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Apple Blocking Push Notifications on Unlocked iPhones?
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The best iPhone plan that compares to ATT's is the Virgin Topless plan. At $99 AUD ($77 USD) you get unlimited domestic calls, SMS, MMS and 1GB of data for the iPhone, tether-able.
Netherlands: $ 42 gets you 150 min call + 150 SMS + Unlimited data, MMS not included in package, Thethering not supported as yet.
I just wanted to point out that not everyone unlocks their phone to use T-Mobile. While I have a phone that I purchased through Rogers in Canada, when I go to the US, I will get charged $1.30 per minute and $0.04 per kilobyte in roaming fees. If I have a pre-paid AT&T or T-Mobile account, I can greatly reduce the cost of talking and internet use within the US, however, I can't use even an AT&T SIM card in my iPhone unless my phone is unlocked.
In Europe, some people have wallets for SIM cards of the various countries they visit regularly. Without an unlocked phone, they would be stuck dealing with heavy roaming fees.
In Europe, some people have wallets for SIM cards of the various countries they visit regularly. Without an unlocked phone, they would be stuck dealing with heavy roaming fees.
because we can BUY them unlocked
at full price and get unlimited network usage for 20USD/mo and retain pay-as-go service otherwise. we also have a 150Mb/s service that's in testing and ready for rollout near the ear of the year. Currently we still have the old 21Mb/s service.one of the reasons I bought it unlocked was to use SIMs from different countries and pay in-country rates (usually Sweden and Germany).
FYI, a quick primer on how Apple's Push Notifications work. This includes both the "official" examples (such as push email in Mail and push MobileMe calendar/contacts) but also 3rd party applications like AIM or AP Mobile News that push badges and alerts to the iPhone for new content.
These two slides from the March 17, 2009 Keynote video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2slXe4JSEo) pretty much explain it:
One 3rd party app sending a Push notification to APNS which sends it to your iPhone:
All 3rd party apps sending Push notifications to APNS, which then consolidates and sends these notifications to your iPhone:
The important part being that ALL push notifications (including those from 3rd party apps) are routed through Apple's APNS servers. So when your iPhone is asleep in your pocket or you are just looking at the home screen with no apps running, the only background communication for Push functionality on ALL apps (both official apps like Mail and Calendar, and 3rd party) is between your phone and Apple. All of the 3rd party app servers simply talk to Apple's main server, which effectively serves as a "middleman" between your phone and the rest of the "Push server" world. This is why Apple has the ability to control push notifications, even with 3rd party apps.
Also interesting to note that Apple has "control" of all Push notifications (ie they are always routed through Apple's main server), regardless of whether the iPhone or iPod touch is on EDGE, 3G, or WiFi -- because in the end, the Push service relies on communication with Apple's server, regardless of the method used to connect the iPhone/iPod touch to it.
Hopefully that clarifies any confusion some people may have had about how Apple is able to block or otherwise control 3rd party application Push notifications (even on WiFi).
These two slides from the March 17, 2009 Keynote video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2slXe4JSEo) pretty much explain it:
One 3rd party app sending a Push notification to APNS which sends it to your iPhone:
All 3rd party apps sending Push notifications to APNS, which then consolidates and sends these notifications to your iPhone:
The important part being that ALL push notifications (including those from 3rd party apps) are routed through Apple's APNS servers. So when your iPhone is asleep in your pocket or you are just looking at the home screen with no apps running, the only background communication for Push functionality on ALL apps (both official apps like Mail and Calendar, and 3rd party) is between your phone and Apple. All of the 3rd party app servers simply talk to Apple's main server, which effectively serves as a "middleman" between your phone and the rest of the "Push server" world. This is why Apple has the ability to control push notifications, even with 3rd party apps.
Also interesting to note that Apple has "control" of all Push notifications (ie they are always routed through Apple's main server), regardless of whether the iPhone or iPod touch is on EDGE, 3G, or WiFi -- because in the end, the Push service relies on communication with Apple's server, regardless of the method used to connect the iPhone/iPod touch to it.
Hopefully that clarifies any confusion some people may have had about how Apple is able to block or otherwise control 3rd party application Push notifications (even on WiFi).
i hope your right. i just ordered an unlocked phone and i'm waiting for it to be delivered.
Your right but not meant to be a solution was a just a heads up if there were people wondering why their phones weren't working properly, I shall def be trying the push fix. To be honest tho fetch works fine right now, thats what it used to have all the time, if I want email then the phone can grab em when I open it, I'm not bothered it's not being downloaded for me. I can't think of any other push I have.
Just to give you another example. In Hong Kong, the most expensive plan for iPhone 3G S costs <US$52, and it include 2000 anytime minutes, 1500 mobile-to-mobile, unlimited intra SMS, 40 extra SMS, 50 MMS, unlimited Wi-Fi, etc. And the most important, the officially unlocked phone (16GB one) is free!!!
It's not very fair to compare 'cos the coverage area is much much smaller in Hong Kong.
http://iphone.three.com.hk/website/en/iplan.html
But my point that AT&T should not be allowed to sell forever-locked iPhone still holds because they are already covered by the contract and they do unlock other phones for customers that are a few months into their contract.
This article is so wrong.
Push doesn't work on hacktivated iphones.
It works perfectly fine on carrier unlocked iphones.
Just because they do not have unlocking services in the US it doesn't mean they don't have it in other countries. In fact in some countries, locking a phone to a carrier is illegal. So the set is sold unlocked from the start.
Now all these carrier unlocked phones have absolutely no issue with PUSH notifications.
Seriously someone needs to make this clear to the notifyme developer.
Push doesn't work on hacktivated iphones.
It works perfectly fine on carrier unlocked iphones.
Just because they do not have unlocking services in the US it doesn't mean they don't have it in other countries. In fact in some countries, locking a phone to a carrier is illegal. So the set is sold unlocked from the start.
Now all these carrier unlocked phones have absolutely no issue with PUSH notifications.
Seriously someone needs to make this clear to the notifyme developer.
Well I have an official unlocked iphone 3G from Italy, using it in Ireland on Vodafone (O2 official carrier), so far push seems to be working ok for me (ebuddy and where are you now)
iPhone push works with 3.0 in kuwait using wataniya
FYI i can confirm that the iPhone 3G 3.0 that I have in Kuwait works with the local (unsupported) carrier. It is an officially unlocked model sourced from Italy last year. Push notifications work nicely.
I can also confirm that they work in Beirut using one of the local carriers there simply by swapping out the chips and having a data connection.
Also note that I got tethering to work using help.benm.at (bookmark it) in both countries. This is a beautifully executed feature to say the least.
FYI i can confirm that the iPhone 3G 3.0 that I have in Kuwait works with the local (unsupported) carrier. It is an officially unlocked model sourced from Italy last year. Push notifications work nicely.
I can also confirm that they work in Beirut using one of the local carriers there simply by swapping out the chips and having a data connection.
Also note that I got tethering to work using help.benm.at (bookmark it) in both countries. This is a beautifully executed feature to say the least.
Don't think this link has been posted in this thread - Apple's list of which countries where the iPhone is locked to a carrier and which carriers offer unlocking - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1937
It also shows which countries don't have visual voicemail and/or tethering.
It also shows which countries don't have visual voicemail and/or tethering.
Well here in Sweden you can't buy the iPhone unlocked yet (I think however the carriers selling it will unlock it after 1 year or so) but with all other phones we don't buy the phone from the service provider, we only buy the service from them.
(Now I don't know exactly how it is in the US so some things might be the same)
Here's roughly what kind of service plans Telia (the largest swedish provider and the first one to sell the iPhone) offers:
"Keep Talking" Plan:
Monthly fee: 3.65 $ (doesn't include anything) 0.0365$ Starting fee for making a call, 0.0365$/min all carriers, 0.0365$/SMS, 0.25$/MMS
"To Friends" Plan:
Monthly fee: 6.16 $ (doesn't include anything) 0$ Starting fee for making a call, 0.09$/min all carriers, 0.09$/SMS, 0.25$/MMS
Unlimited:
Monthly fee: 75.30 $ (doesn't include anything) 0$ Starting fee for making a call, 0$/min all carriers, 0$/SMS, 0.21$/MMS
Data is 1$/day unless you get a separate data plan which are:
Data always: 8.67$/month, the speed is cut down to edge if you use more thatn 0.5 GB on this one, and I think it only includes web browser traffic.
Data extra: 25$/month: includes everything, tethering and all, speed is however cut down to edge if more than 5Gb is used.
You can also add 5000 free text messages for 12.5$/month.
And if you buy a subsidized phone you can always see how much of the raised monthly fee is for that phone.
Just a brief example of things across the pond.
Dude, obviously you can't read. The whole linked press release is about hacktivated (unofficially unlocked) iPhones, not about legally unlocked devices. Even the developer's copypasted quote here on macrumors says "unofficially activated". Have you even tried to read? Even the source article has the word "hacktivated" in the title.
Jailbreaks and unlocks (not done by Apple) are hacks. If you unlock your phone, or jailbreak it, you are in unsupported territory, and may have broken something. As others have pointed out, the issue appears to be the "hactivation" process jailbreak users can use to skip the Apple activation process. And in doing so, Push is broken.
My main point with my comment wasn't to say anything bad or good about hacks to the iPhone. It's more about making sure people take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming Apple when something goes wrong. If your bypassing the normal functions of the phone, you are outside what Apple has tested, and may lose Apple provided functionality.
Dude you obviously don't know how all this begun.
Before this was even posted here I had already read it on notifyme's website a few days back. At that point of time there was no mention of "hacktivated". The developer simply assumed all unlocked phones.
Marcrumors posts it 2 days later and guess what the post title is...
"apple blocking push notifications on unlocked phones"
Push not working has nothing to do with the locked status of the phone pe se. So wtf should that be in the title heading?
Now if you are going to make reference to
"unlocked for use on non-official wireless carriers" that is totally false as well.
I have an iphone bought unlocked (because locking is illegal in my country) and I'm using it with a non-official wireless carrier and I have no issues with push working.
Long story short, as long as the phone is legally unlocked push notifications will work regardless of whatever carrier u use it on. Official or otherwise. Only hacktivated phones suffer from this issue. That should be the title of this thread. All the emphasis should be on that not "unlocked".
BUT YES granted that the press release does specifically say Hacktivated iphones the point I'm trying to make is that the original source of the accusation (and macrumors) assumes its an issue with all unlocked phones.
I find it funny though that a developer is trying to find workarounds for hacktivated phones when in a couple of days their own app could be pirated and distributed for free on these hacktivated phones.
I guess the correct answer is APN only works on phones that have been activated via iTunes. So those unlocking their phones without going through Apple are experiencing this problem, while those that have an officially unlocked phone are okay.
(did I get it right?)
Unregulating banking (such as insisting that mortgages be granted to unqualified borrowers: see Barney Frank and his ilk meddling in the mortgage business) doesn't exist. The meltdown occurred because of a housing bubble exacerbated by investors being lied to, congress trying to satisfy various constituencies (lower middle class borrowers, big banks, Fannie/Freddie May et al). It was private profit and public risk, and it never works.
I'm sure that Government Motors will build cars we want to buy at lower cost (stop laughing, the gov says it will...).
So, NO, government should not be able to tell ATT and Apple, they can't have a partnership; nor should they tell Palm and Sprint they can't team up. There is plenty of competition. If you don' t like ATT, don't buy an iPhone. You have choices, you just want to get exactly what you want for free. Sorry.
Oh, and that internet gov project: serious flaws and the lack of competition is why it is so vulnerable to the various attacks wee see all the time. DOS, IP spoofing, etc. should not be able to happen, but they do because the system was never designed for general use.
Eddie O, sort of libertarian.
$205 a month for a cell phone? I have 4 phones on a family plan including 2 iPhones. $150 a month for the 700 minute plan. If you want cheap SMS and mms it's $17 per year for the textfree apps