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S II or Prime? That's my decision now. See you next year Apple, maybe you can get your **** together.



Just adding here, my 64 gig black has shipped via UPS :D

Apple can get their what together?

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It's ok, I see you failed reading comprehension as well as math. The CURRENT US market available for the iphone is 250M. The market during the IP4 launch wass 97M. The current iphone market of 250M is more than double, 2.58 X's, actually, than the market was at the IP4 launch.

Perhaps you have memory issues. You said the market tripled in the US.

It's rather hypocritical of you to ask for numbers to back up my claim, then say you don't need to provide any to back up yours. It's even worse when you question my math when you obviously do not understand what "more than double the market" means.

Not at all, you're the one that needs to prove yourself. Everyone here believes the 4S is a success. Even the OP bought one. (see above)
 
How do you keep ignoring all the faults in your logic? Sprint and Verizon customers were perfectly capable of buying an iPhone 4. They just had to switch carriers. And then there is all the people not on the big 3 carriers that could have bought an iPhone in the US. The size of the market has not doubled. Apple has just lowered the barrier to entry.



Are you unaware that most iPhones sold in the US carry a 2 year contract?
And the 3GS was available to order when the iphone 4 launched as well. And there were 3GS owners under a 2 year contract when the IP4 launched as well.
 
Did you even watch the keynote? I bet you didn't...

Lets see:
-Browsing on par with 4G speeds from a 3G phone.
-Amazing power and great battery life.
-Siri is honestly cool (which is funny because I thought I'd never use it).
-New and improved camera.
-New iOS

How is that not a good improvement? How did Apple blow it? I hope you realize technology doesn't evolve as fast as Macrumors readers think it does.

People expect too much. If you want something amazingly better go invent it.

what exactly does the galaxy mobile offer, that the iphone 4S does not?

i've been wondering alot. of course, i can understand some people prefer one over the other (have a friend who doesnt like iphones but likes android phones) and i can understand the design issue etc(i like it though) but i cannot understand why you would pick an android phone because the iphone 5 doesnt come with a rocketlauncher, mini pocket projector, coffeemaker and built-in car-keys for your mercedes (Which would be handy!)

as you say, technology evolves fast, but not everything is avaliable on the market the day its invented :p
 
It's ok, I see you failed reading comprehension as well as math. The CURRENT US market available for the iphone is 250M. The market during the IP4 launch wass 97M. The current iphone market of 250M is more than double, 2.58 X's, actually, than the market was at the IP4 launch.

It's rather hypocritical of you to ask for numbers to back up my claim, then say you don't need to provide any to back up yours. It's even worse when you question my math when you obviously do not understand what "more than double the market" means.

Again, current AT&T users were not the whole of the US market for the iPhone 4. People on other carriers and people without cell phones were all perfectly capable of purchasing an iPhone 4.
 
Apple can get their what together?

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Perhaps you have memory issues. You said the market tripled in the US.



Not at all, your the one that needs to prove yourself. Everyone here believes the 4S is a success. Even the OP bought one. (see above)
Oh, so now my math is good? And I clarified it afterward, MORE THAN DOUBLED. 2.58 is more than doubled.
 
It's ok, I see you failed reading comprehension as well as math. The CURRENT US market available for the iphone is 250M. The market during the IP4 launch wass 97M. The current iphone market of 250M is more than double, 2.58 X's, actually, than the market was at the IP4 launch.

It's rather hypocritical of you to ask for numbers to back up my claim, then say you don't need to provide any to back up yours. It's even worse when you question my math when you obviously do not understand what "more than double the market" means.

:confused:

The size of the "market" hasn't changed. It just offers another carrier. Some people don't have a carrier to begin with, and no one is required to keep the one they have.

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Again, current AT&T users were not the whole of the US market for the iPhone 4. People on other carriers and people without cell phones were all perfectly capable of purchasing an iPhone 4.

this
 
I don't care to read 14 pages of little spoiled b***** saying how their Jesus phone isn't good enough.

Answer this, did the astronomical benchmarks and hands-on reviews shut them up yet?
 
And the 3GS was available to order when the iphone 4 launched as well. And there were 3GS owners under a 2 year contract when the IP4 launched as well.

There were 20 million 3GS owners under contract at the time of the iPhone 4 launch. There are 75 million iphone 4 owners under contract now. And that does not include those that purchased a 3GS in the last year and a half.
 
I love how all the posters in this thread who were disappointed and talking about how Apple is done because they didn't release a new design, if you read their most recent posts, they say things like, "My iPhone 4S has shipped!"

That is what happens when your brain has been washed.
 
Oh, so now my math is good? And I clarified it afterward, MORE THAN DOUBLED. 2.58 is more than doubled.

So you correct yourself and then expect me to say my original statement of your math being bad was incorrect? Sorry...no. Your original statement was false. Bad math. Yes, you realized the error of your ways, but don't expect me to go back and now call your incorrect statement correct.

Yes, population of users on US carriers carrying the iPhone has more then doubled. This is a true statement you have corrected. However, this is ONLY the US and these users have had access to the iPhone all along. To expect sales to double ignores all the basics of economy.
 
Again, current AT&T users were not the whole of the US market for the iPhone 4. People on other carriers and people without cell phones were all perfectly capable of purchasing an iPhone 4.
Not during launch. You could only preorder an ip4 for GSM networks, there was no CDMA ip4 then.
 
I don't care to read 14 pages of little spoiled b***** saying how their Jesus phone isn't good enough.

Answer this, did the astronomical benchmarks and hands-on reviews shut them up yet?
Yes, see above posts where ex-whiners are now awaiting delivery.
 
So you correct yourself and then expect me to say my original statement of your math being bad was incorrect? Sorry...no. Your original statement was false. Bad math. Yes, you realized the error of your ways, but don't expect me to go back and now call your incorrect statement correct.

Yes, population of users on US carriers carrying the iPhone has more then doubled. This is a true statement you have corrected. However, this is ONLY the US and these users have had access to the iPhone all along. To expect sales to double ignores all the basics of economy.
You're joking, right? I said demand of the ip4s is less than the ip4 at launch and provided numbers that backed my claim.
 
Not during launch. You could only preorder an ip4 for GSM networks, there was no CDMA ip4 then.

:rolleyes: Unbelievable! There was nothing stopping a Verizon customer from ordering an iPhone 4 from AT&T. Other than the same contracts that AT&T customers had to deal with.
 
You're joking, right? I said demand of the ip4s is less than the ip4 at launch and provided numbers that backed my claim.

I've seen numbers, but nothing that backs your claim.

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It's scary that there are still people who will disagree. I can't see why. Today was a joke.

I couldn't seem to find any way to have it set as an in store pickup either. I guess either I'm missing it, or there are still some bugs in the pre-order site. Oh well.

Perhaps he meant that his post was a joke? He should have used a smiley or said "J/K" at the end.

I'm having a harder time finding people that called the 4S a fail that DIDN'T pre-order! :p
 
I've seen numbers, but nothing that backs your claim.

Best bet would be for Rhonen to back up the assumptions driving the interpretation of the numbers.

For example, the following assertion implicitly assumes that nobody on a different carrier could buy an AT&T phone, thereby limiting the market to 97M.

The CURRENT US market available for the iphone is 250M. The market during the IP4 launch wass 97M.[...]

I don't see anything justifying that as assumption as valid.
 
On a whim I thought I'd check that out....





Hello who?!?!? :eek: Pwhahahaa, I think he meant "Hello Siri!" :p

Apple can get their what together?

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Perhaps you have memory issues. You said the market tripled in the US.



Not at all, you're the one that needs to prove yourself. Everyone here believes the 4S is a success. Even the OP bought one. (see above)
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You forgot to mention, the iPhone 4S (and 4) still has more pixels than the Samsung Galaxy S2. S2: 800x480 vs iPhone 4s: 960x640.

Did you even watch the keynote? I bet you didn't...

Lets see:
-Browsing on par with 4G speeds from a 3G phone.
-Amazing power and great battery life.
-Siri is honestly cool (which is funny because I thought I'd never use it).
-New and improved camera.
-New iOS

How is that not a good improvement? How did Apple blow it? I hope you realize technology doesn't evolve as fast as Macrumors readers think it does.

People expect too much. If you want something amazingly better go invent it.
 
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Geckotek said:
You're joking, right? I said demand of the ip4s is less than the ip4 at launch and provided numbers that backed my claim.

I've seen numbers, but nothing that backs your claim.

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It's scary that there are still people who will disagree. I can't see why. Today was a joke.

I couldn't seem to find any way to have it set as an in store pickup either. I guess either I'm missing it, or there are still some bugs in the pre-order site. Oh well.

Perhaps he meant that his post was a joke? He should have used a smiley or said "J/K" at the end.

I'm having a harder time finding people that called the 4S a fail that DIDN'T pre-order! :p

Lol!!!
Love your last two posts...
All bi**hy and whiny then next thing ya know they're ordering it.
 
:rolleyes: Unbelievable! There was nothing stopping a Verizon customer from ordering an iPhone 4 from AT&T. Other than the same contracts that AT&T customers had to deal with.
Oh, so anyone who wanted an iphone 4 already got one despite carrier availabilty? Please.

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Best bet would be for Rhonen to back up the assumptions driving the interpretation of the numbers.

For example, the following assertion implicitly assumes that nobody on a different carrier could buy an AT&T phone, thereby limiting the market to 97M.


I don't see anything justifying that as assumption as valid.
I provided the number of subscribers in a link, add them up.
 
Oh, so anyone who wanted an iphone 4 already got one despite carrier availabilty? Please.

No, but it would be a bad assumption to believe that nobody that wanted an iPhone left Sprint or Verizon and are now waiting with baited breath to buy one. Yes, there are lots of loyal customers ready to buy one...that's obvious.

For your calculations to be true, it assumes that NOBODY on Verizon or Sprint would have migrated to AT&T for the iPhone. Additionally it means Verizon didn't launch the iPhone 4 earlier this year.

I provided the number of subscribers in a link, add them up.

Did you read his post at all?
 
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