It's funny that Facebook is being the transparent one now ... that really takes a bite out of the apple
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Apple Blocked Facebook Update Highlighting Apple's In-App Purchase Fees
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So should Apple Advertise on facebook and list in the Ads how much Facebook is charging for showing ads and what data they are willing to share with them for running the ad. Even better list the targeting demographic info.
Will Facebook disclose how much money they receive everytime they serve ads on my timeline?
These companies have closet doors they do not want opened. As far as 30% Apple sets their fee and it is has been consistent since the beginning. It is the opposite of what existed before them where 70% went to the platform owner. Books now basically have one major source in most cases and they can charge what the want because Amazon was allowed to make the industry unprofitable using dumping techniques. Now book stores are dead. If someone decides to make Apple charge less than their profit limits, they will limit investment and it will hurt users and developers will have less opportunity.
Let's say you want to pay to attend one of these online events with a company that you have a good relationship with and want to support. Now lets say that hypothetically Apple took 90%. Would it be "irrelevant" then? At what point does it become "irrelevant"?
Those who criticise the 30% that Apple Takes, just remember that anyone wanting to publish their e-book on Amazon has a choice between getting 30% of the revenue (Amazon takes 70%) or you getting 70% (Amazon taking 30%).
I have some books on Amazon (under a different name) but I really think that the Amazon 70% cut is really taking the P**s. There isn't 40% worth of difference between the two services.
I have some books on Amazon (under a different name) but I really think that the Amazon 70% cut is really taking the P**s. There isn't 40% worth of difference between the two services.
A) Credit card processors take a cut of the fee
B) My understanding is that it's free of FB fees for one year, then charges will be levied
C) FB is hardly the bastion of all that is good and honest in this world - they don't do "free" - there's always going to be a reckoning with them.
I had a friend have his app rejected because in the description he said he would donate all the proceeds to a particular charity. Apple is seriously f'd up here, they are trying to be gatekeeper and it's just pissing everyone off. So they leave.
Read the story or at least look at the picture.
Facebook is taking 0% of the small businesses doing online events (though surely tracking data).
Apple is taking 30% for essentially processing the payment vs ~3% PayPal would charge.
Actually plus a shop system purchase/rent and plus maintenance of the system, plus SEO/Marketing plus cost for managing all your payments. Depending on the size and type of business, it can be more than 30%. Apple is taking care of all of that (although I'm not defending the current 30% thing, they should come up with a better solution).
However, here we have the small businesses want to be on facebook and facebook wants to be on iOS. Everyone wants their cut. The small businesses could go directly on the internet, but...
Just to add different perspective.
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The bolted. Hasn’t apple contributed enough in the last year or so to various causes, including the pandemic? Don’t blame them for declining.
Apple blocked Facebook's attempt to tell users about the 30% fee that Apple would take of all in-app purchases made through a new online events feature, Facebook has told Reuters. Apple reportedly told Facebook the update violated an App Store rule that prevents developers from showing "irrelevant" information to users.
Facebook planned to launch a new tool in its app that lets online influencers and other businesses host paid online events as a way to recoup revenue lost during the global health crisis. The feature lets Facebook users buy tickets for the events directly through the app.
Apple's long-standing App Store rules say the iPhone maker takes a 30% cut of all in-app purchases. When Facebook asked Apple to waive the fee so it could pass on all events revenue to business owners, Apple reportedly declined.
The feature is now available in the Facebook app, just without the message notifying users about Apple's 30% fee. The image above was released by Facebook earlier this month to show what the message would have looked like.
Facebook reportedly intended to show a message on Android that read "Facebook doesn't take a fee from this purchase," but Reuters said the message doesn't appear in the version of Facebook currently available on the Google Play Store.
Nothing about Apple's actions is new here – the company has been consistent in preventing other apps like Netflix and Spotify from discussing App Store policies, such as explaining that users could pay for their services via the web without Apple taking a cut.
What's different in this case is that by previewing the message ahead of submitting it to Apple's App Store review process, Facebook is clearly looking to fuel debate about the way Apple polices apps on its iOS platform, at a time when Apple is already facing antitrust lawsuits and government probes over alleged anticompetitive actions.
One particularly vocal critic has been Fortnite creator Epic Games, which has repeatedly referred to the App Store as a monopoly. Earlier this month, Apple removed Fortnite from the App Store after Epic Games introduced a direct payment option in the app for its in-game currency, violating App Store rules. In an apparently orchestrated move, Epic Games promptly filed a lawsuit against Apple, accusing the company of anti-competitive behavior.
Spotify and Microsoft have since sided with Epic over the issue, and Facebook's latest action suggests they have picked up another ally in the increasing controversy over Apple's App Store policies.
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Don’t be too sure.
ROFL - you know Facebook owns Instagram and WhatsApp? Do you? Guess two reasons why people buy a smartphone today? How many phones would Apple sell today without Insta, WA, Snapchat, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook... What do you think? 20% ?
I have my list of reasons why I buy a smartphone...but Facebook, et all are not even in the running.
Well, let’s see what happens to Apple’s sales numbers if they remove the Facebook app from their store. For the majority of US users, Facebook is Internet.
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And you are not a typical user.
One doesn’t need the app.
I’m not alone and may be more typical than you believe. 75% of my family isn’t on Facebook.
We have those milk in stores - more expensive but selling quite well.
No, but the company hosting the live event stream is and Facebook was trying to turn over the entire fee to those businesses. Yes I’m sure that Facebook has ulterior motives here, but in the end 30% of the fee paid to support these live events still goes directly to Apple and I’m pretty disappointed in Apple for not doing more to support small businesses.
For sure you have - may I suggest you go to town, meet some younger people and ask em what they are doing with their phones. You probably get > 90% telling you something about messengers and Instagram, shooting selfies and short videos.
And FB, insta and WhatsApp is a heavyweight and belongs to the top reasons why people are using a smartphone - no matter what your reasons are... (All 3 belong to FB if you don’t know)
Absolutely right. FB is just trying to co-opt Epic's dead parrot of an argument.