apple blew it

Tarzanman said:
Why is 200,000 or one million such a great number for pre-orders?

I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.

Divide that number by... 10 and you have 100,000 phones per country.

Assume that the USA is half of those and you get 10,000 phones per state.

Divide that by 3 carriers and you have 3,333 phones per state for Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint.

Divide that by 30 carrier stores per state and you have roughly 100 phones per store.

That many phones means that carriers won't have to order new stock over the holidays.

What does this all mean? That pre-orders don't mean much and that it is too early to tell anything.

Sony kept talking about how there was a shortage of PS3's even though they were purposely limiting production to generate hype before the holidays.
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Because they are pre-orders by AT&T customers from AT&T...that's it. (the 200,000)

And Appple doesn't have a history of reporting stock shipped to stores. Go see for yourself.
 
Tarzanman said:
I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.
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That's a pretty big stretch. What citations do you have to support that "pre-orders" are anything other than sell-through to end-users? The context of any article I've seen suggests end-user sales not vendors stocks.

Store stock allocations would have been arranged through the supply chain well ahead of the announcement.
 
Tarzanman said:
Why is 200,000 or one million such a great number for pre-orders?

I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.

Divide that number by... 10 and you have 100,000 phones per country.
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Just try ordering one now through apple and the wait has already been bumped to 1-2 weeks. Why? because these are selling through customers leading to 'out of stock'/backorder.
 
Tarzanman said:
Why is 200,000 or one million such a great number for pre-orders?

I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.

Divide that number by... 10 and you have 100,000 phones per country.

Assume that the USA is half of those and you get 10,000 phones per state.

Divide that by 3 carriers and you have 3,333 phones per state for Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint.

Divide that by 30 carrier stores per state and you have roughly 100 phones per store.

That many phones means that carriers won't have to order new stock over the holidays.

What does this all mean? That pre-orders don't mean much and that it is too early to tell anything.

Sony kept talking about how there was a shortage of PS3's even though they were purposely limiting production to generate hype before the holidays.
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Apple is set to sell well over $1 billion worth of iPhone 4Ss in its launch weekend. And Tarzanman is not impressed. Tough crowd. :D
 
It's amazing to hear idiots continue to pontificate on things they know nothing about, and just sound more and more stupid every day.

Per-orders as reported by Apple are not like the "units shipped" numbers reported by other companies to fill the supply chain.

These are pre-orders placed by customers either through Apple or thru the carriers.

If they were to report the units shipped numbers, these would be well over 3 million units, as they fill the supply chain in all of their outlets.

The other major difference of course is all 3 million of these units will be sold by the end of business on Friday..
 
I don't get it.

Do you guys REALLY want an iPhone that resembles an Android handset more? Or do you want a unique device that is unlike every wanna-be in the market?

I'd rather have EVERYTHING different and unique about my iPhone. :apple:
 
BaldiMac said:
Apple is set to sell well over $1 billion worth of iPhone 4Ss in its launch weekend. And Tarzanman is not impressed. Tough crowd. :D
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I think people just get jaded and numb to the sheer numbers Apple has been able to sell the last few years. Is was not long ago that if a widget sold 200,000 in a weekend it was considered a great launch.

I was at the 15,000,000 Mac Party in Boston in 1995 and it took them 11 years to hit that number.
Now they book 1M iPhone pre-orders in a few days.
Go AAPL!
 
I never get why people need to come and defend their alternative choices in a mac forum. I mean you have xda, local forums, engadget, all other tech forums where apple hate is spewed 24/7 and people who buy ipHone are labelled as mindless drones all the time. Why not leave us and join the circle jerk there? We have tried the alternatives, we are not stupid. If we like something why are you so worried over it?
 
Yeah they blew it, 1 million pre orders... Rolls eyes


Last year they had 600 k pre orders and sold 1.7 million in the first three days. If they keep the same paces like they did last yeah (which they will) they will sell 2.1 million in the first three days.

I wodnt be surprised if they sale 2.5 in the first three days.
 
Tarzanman said:
Why is 200,000 or one million such a great number for pre-orders?

I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.

Divide that number by... 10 and you have 100,000 phones per country.

Assume that the USA is half of those and you get 10,000 phones per state.

Divide that by 3 carriers and you have 3,333 phones per state for Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint.

Divide that by 30 carrier stores per state and you have roughly 100 phones per store.

That many phones means that carriers won't have to order new stock over the holidays.

What does this all mean? That pre-orders don't mean much and that it is too early to tell anything.

Sony kept talking about how there was a shortage of PS3's even though they were purposely limiting production to generate hype before the holidays.
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You kidding right? Good one!
 
Tarzanman said:
Why is 200,000 or one million such a great number for pre-orders?

I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.

Divide that number by... 10 and you have 100,000 phones per country.

Assume that the USA is half of those and you get 10,000 phones per state.

Divide that by 3 carriers and you have 3,333 phones per state for Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint.

Divide that by 30 carrier stores per state and you have roughly 100 phones per store.

That many phones means that carriers won't have to order new stock over the holidays.

What does this all mean? That pre-orders don't mean much and that it is too early to tell anything.

Sony kept talking about how there was a shortage of PS3's even though they were purposely limiting production to generate hype before the holidays.
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ahh. That 200,000 was what was sold just on ATT in the US.

You know this right? You are kidding, right? :confused:
 
Tarzanman said:
Why is 200,000 or one million such a great number for pre-orders?

I imagine that most of these pre-orders are cell phone carriers requesting stock for their stores.

Divide that number by... 10 and you have 100,000 phones per country.

Assume that the USA is half of those and you get 10,000 phones per state.

Divide that by 3 carriers and you have 3,333 phones per state for Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint.

Divide that by 30 carrier stores per state and you have roughly 100 phones per store.

That many phones means that carriers won't have to order new stock over the holidays.

What does this all mean? That pre-orders don't mean much and that it is too early to tell anything.

Sony kept talking about how there was a shortage of PS3's even though they were purposely limiting production to generate hype before the holidays.
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Good one, i needed a laugh..
 
I had an iPhone 4 then I moved to a place with horrible AT&T service so I switched to sprint and sold my iPhone for enough to cover the ETF and price of the evo I bought. Now I get to switch back to an iPhone because keeping my wife's rooted evo working well was too time consuming. I just love the ease of doing everything that the iPhone provides. I'm no fanboy but if I can explain to my wife how to do something over the phone the that is an invaluable feature right there.
 
@switching to Android.....

When you get bored of playing with the widgets on your home screen, which should last about an hour; let me know how that works out for you.

I get the distinct feeling that the vast majority of people that make comments such as OP did have never really used an Android phone for any length of time.

About six months ago I bought the latest and greatest Android phone just to see what it was all about. I *think* it was the Infuse but I really can't remember. I do know that it had a huge screen. So, I did what most iPhone users would have done and loaded a bunch of widgets on my home screen. Funny thing is that I got bored with them rather quickly and by the second day I removed all but the weather widget because they got in the way of what I really use my phone for. So much for widgets. The first thing I noticed was lack of visual voicemail. Are you kidding me? How can a "state-of-the-art" smartphone not have this? I called a buddy of mine who told me to go to the Android Marketplace and download <insert pay> for a VV app. Easy enough. Only, there are a bazillion of them and you really don't know which one is the best. Furthermore, it's not like you simply install it and it works. I finally figured out how to set it up only to find out it didn't work all of the time.
Wonderful. So now I have a VV app. that works some of the time. The browser and email client? Clunky and IMO pretty darn ugly. ...but I have widgets on my home screen! LOL I could go on and on but I have never been so underwhelmed in my life. After three days my Android phone ended up on Craigslist. Funny thing is that I had always liked my iPhone but I had never appreciated just how nice it really is until I used an Android phone.

I will be the first to say that your mileage may vary but this was my experience. See you in the lines at Fashion Valley in San Diego on Friday!
 
lol, go android all you want. They sold 1 million of those devices that you were so disappointed about in 24 hours. That's still pretty impressive, I think.
 
I dont understand this "dropped the ball" stuff. They upgraded the hardware in an already great product, and will supplement that with a new operating system. They sold the hell out of them... by early estimates, a 60%+ increase over the last launch. Likely to be the most popular iPhone ever. You may have wanted something else, but from a business perspective, it was a Cruz walk-off grand slam.
 
skinnylegs said:
@switching to Android.....

When you get bored of playing with the widgets on your home screen, which should last about an hour; let me know how that works out for you.

I get the distinct feeling that the vast majority of people that make comments such as OP did have never really used an Android phone for any length of time.

About six months ago I bought the latest and greatest Android phone just to see what it was all about. I *think* it was the Infuse but I really can't remember. I do know that it had a huge screen. So, I did what most iPhone users would have done and loaded a bunch of widgets on my home screen. Funny thing is that I got bored with them rather quickly and by the second day I removed all but the weather widget because they got in the way of what I really use my phone for. So much for widgets. The first thing I noticed was lack of visual voicemail. Are you kidding me? How can a "state-of-the-art" smartphone not have this? I called a buddy of mine who told me to go to the Android Marketplace and download <insert pay> for a VV app. Easy enough. Only, there are a bazillion of them and you really don't know which one is the best. Furthermore, it's not like you simply install it and it works. I finally figured out how to set it up only to find out it didn't work all of the time.
Wonderful. So now I have a VV app. that works some of the time. The browser and email client? Clunky and IMO pretty darn ugly. ...but I have widgets on my home screen! LOL I could go on and on but I have never been so underwhelmed in my life. After three days my Android phone ended up on Craigslist. Funny thing is that I had always liked my iPhone but I had never appreciated just how nice it really is until I used an Android phone.

I will be the first to say that your mileage may vary but this was my experience. See you in the lines at Fashion Valley in San Diego on Friday!
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Wow, it sounds like this post was specifically written for me, lol. I watched the (read actually) Apple presentation last week and was completely underwhelmed. What did I do? I had a temper tantrum and went to my AT&T store that afternoon and purchased a Samsung Galaxy SII. It gave me everything I thought I wanted, most especially the big bright 4"+ screen.

Once I got home and had time to play with the phone and learn the Android OS, I fell in love with the widgets. I mean, how cool are they right?

I could write the rest of your post the same about getting bored of the widgets, lack of visual voicemail, clunky browser, etc.

In the end, there was no huge deficiency with Android that I could point to for my departure from it. It was just a bunch of little things that added up to me not liking it nearly as much as iOS.

So, I returned my Samsung Galaxy SII last night and pre-ordered my iPhone 4S last night. In all, I'm somewhat glad I went through the experience as I truly have real world experience with what Android has to offer. That said, I don 't see myself straying again anytime soon.

Now I have to wait another two weeks for my phone to ship, bummer :(
 
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