actually prolonging the life of the phone.

Edit: Also, a lot of people here haven’t been hit with slowing down with phones older than a year.
 
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No problem, i will survive.
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Yes, heat causes it to drop in efficiency at lower levels.
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He has no clue what is happening. It's feels like throwing rocks at the wall. Doesn't matter how many times people correct the ACTUALLY twisted media version, but broken phone has already been started. Not to mention that i have tested this myself and haven't found anything wrong. Means these software measures are only used when it is really needed and not to slow phones to make people buy new ones. If that was really the case Apple would be buried in real lawsuits not this nonsense.
As well as an overheating CPU/GPU that may cause a slowdown regardless of battery state.
 
Planned Obsolescence would be doing nothing and letting the phone start turning itself off. This is actually prolonging the life of the phone.

Edit: Also, a lot of people here haven’t been hit with slowing down with phones older than a year.

Yes we should all thank apple because they designed a phone that after a year would shut down, unless the apple gods magically sent down a fix to slow it down.
 
Planned Obsolescence would be doing nothing and letting the phone start turning itself off. This is actually prolonging the life of the phone.

Edit: Also, a lot of people here haven’t been hit with slowing down with phones older than a year.

Actually more like prolonging the life of the battery while making the phone feel more and more outdated as it slows down.. A phone turning off randomly would most likely result into a visit to Apple store and diagnosis that you need a new battery. A phone getting slower would probably lead most to believe that it is just getting old and can't support the newer software, and buy newer model.
 
In Norway, a mobile battery is required to work for at least two years.

Really? If every Li-ion battery wears 0.5% in the first few days of use, and your new flashlight is a fraction of a percent less bright, do you get a new flashlight? If not after a few day, maybe after a few weeks when it holds 2% or a couple minutes less charge? When does this law about a battery “working” kick in?
 
"All products are getting worse over time, as usual usage corroses the components. When the manufacturer actively enters the operating system and makes changes in performance, this is something we think the consumer should get information about before it happens"

They do if the law requires people in Norway to read the contracts to which they agree. The information is in the T&Cs and Update Release Notes notes.

See https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893?locale=en_US
 
After only one year a phone that either shuts off or is slowed down are not acceptable options.
Try again Apple!
 
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Really? If every Li-ion battery wears 0.5% in the first few days of use, and your new flashlight is a fraction of a percent less bright, do you get a new flashlight? If not after a few day, maybe after a few weeks when it holds 2% or a couple minutes less charge? When does this law about a battery “working” kick in?


Judgment in Norway:

The phone went from fully charged to discharged after 10 minutes

Rassumsen (customer) vs Apple
The committee points out that Apple could only endure such a short lifespan (less than two years) if they had "express reservations" about this, which they think Apple not have done. The committee therefore believes that Apple not can refuse complaints on under two-year-old iPhone's just because they are discharged over 500 times.
That the battery will only last 500 charging cycles when it is not explained what a charging cycle is, and the buyer is not informed that the product has such a limitation, that a central component may fail after a short period of time. "

"The mobile is therefore inadequate" concludes the committee, which requires Apple to deliver a new iPhone to Rasmussen, for free.



Tesla was also sued in Norway by buyers of Tesla Model S P90D. The cars were announced with 700 horsepower, but it was far from what was measured in practice.
Tesla had to pay $ 8000 to each of the owners as compensation
 
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Apple is doing this in order to prevent "sudden shut off", but when my battery load is at 90%, it cannot suddenly shut off, so why slowing down the device before it reaches let say 20% ??
Cause to give you that amazing battery life even on a older phone.....performance slow down ? No, that's a new feature intro by Apple.
 
Did I even say that? Also, let’s not pretend this is Apple alone.

https://android.googlesource.com/ke...mentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/msm/bcl.txt
Did I even say that? Also, let’s not pretend this is Apple alone.

https://android.googlesource.com/ke...mentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/msm/bcl.txt

But at least you can see and probably edit the code because it's open source. Whereas apple tried to hide it and, when exposed, had the courage to call it a "feature".
 
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This throttlegate could be blown out of proportion in these forums like previous issues. It still doesn't make Apple right. Apologists can look at as no big deal all they want. It's a forced upon "problem" to speed up the obsolescence by using the finite life of the battery cycles and then slowing them down.

The iPhone X will probably win some awards for best smartphone of the year but it's like Lance Armstrong's legacy. Tarnished. The X is like The Last Jedi where I waited two years only to come up disappointed. Pixel 2 XL or Note8 should be candidates for best smartphone of the year.

Valued a trillion. Do they even deserve being worth that much? Overpriced good products but no more integrity.
 
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But at least you can see and probably edit the code because it's open source. Whereas apple tried to hide it and, when exposed, had the courage to call it a "feature".

Are you honestly expecting normal people to find that and edit the code in a way where it doesn’t break something?
 
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Yeah, that excuse can work on the 6S and below. But for those 7 users who bought their iphones just a few months ago, then get throttled down right around the same time the new phones come out, that excuse don't work. Unless lithium ions just magically lose holding power around the last quarter of the year...
iPhone 7 user here since it launched on latest iOS 11 update no issues. Just because you might have an issue doesn't mean everyone has and issue
 
Wrong. Sorry, but you need to study battery engineering bit more.

When Li-ion batteries age, not only is energy capacity reduced, but internal resistance (as in milliOhms) increases. Subtract the V = IR losses due to battery impedance, and you will learn that higher loads at higher resistance decreases available voltage output. Thus load IS part of the equation.

Apple’s power management appears to tune processor power to match available battery voltage (or VA, Volt-Amps). That voltage (and total VA) decreases as the battery normally ages thru use.

Except the guy using "LOAD" was misusing the term and referring to charge level so no, it's not part of the equation. A degraded battery will cause CPU throttling at any charge level , 100% to 0%.
 
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