Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]

[rGiskard]

Simple. dont upgrade the software.

Of course Apple could implement a "Turn of battery management" switch, then all the complainers can complain their iphones shut down instead.

iOS 11 transformed my 6 Plus into a stuttering mess of molasses. I've never had any stability issues whatsoever with it.

It's a transparent attempt to motivate me into buying a new phone. Careful what you wish for, Apple, because my next phone may not be an iPhone.

 

[Michael Goff]

I7Guy and Michael Geoff take the same stance.

Unless Apple admits wrongdoing, it's just conspiracy. And when Apple actually admitted doing something, they both came to Apple's defense and took every word Apple provided them.

Hey, you know, we can read Apple's official response. We don't need either of you repeating what Apple has been saying to defend itself.

The 4.7 and 5.5 iPhone are some of the largest phone in the market, yet, they can't fit a half-decent size battery in them. Oh...to think they took away headphone jack to make room for something....

It’s always funny when people can’t be bothered to spell my name right. And it’s also funny to use your own biases to pretend you can know intent. I’ll also come to the defense of Samsung and Google whenever people throw out conjecture as fact.
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iOS 11 transformed my 6 Plus into a stuttering mess of molasses. I've never had any stability issues whatsoever with it.

It's a transparent attempt to motivate me into buying a new phone. Careful what you wish for, Apple, because my next phone may not be an iPhone.

Nah, iOS 11 is just crap. I don’t think it’s an attempt to do much. Doesn’t even run great in an X.

 

[2010mini]

Apple is presenting a self serving defense. They will struggle in court with this.

Nope. The burden is on the plaintiffs to prove Apple did this ONLY when new iPhones come out. I wish them luck in that.
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iOS 11 transformed my 6 Plus into a stuttering mess of molasses. I've never had any stability issues whatsoever with it.

It's a transparent attempt to motivate me into buying a new phone. Careful what you wish for, Apple, because my next phone may not be an iPhone.

Change the battery. Problem solved.
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Except it doesn't extend the life of my device. It made my device run like crap.

My device (6s) with the same software runs as new.

 

[Michael Goff]

Nope. The burden is on the plaintiffs to prove Apple did this ONLY when new iPhones come out. I wish them luck in that.
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Change the battery. Problem solved.
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My device (6s) with the same software runs as new.

If iOS 11 was when the problems started, it has nothing to do with the battery. iOS 11 is just a bad release and Apple should feel bad.

 

[1098474]

yea but you work in retail

In Tech support, so I'm making more money than a retail employee $28 to be exact

 

[skinned66]

And here was I thinking that Apple had over $230 billion cash resources that could hire more staff to do such things.

That's valuation money for shareholders - the only people that matter at Apple. Which of course includes management.

 

[Act3]

In Tech support, so I'm making more money than a retail employee $28 to be exact

As a current Apple employee it is a toxic place to work. I have been there for 3 years at the retail end and I'm looking for another job ASAP

yea, corporate gets treated way better than the retail. It's so sad how they treat us compared to corporate. We take lots of abuse from so many customers at low pay and crappy hours, pay will vary from person to person based on favoritism. Don't believe me ask anyAapple retail employee

I assume tech support in the retail end ?

 

[skinned66]

What do you think will come of them losing? Just wondering.

Humble pie?

I couldn't keep a straight face typing that.

 

[617660]

It’s always funny when people can’t be bothered to spell my name right. And it’s also funny to use your own biases to pretend you can know intent. I’ll also come to the defense of Samsung and Google whenever people throw out conjecture as fact.
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Nah, iOS 11 is just crap. I don’t think it’s an attempt to do much. Doesn’t even run great in an X.

My apologies for misspelling your name.

I probably like Samsung even less than Apple. All my android experience came from Nexus devices. I loved them when Google subsidized them.

I have no affiliation with any of these companies. I know just how rich and powerful these companies are. I also know how much of top executives compensation depends on the performance of the stocks (Public information). When there is a conflict of interest, it's reasonable to call anything into question.

 

[Michael Goff]

Humble pie?

I couldn't keep a straight face typing that.

Some people probably believe that.

My apologies for misspelling your name.

I probably like Samsung even less than Apple. All my android experience came from Nexus devices. I loved them when Google subsidized them.

I have no affiliation with any of these companies. I know just how rich and powerful these companies are. I also know how much of top executives compensation depends on the performance of the stocks (Public information). When there is a conflict of interest, it's reasonable to call anything into question.

A lot of people here, you included, misunderstand what bias is. We all have our biases, as our experiences paint what we expect. For you, it seems as though you have an intense distrust of large companies and are more likely to grab on to something that supports the established ideas. I’m not saying I don’t have my own biases, just that I try to minimize them as much as possible.

Everyone is biased, though. Remember that.

Edit: Also, Geoff is the most common misspelling of my name on here so it isn’t so bad.

 

[lysingur]

...except for the OS updated you downloaded.
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Its more productive because the phone operates for longer. Its faster to drive at 60mph than go to 100mph and then get pulled over.

If you bought a sports car that can go up to 267 mph, then a year after it refuses to go beyond 135 mph, I'd imagine that you'd be a tad bit irate. You'd be wondering why the car manufacturer did not inform its customers, including yours truly, about this little scheme that aims to make the car last a couple years longer. Then any sensible human being would be wondering maybe it really is a flaw in the engine that the manufacturer is trying to hide with this scheme, not to make cars last longer for its customers (because frankly who buys a sports car to drive fast anyway?)

But somehow when it comes to Apple, we all need to Think Different?

 

[itguy06]

iOS 11 transformed my 6 Plus into a stuttering mess of molasses. I've never had any stability issues whatsoever with it.

It's a transparent attempt to motivate me into buying a new phone. Careful what you wish for, Apple, because my next phone may not be an iPhone.

Mine started with iOS 10 on the 6+. Got so bad I went Android in March as I still had a few payments left on the phone (bought in June 2015) but the performance was horrible. Had I known it was a battery I'd probably be rocking an 8+ or an X. Now I have a very good Android phone, am enjoying that ecosystem and am pretty much firmly entrenched in Google.

I won't discuss the migration to Windows that is working well and started with the Touchbar debacle.

Tim needs to go - the parallels to the Pre-Jobs comeback are so striking a blind guy can see it! History is shaping up to repeat itself. Read the biography and see what Apple was like pre 1997 Jobs....

 

[skinned66]

Tim needs to go - the parallels to the Pre-Jobs comeback are so striking a blind guy can see it! History is shaping up to repeat itself. Read the biography and see what Apple was like pre 1997 Jobs....

He's a "toner head" IMO.

 

[OrangeInc]

does stopping that involvement includes security updates? And explain how it is unethical to actively try to EXTEND the life of your device?

Except they aren't extending the life of your device but the life of the battery. The device itself is perfectly fine. The battery here is the issue. If the battery is not even powerful enough to power the phone then they should replace it not throttle other phone components to make up for a bad battery.

 

[Baymowe335]

Difference is that Steve Jobs was a visionary who had far more success under Apple than failures. He also helped to deliver products that were new such as the iPhone and iPad etc where as Tim Cook is just a numbers guy, all about the shareholders and the cash. I believe that Tim Cook is a nice guy and seems to care about certain values such as privacy and equal rights etc but I think that Apple need a visionary now.
A few years ago Apple (it seemed) tried to buy Tesla when they were valued at about $5 billion. The talks ended up now where. next thing we are hearing from someone at Apple (in secrecy) was that they were working on something to give Tesla a run for it's money. The media quickly picked up that Apple wanted to make it's own car. project Titan ended up running into problems and now it seems that Apple are working on self driving tech instead.
According to all the consensus that is. However one big reason for there failure to buy Tesla is that I believe that Elon Musk(boss of Tesla) did not want to stop down and Apple would have insisted he did.
If the buyout took place and Musk stayed on in some senior role, Tim Cook would have been scared for his job. Many people at Apple like Tim Cook, however I think they love Musk because they see some of Steve Jobs in him.
The maverick, the disrupter, the visionary. I think that Tim Cook probably believed that if that were the case then he might end up being replaced as boss of Apple by Elon Musk. Either Musk himself will mount a challenge or Appel employees would force the move.
So I therefore see Tim Cook is not going anywhere anytime soon.

Elon Musk isn’t on the same planet as Jobs or even Cook. Bezos can perhaps be compared with Cook and Jobs...but Musk is a salesman for a company that isn’t profitable and will have a hard time ever being profitable.

Cook is a genius you are selling very short. He’s turned Apple into 3X the company value as under Jobs.

Does anyone really think Tesla is worth more than BMW? Electric car tech isn’t proprietary. Musk thinks he’s god and his biggest weakness is he doesn’t think he has any weaknesses.

 

[MH01]

If iOS 11 was when the problems started, it has nothing to do with the battery. iOS 11 is just a bad release and Apple should feel bad.

That is true. It's actually really crap, Apple needs to do something about iOS, it's turning into the mess vista was on PCs, until they brought out windows 7. It's really becoming bloat software that as you say, even the X does not run well. CPU / GPU performance cannot even make it run smooth.
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Elon Musk isn’t on the same planet as Jobs or even Cook. Bezos can perhaps be compared with Cook and Jobs...but Musk is a salesman for a company that isn’t profitable and will have a hard time ever being profitable.

Cook is a genius you are selling very short. He’s turned Apple into 3X the company value as under Jobs.

Does anyone really think Tesla is worth more than BMW? Electric car tech isn’t proprietary. Musk thinks he’s god and his biggest weakness is he doesn’t think he has any weaknesses.

You can't compare Cook to jobs . Different roles. Musk is in fact more jobs than Cook ever will be.

Here is a foot note, Eddy cue could have led Apple to 2X the company value from where jobs left them....would that make eddy a genius.....??? You do realise that that bumbling ..... Steve ballmer set record profits ...... so great we have a Steve ballmer at Apple, careful how that turns out long term...
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He's a "toner head" IMO.

Spot on. For those who understand that reference .

 

[Michael Goff]

That is true. It's actually really crap, Apple needs to do something about iOS, it's turning into the mess vista was on PCs, until they brought out windows 7. It's really becoming bloat software that as you say, even the X does not run well. CPU / GPU performance cannot even make it run smooth.
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You can't compare Cook to jobs . Different roles. Musk is in fact more jobs than Cook ever will be.

Here is a foot note, Eddy cue could have led Apple to 2X the company value from where jobs left them....would that make eddy a genius.....??? You do realise that that bumbling ..... Steve ballmer set record profits ...... so great we have a Steve ballmer at Apple, careful how that turns out long term...
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Spot on. For those who understand that reference .

I wouldn’t say Tim Cook is like Steve Ballmer. One of the worst things about Ballmer was that he killed projects that threatened Windows. We haven’t, to my knowledge, had that situation at Apple just yet.

A lot of people hate on “bean counters” on principle, but it’s mostly pointless to.

 

[MH01]

I wouldn’t say Tim Cook is like Steve Ballmer. One of the worst things about Ballmer was that he killed projects that threatened Windows. We haven’t, to my knowledge, had that situation at Apple just yet.

A lot of people hate on “bean counters” on principle, but it’s mostly pointless to.

How would we know? Apple is too secretive.

Also for me he is like Ballmer, he has forsaken Macs and all the other lines all in favour of the cash cow, iPhone.

I've never seen Apple products neglected to this level, macs and macOS have gone from industry leading to ..... well we have seen the feedback on the MacBooks and how awful macOS is becoming , I'd say even worse than iOS .

All investment is on iPhone and iOS , and Apple cannot even get that right .... just like windows under ballmer. Greed is also now killling Apple

 

[Michael Goff]

How would we know? Apple is too secretive.

Also for me he is like Ballmer, he has forsaken Macs and all the other lines all in favour of the cash cow, iPhone.

I've never seen Apple products neglected to this level, macs and macOS have gone from industry leading to ..... well we have seen the feedback on the MacBooks and how awful macOS is becoming , I'd say even worse than iOS .

All investment is on iPhone and iOS , and Apple cannot even get that right .... just like windows under ballmer. Greed is also now killling Apple

Apple is investing in the Mac, don’t be ridiculous. The cooling for the iMac Pro didn’t sprout from the ground. Metal 2 didn’t just appear in the code. The Touch Bar wasn’t conjured by demons across from the campus.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

And I was having a sepearate conversation. And it was about a separate issue. Not related to batteries.

Don't try to play the smart ass. You know hitting the processor hard drains the battery; or perhaps you don't, perhaps you are that dumb.

 

[MH01]

Apple is investing in the Mac, don’t be ridiculous. The cooling for the iMac Pro didn’t sprout from the ground. Metal 2 didn’t just appear in the code. The Touch Bar wasn’t conjured by demons across from the campus.

You call that investment? Half arsed updates after a very very long time. You sound like Tim Cook. Next you will tell me how important the Mac Pro is - yeah - don't be ridiculous.

 

[firewood]

The device itself is perfectly fine. The battery here is the issue. If the battery is not even powerful enough to power the phone then they should replace it ...

Actually it's quite possible the opposite is true.

The A11 contains a laptop class processor SOC (faster than some recent MacBook Pros). If everything was turned on and run at max frequency, it's possible that only a laptop battery could handle the load. Thus, the A9, A10, and A11 might all be severely under-clocked in all iPhones, all the time, even when new. So there might be no way to replace the battery in any iPhone with one powerful enough to power all the chips in the iPhone to the max. That battery would be many times too big to fit anything except, perhaps, next years iPad Pro 12" (or an ARM MacBook ???)

 

[H2SO4]

Actually it's quite possible the opposite is true.

The A11 contains a laptop class processor SOC (faster than some recent MacBook Pros). If everything was turned on and run at max frequency, it's possible that only a laptop battery could handle the load. Thus, the A9, A10, and A11 might all be severely under-clocked in all iPhones, all the time, even when new. So there might be no way to replace the battery in any iPhone with one powerful enough to power all the chips in the iPhone to the max. That battery would be many times too big to fit anything except, perhaps, next years iPad Pro 12" (or an ARM MacBook ???)

Question. What makes a processor desktop class please, (Tim Cook getting up on stage and eulogising it that way is not sufficient reason)?
Unless you can come up with something you're making it up. Like Tim.
What I find very telling is that Tims desktop class processor doesn't actually appear in any desktops.

 

[Wendibeth22]

Just FYI - that actually is the hardest solution. Supporting deprecated software means you need to allocate more resources (devs, test, time, etc).

In the end a coupon(likely a couple hundred off a new iPhone purchase) will be sent to former iPhone owners.

[doublepost=1514360695][/doublepost]I have had to upgrade my kids iPhones every 2 years for the past 8 years and I have 3 kids so that’s 12 iPhones plus mine. We thought it was a matter of not enough storage to handle the upgraded iOS systems so we would buy phones with higher gigs to compensate. I bought the 128 gig this time. Come to find out it was just the battery that needed to be replaced!! I could have saved like 7k!! I am sorry but a 2 hundred dollar coupon is not going to suffice here!

 

[iLLUMI]

With Tim Crook at the helm of Bad Apple I guess we're just going to have to get used to the way things are and pay more than we should be.
Unless of course someone out there can do something about this abuse of planned obsolescence.