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Why are people unlocking iPhones still anyway?

Just to run on T*mobile? You lose half your features then, right? No visual VM.

And you would have to buy a full-priced iPhone to do it. I don't get it.

I lose VM and 3G. Oh yeah, and I gain a feature. I can MMS. What's that? You can't?

Apparently you can't count.
 
It makes no sense if you are a little slow...

Carriers pressure Apple into blocking this service for unlocked phones. Pretty simple concept. Why? Because its the main feature in OS3.0, and the carriers want exclusivity on it. They want people to want to be on their contracts.

Wow... Didnt realize it was that cryptic.

Yeah, you go with your conspiracy theories. Push is a pretty minor feature in the grand scheme of things. I highly doubt that many iPhone t-Mobile users will now flock to AT&T, just so they can have Push Notifications.

And you can get Push over WiFi, so it's really a carrier agnostic data feature.
 
So if your theory is correct.. As long as iPhone was "activated" at SOME point - Push should work, even if it is unlocked to a different carrier later?

Although, something here still doesn't sit right with me... Push is also supported on iPod Touch over WiFi, and you never have to "activate" a Touch. So obviously, APNS is not restricted ONLY to activated devices..

His theory is correct. If you activate an iPhone officially, then jailbreak (without restoring) and unlock later, push WILL work.

Starting with 3.0, iPod Touches *do* "activate," only you never see it because iTunes contacts the Apple server silently and obtains the necessary keys.

Only 'hacktivated' iPhones will be affected, because they never perform the initial handshake and obtain the keys (and during a restore, keys are deleted).
 
You know, Congress just had hearings on the effects of exclusivity agreements like the one that Apple and AT&T have. While I'm usually not to excited about government intervention in business deals, stuff like this makes me want the government to step in. Also stuff like AT&T handicapping apps like Skype and Slingbox makes me want some more competition in this area as well. If the service providers had to compete on "service" and not hardware exclusivity deals, consumers would be in a much better position I think.

What BS: why do you want the gov to step in? There is LOTS of competition among cell providers and phone providers. If you want an iPhone, get ATT (in the US anyway); if you don't want ATT, get something else. There are several smart phone options out there. If the gov was in charge, phones will still be the size of paving brings, have no data, and about an hour of battery life. Jeez: be careful what you wish for!
 
Well, this article is obviously wrong. Apple is not blocking anything here. A "jailbroken" OS 3.0 install will not have the necessary keys. Simply add "http://cydia.iphoneil.net" to the sources under Cydia, and then install the package "Push Fix". Done. Works without a hitch.
 
If the gov was in charge, phones will still be the size of paving brings, have no data, and about an hour of battery life. Jeez: be careful what you wish for!

You have heard about this little thing called "the Internet", right? That was originally a US government project. And my local fire department is also a great operation, thank you very much.

So yeah, not all things invented/controlled by the government are bad.
 
Hi
i wonder if that is the same for officially unlocked phones?
In the U.S., there aren't any officially unlocked iPhones. I'm not fully aware if there are any officially unlocked iPhones being offered in other counties. AT&T offers unsubsidized iPhones but they are still locked to AT&T's network.

im on ATT myself and my bill along with my wifes no data plan phone is $205/month. my buddy has 2 unlocked iPhones one for him and one for his wife and they run on our local Bell provider with unlimited everything for $125/month.

$80/month or more savings may be why some people choose to unlock.

he doesnt care about visual voicemail and although his internet is much slower all of his apps work and he is able to use MMS with no problems.
I don't know what plan / features you've added but that's not just iPhone data plan, ... pricing causing you grief.

I have the FamilyTalk 550 with my iPhone 3GS + unlimited data plan ( required ) + 200 TXTs ( $5 ) and one non-iPhone totaling ~$110 per month for my bill.

As much as I'd like it cheaper, $30 is fairly reasonable for completely unlimited data usage, especially on a device like the iPhone.

Actually, if I get an app off of Apple's App store, I am paying Apple 30%. It's not just hardware, it's a service. If Apple isn't providing that service, then I'd think that's in violation of the contract, and opening themselves up to a suit.
If you unlock your iPhone, you're violating a related ( AT&T ) contract. "Eye for an eye"
 
Not everyone who unlocks their iPhone is screwing Apple over. I unlocked my 2G after my contract ended, gave it to a friend on Orange network. My 3G Contract will end in a few months, I'm probably going to unlock that and give it to a friend.... I bought it, paid a tone of money for it, so it's mine and I should be able to unlock and use with Push....
 
Well, this article is obviously wrong. Apple is not blocking anything here. A "jailbroken" OS 3.0 install will not have the necessary keys. Simply add "http://cydia.iphoneil.net" to the sources under Cydia, and then install the package "Push Fix". Done. Works without a hitch.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. Thanks.
 
Mmmmmmm.... just still enjoying tossing my 2G **** hacked and instead paying out of my nose to buy a factory unlocked 3G iPhone from belgium last year. Yep, definitly one of my wiser descisions.
 
Well, this article is obviously wrong. Apple is not blocking anything here. A "jailbroken" OS 3.0 install will not have the necessary keys. Simply add "http://cydia.iphoneil.net" to the sources under Cydia, and then install the package "Push Fix". Done. Works without a hitch.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. Thanks.

We are aware of these PushFix workarounds for unofficially activatied iPhones, however, our users report that even with this fix, Push reminders are very far from reliable after intense testing. Most of the Push reminders are reported to not come throught that way. Please let us know if you have a different experience so we can upgrade our FAQ or let users know.

Thank you!

Dominik Balogh // PoweryBase
 
We are aware of these PushFix workarounds for unofficially activatied iPhones, however, our users report that even with this fix, Push reminders are very far from reliable after intense testing. Most of the Push reminders are reported to not come throught that way. Please let us know if you have a different experience so we can upgrade our FAQ or let users know.

Thank you!

Dominik Balogh // PoweryBase

Well, your developer has been quoted as saying: "However, on a unofficially activated device, APNS keeps the application wait forever and does not provide any respond at all, keeping user wait infinitely or time out the connection, if the target application is capable of timing out."

This insinuates that Apple is doing something to sabotage connections to "unofficially activated" devices and is quite a far cry from "far from reliable".

I receive push notifications from three apps (AP Mobile, Hey where are you and IM+) just fine since installing "Push Fix".
 
Why are people unlocking iPhones still anyway?

Just to run on T*mobile? You lose half your features then, right? No visual VM.

And you would have to buy a full-priced iPhone to do it. I don't get it.

Very simple for me. I have a family member who wanted an iPhone very badly, but I can not afford 2 iPhone data plans. Am with AT&T on a family plan, and the line that wanted an iPhone was using a RAZR with just the $9.99 US per month "add a line" plan to share minutes.

So I handed off both my original iPhone and iPhone 3G, jailbroken/unlocked iPhones to family. They simply popped in their AT&T SIM cards that I am paying for, and they have a legit AT&T phone, sharing minutes, and data via wifi.

Really, we're in the minority in that one iPhone user in the family does not WANT or NEED iPhone data, since every place they go (essentially) there's wifi. They have not run in to a time yet where they wished they had data on their iPhone. Wifi is just fine. I use the APN changer so no data is ever used "accidentally."

AT&T doesn't offer a data-less iPhone plan, so for me jailbreaking/unlocking is the PERFECT solution. We're paying for the AT&T line, but using an iPhone instead.

So yes, there ARE reasons to "...still unlock an iPhone." I'm thrilled and grateful for groups like the iPhone Dev Team.

EDIT: Also, we have no real need for "Push" on the unlocked iPhone. We've been getting around "no MMS" just fine by sending pics using cell phones' email addresses (I still don't get the big deal over not having MMS...it's not a BFD to me), and the family member doesn't really need email "pushed" to them, nor is there a need for notifications either. To each their own...
 
I have an unlocked/activated iPhone 3G in the UK on Vodafone. There's an easy way to make it work with Push and it's working fine for me.

Just restore phone with an O2 SIM in. Wait for 'iPhone Has been Activated' popup. Then do the redsn0w etc. routine.

What's the who-har? Been running BeeJiveIM with Push perfectly fine.
 
Turn OFF your push notifications.
Add http://cydia.iphoneil.net to your cydia.
Install the patch.
Remove and reinstall the push enabled apps.
Enable Push.

This method uses Dev-team's patch.
I'm not the creator of this method, all gathered from the internet.
 
Why are people unlocking iPhones still anyway?

Just to run on T*mobile? You lose half your features then, right? No visual VM.

And you would have to buy a full-priced iPhone to do it. I don't get it.

i agree and Tmobile i hear is horrilbe if your not in a big city area if i would want to unlock my phone and if i could id go to verizon but since verizon is on CDMA thats not possilbe but heres hoping the iphone goes to veriozn in 2011

I'm sure many of you Americans haven't noticed it yet, but there ARE people living outside the States that have different situations, needs and standards than you all. :rolleyes:
 
Starting from 3G, there is no way to buy an iPhone without a contract.
AT&T does provide code to unlock other phones before and after the contract expires, but they are not doing the same thing for iPhone.
So, why should AT&T be allowed to sell locked iPhones and keep them locked forever? Apple is the enabler.

Outside of the US, there are many carriers offering unlocked iPhones and tethering.
US customers always get ripped off.
Ultra high $30 data service + $40 for 450 min + no MMS + no tethering + two-way SMS charges + forever-locked phone.
Cell phone carrier is such a good business to do in the US.
 
i wonder if that is the same for officially unlocked phones?

yeah i would like to know this too as I was going to buy one from a carrier which doesn't lock them. However it implies that they are blocked if used on a carrier that doesnt have that deal which is a bit poor. I would have thought they would jsut want to block them on jailbroken iphones..

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I have a payg 3gs on o2 here in the UK. That should still be okay right?

Well O2 are an official carrier so I would think so..

The article mentions both unlocked and unofficially activated phones. My iPhone is officially activated with an O2 sim, but I have unlocked it for occasional use with other sims.

Will my iPhone accept push notifications or not?

Not sure. I would have thought it would be jailbroken phones that would be blocked but who knows..
 
yeah i would like to know this too as I was going to buy one from a carrier which doesn't lock them. However it implies that they are blocked if used on a carrier that doesnt have that deal which is a bit poor. I would have thought they would jsut want to block them on jailbroken iphones..

I don't think officially unlocked ones are affected 'cos Apple Store sells standalone unlocked phones in some countries.
 
That's not the only reason why people unlocked their phones. My family in dominican republic refuse to pay 900 dollars for an iphone with a two years contract when they can get it here cheaper and without the contract.

In this tough times, you have to save money. If they had good prices for the phone in other countries maybe people would stop unlocking their phones.

I live in USA, so, i'm with att, i dont have a problem with that, but sometimes is ridiculios the prices they try to sell us this phones just because is outside of the usa! That's stupid and people will always unlocked their phones.
 
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