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Apple Blocks Rumor Sites
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being denied press pases is a big deal, however, if a relationship between a site and a vendor exists, and it is a real relationship, the vendor will still talk to the site.
Chubakka is right, any journalist who relies on rumors for information is not reporting news, they are reporting rumors, makig the site, by default, a rumor site. If the site is antirumor, the editorial policy should be not to use rumors as information. period. IF a site doesn't have an editorial policy, as amny of them do not. Then they aren't really press.
I think the only time rumor sites or rumors should be included in a "news article," is when it is in the past tense, such as "verifying rumors of a new product, apple introduced the new iMac today..."
I stand by my superbowl analogy. I worked for an online magzine for awhile, and one of my duties was to write about pro football. This was a small site, one that got maybe a few hundred hit a day if lucky. There is no possible way that NFL was going to give me a press pass to the superbowl. I could still go, and I did go, to the tune of $400 and it was the best money I ever spent.
Chubakka is right, any journalist who relies on rumors for information is not reporting news, they are reporting rumors, makig the site, by default, a rumor site. If the site is antirumor, the editorial policy should be not to use rumors as information. period. IF a site doesn't have an editorial policy, as amny of them do not. Then they aren't really press.
I think the only time rumor sites or rumors should be included in a "news article," is when it is in the past tense, such as "verifying rumors of a new product, apple introduced the new iMac today..."
I stand by my superbowl analogy. I worked for an online magzine for awhile, and one of my duties was to write about pro football. This was a small site, one that got maybe a few hundred hit a day if lucky. There is no possible way that NFL was going to give me a press pass to the superbowl. I could still go, and I did go, to the tune of $400 and it was the best money I ever spent.
Those of you who have reminded us that this is more about the false labeling of news sites as rumor sites for the purposes of banning them are right to do so, but I stand by what I said before. Why would Apple go out of its way to inconvenience people who (supposedly) just post news and reviews? I honestly think it goes back to what I said before: "[Apple is] denying press passes to organizations that have, in its opinion, mishandled Apple's intellectual property in the past." Like it or not, they have the right to do this, for any reason they see fit. Sure, it really blows for the organizations that get banned. But Apple is not banning people from getting press passes for the heck of it - why would they? These sites must have done something to get on Apple's bad side (or at least become slightly less-favored, as one person mentioned, they might want to reserve spots for bigger news orgs.), even if it's something as seemingly innocuous as posting a link to a rumor site or rehashing the rumors even with skepticism. If you want to keep in good standing, stay as far away from anything related to rumors as possible! It surely stinks for those people, but Apple is entirely within its rights.
We update every friday, BTW...
Review sites can and have gotten media passes, heck even The Mac Mind did when I wrote for them...
Applelust covered MWSF- and met lots of vendors whose products we review...yaddayadda... and now, relatively inexplicably, we weren't considered media even after being issued credentials for MWNY 02 already.
Whether you like Applelust or not, feel they are news or not-- would you call Applelust a rumor site? Do you think the decision to pull credentials after issuing them, two weeks before the event with plane tickets bought and reservations made is the time to do so?
Applelust writers write for more than a handful of sites- connect the dots, those sites are now being blacklisted as well. This isn't just about Applelust. This is a corner of the industry being pinned down and cut away. Several very large sites are currently appealing, as are we, and you better believe you'll hear from them if they are turned down again.
If they want to deny us credentials when we apply- fine. We'll have to live with that. But when we're issued them, it's well within OUR right to be suspicious and angry when they are suddenly revoked.
Review sites can and have gotten media passes, heck even The Mac Mind did when I wrote for them...
Applelust covered MWSF- and met lots of vendors whose products we review...yaddayadda... and now, relatively inexplicably, we weren't considered media even after being issued credentials for MWNY 02 already.
Whether you like Applelust or not, feel they are news or not-- would you call Applelust a rumor site? Do you think the decision to pull credentials after issuing them, two weeks before the event with plane tickets bought and reservations made is the time to do so?
Applelust writers write for more than a handful of sites- connect the dots, those sites are now being blacklisted as well. This isn't just about Applelust. This is a corner of the industry being pinned down and cut away. Several very large sites are currently appealing, as are we, and you better believe you'll hear from them if they are turned down again.
If they want to deny us credentials when we apply- fine. We'll have to live with that. But when we're issued them, it's well within OUR right to be suspicious and angry when they are suddenly revoked.
This is all Jobs
It is evident through the zealot like pursuit of all those who even drop a link to a rumors site, that this is the witch hunt of a crazed genius about keeping all the tricks in his magic bag.
Steve is just pissed about folks trying to steal his thunder. It's one of his trademarks. He obsesses for weeks about all the big events: copy, presentation, etc.
Like when Radeon spilled some beans before a Mac World, and then all of a sudden powermacs we equipped with Nvidea cards. I read The Second Coming of Steve J a few months ago. According to Mr. Deutchman, Mr. Jobs is very capable and rather has an aptitude for this sort of outburst.
I think it's great. It pisses some people off, and that's terrible. But nevertheless, it is indicative of the great character at the helm of such a phenomenal company.
Mac DV out
It is evident through the zealot like pursuit of all those who even drop a link to a rumors site, that this is the witch hunt of a crazed genius about keeping all the tricks in his magic bag.
Steve is just pissed about folks trying to steal his thunder. It's one of his trademarks. He obsesses for weeks about all the big events: copy, presentation, etc.
Like when Radeon spilled some beans before a Mac World, and then all of a sudden powermacs we equipped with Nvidea cards. I read The Second Coming of Steve J a few months ago. According to Mr. Deutchman, Mr. Jobs is very capable and rather has an aptitude for this sort of outburst.
I think it's great. It pisses some people off, and that's terrible. But nevertheless, it is indicative of the great character at the helm of such a phenomenal company.
Mac DV out
one more note:
The Applelinks article that broke the story on this banning (as it was happening to some of us) and was featured on MacSurfer, has disappeared.
It's still listed here:
http://www.applelinks.com/news/yesterday.shtml
But isn't in full where it should be here:
http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2002/07/20020702002901.shtml
It's not hard to imagine it's been muscled out. The whole subject will either be snuffed out over the weekend, or blown totally up. Not sure which, depends on the cahones of those yanked around by Apple.
The Applelinks article that broke the story on this banning (as it was happening to some of us) and was featured on MacSurfer, has disappeared.
It's still listed here:
http://www.applelinks.com/news/yesterday.shtml
But isn't in full where it should be here:
http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2002/07/20020702002901.shtml
It's not hard to imagine it's been muscled out. The whole subject will either be snuffed out over the weekend, or blown totally up. Not sure which, depends on the cahones of those yanked around by Apple.
Re: you cant blame them..
EXACTLY!
it's never enough............for most people anyway...........
since apple began it has always been like this and it will ALWAYS be like this......if apple this if apple that.......get over it.
And they will ALWAYS be playing "catch up" with the wintel world.
Just buy 1 if you need 1. I did......
EXACTLY!
it's never enough............for most people anyway...........
since apple began it has always been like this and it will ALWAYS be like this......if apple this if apple that.......get over it.
And they will ALWAYS be playing "catch up" with the wintel world.
Just buy 1 if you need 1. I did......
Apple and The wintel world
Apple people are apple people because they like the machines and the OS. Unless you have some overidding (financial need) to cut a few seconds of a process here and there (and I'll admit, that does add up over a day) then nay computer available today is plenty fast enough. Surfing and word stuff, that takes no processor power, if you want faster games, buy a console, they are built with a specific archetecture to handle games. I'm tired of hearing people whine about speed. You need speed in serious math intensive stuff. You need speed in video, but people in Video on Macs do so because they like the platform and the software is par excellent. If you need all of that raw power, build a cluster (easier on a mac, btw.)
Jeesh! Its like owning a Mercedes, its well built and it works well adn it rarely has problems. So it doesn't go a huindred and seventy miles an hour, how often do youneed it to?
Apple people are apple people because they like the machines and the OS. Unless you have some overidding (financial need) to cut a few seconds of a process here and there (and I'll admit, that does add up over a day) then nay computer available today is plenty fast enough. Surfing and word stuff, that takes no processor power, if you want faster games, buy a console, they are built with a specific archetecture to handle games. I'm tired of hearing people whine about speed. You need speed in serious math intensive stuff. You need speed in video, but people in Video on Macs do so because they like the platform and the software is par excellent. If you need all of that raw power, build a cluster (easier on a mac, btw.)
Jeesh! Its like owning a Mercedes, its well built and it works well adn it rarely has problems. So it doesn't go a huindred and seventy miles an hour, how often do youneed it to?
if you mean I don't do a lot of math intensive processes, you're absolutely correct. I do run a lot of video through my machines (for a living) however, and of course I wish they were faster. Of course, the top line Macs are faster than mine. You missed my point, most people aren't power users, and those who are should act accordingly. Everyone wants better systems, but for most, there is plenty of power under the hood.
ooooo.power user, I better bow down.
snob.
ooooo.power user, I better bow down.
snob.
Many Mac Sites are Blacklisted
Heh, heh.
So many people think that a media pass is nothing more than a free ticket to the Expo floor. Some people even think that an exhibits pass gets you into the keynote, and so what if you just watch the keynote on the Web... what a laugh.
Read on and learn something...
Re: Apple's assault on the First Amendment...
A number of people have pointed out (correctly) that Apple denying press passes to selected individuals or media outlets *Is not a violation of the First Amendment.* The First Amendment is quite specific in stating that government may not interfere in the freedom of expression.
However...
It *is* an assault on on the spirit and intent of the First Amendment. Many journalists consider any attempt by any large organization to control the content of media outlets, directly or indirectly by coercion, to be an affront to the spirit of freedom of the press.
Given that wider definition, my original statement that "the First Amendment is under assault," stands. I never said Apple's action in this situation was "unconstitutional," "illegal," or a "violation of the First Amendment." BUT, It is just wrong. I can still write whatever I want, but I am being excluded from important, first hand media events, due to a perception of the nature of the content that I produce. This is blatant coercion of the media as a whole to tailor their content to the pleasure of Apple.
It is not just GraphicPower...
Many, many Mac centric Web sites have been blacklisted for nothing more than making commentary on a rumor on someone else's site. I am not at liberty to list the sites that I know are blacklisted. Most of them are still trying to get their media credentials reinstated, so they are keeping a low profile. Just as many sites do not even know that they are blacklisted, either because they did not pre-register, or they simply have not been informed yet. I spoke with one Web editor yesterday who did not know that his site was blacklisted until another editor attempted to register. I even received my media badge yesterday, but I know that if I was to go to the Javits Center to get the badge holder, that I would be denied.
Re: Whether this is quibbling over a free pass...
Obviously, this poster has no idea of the plethora of benefits of a media pass. To begin with, media has their reserved area to wait for entrance into the keynote, and their own reserved seating area for the keynote. The keynote is the media focal event of the Expo, for cryin' out loud. An exhibits only pass DOES NOT ADMIT YOU TO THE KEYNOTE. Even if it did, you would be stuck with the thousands of conference pass holders who get into the keynote hall last, after the VIP's, and after the media. Media would not be able to get decent pictures, would have to arrive 3 hours before the keynote to stand in a line that is a half mile long, and might not even get into the main hall.
It would be impossible to effectively cover the keynote without a media pass.
Other media benefits...
Media is provided with a work room with computers, Ethernet, modem lines, and Airport. The workroom is where we can get out of the bustle to write and post our stories.
Media also is provided with a lounge where we can meet with exhibitors, interact with each other (very important) and get refreshment and meals. By meals, I mean we are provided with continental breakfast, a full lunch (sometimes hot,) beverages and an afternoon snack. Do not dismiss the value of this. When we are covering the show on our own money and we are there for 4 days, that adds up to a very significant benefit.
The media kit room is where vendors provide information such as literature, software, and PR contact info that is not available on the show floor, where you would have to lug that info around all day.
The media pass has many other quite tangible benefits.
Have you ever spent 4 or 5 days in New York? It can be quite expensive to get decent meals. Media are readily invited to any number of evening social events where we not only get food, but it is one of the best ways of really getting to interact with and get to know various exhibitors and other members of the press. If you've never been in those shoes, you would not recognize the benefits
So, you see, the media pass is not just a free $15 ticket to get into the Expo.
The irony here is that GraphicPower is not even a rumor site. We were blacklisted because we have had links to rumor sites, and because we make "Macworld Expo Predictions."
I started GraphicPower as a conduit of Apple advocacy and to get more involved in the Mac community. I no longer feel inclined to advocate Apple. I certainly do not intend to publish a Mac centric Web site under the cloud of having to consider whether I offend Apple or not. It is not just my media status that I have lost... I have lost my Mac spirit.
Here are a few links to relevant articles that have appeared in the last couple of days:
Can Apple Stop the Presses? by Matthew Rothenberg
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,338390,00.asp
Apple denying Expo press access to 'rumor' sites; dangerous game - on Thinksecret.com
http://thinksecret.com/news/editorialpressaccess.html
Comments: Media Pass Crackdown at MWENY? by John H. Farr
http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2002/07/20020702002901.shtml
Scott McCarty
Former Publisher of GraphicPower.com
Heh, heh.
So many people think that a media pass is nothing more than a free ticket to the Expo floor. Some people even think that an exhibits pass gets you into the keynote, and so what if you just watch the keynote on the Web... what a laugh.
Read on and learn something...
Re: Apple's assault on the First Amendment...
A number of people have pointed out (correctly) that Apple denying press passes to selected individuals or media outlets *Is not a violation of the First Amendment.* The First Amendment is quite specific in stating that government may not interfere in the freedom of expression.
However...
It *is* an assault on on the spirit and intent of the First Amendment. Many journalists consider any attempt by any large organization to control the content of media outlets, directly or indirectly by coercion, to be an affront to the spirit of freedom of the press.
Given that wider definition, my original statement that "the First Amendment is under assault," stands. I never said Apple's action in this situation was "unconstitutional," "illegal," or a "violation of the First Amendment." BUT, It is just wrong. I can still write whatever I want, but I am being excluded from important, first hand media events, due to a perception of the nature of the content that I produce. This is blatant coercion of the media as a whole to tailor their content to the pleasure of Apple.
It is not just GraphicPower...
Many, many Mac centric Web sites have been blacklisted for nothing more than making commentary on a rumor on someone else's site. I am not at liberty to list the sites that I know are blacklisted. Most of them are still trying to get their media credentials reinstated, so they are keeping a low profile. Just as many sites do not even know that they are blacklisted, either because they did not pre-register, or they simply have not been informed yet. I spoke with one Web editor yesterday who did not know that his site was blacklisted until another editor attempted to register. I even received my media badge yesterday, but I know that if I was to go to the Javits Center to get the badge holder, that I would be denied.
Re: Whether this is quibbling over a free pass...
Obviously, this poster has no idea of the plethora of benefits of a media pass. To begin with, media has their reserved area to wait for entrance into the keynote, and their own reserved seating area for the keynote. The keynote is the media focal event of the Expo, for cryin' out loud. An exhibits only pass DOES NOT ADMIT YOU TO THE KEYNOTE. Even if it did, you would be stuck with the thousands of conference pass holders who get into the keynote hall last, after the VIP's, and after the media. Media would not be able to get decent pictures, would have to arrive 3 hours before the keynote to stand in a line that is a half mile long, and might not even get into the main hall.
It would be impossible to effectively cover the keynote without a media pass.
Other media benefits...
Media is provided with a work room with computers, Ethernet, modem lines, and Airport. The workroom is where we can get out of the bustle to write and post our stories.
Media also is provided with a lounge where we can meet with exhibitors, interact with each other (very important) and get refreshment and meals. By meals, I mean we are provided with continental breakfast, a full lunch (sometimes hot,) beverages and an afternoon snack. Do not dismiss the value of this. When we are covering the show on our own money and we are there for 4 days, that adds up to a very significant benefit.
The media kit room is where vendors provide information such as literature, software, and PR contact info that is not available on the show floor, where you would have to lug that info around all day.
The media pass has many other quite tangible benefits.
Have you ever spent 4 or 5 days in New York? It can be quite expensive to get decent meals. Media are readily invited to any number of evening social events where we not only get food, but it is one of the best ways of really getting to interact with and get to know various exhibitors and other members of the press. If you've never been in those shoes, you would not recognize the benefits
So, you see, the media pass is not just a free $15 ticket to get into the Expo.
The irony here is that GraphicPower is not even a rumor site. We were blacklisted because we have had links to rumor sites, and because we make "Macworld Expo Predictions."
I started GraphicPower as a conduit of Apple advocacy and to get more involved in the Mac community. I no longer feel inclined to advocate Apple. I certainly do not intend to publish a Mac centric Web site under the cloud of having to consider whether I offend Apple or not. It is not just my media status that I have lost... I have lost my Mac spirit.
Here are a few links to relevant articles that have appeared in the last couple of days:
Can Apple Stop the Presses? by Matthew Rothenberg
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,338390,00.asp
Apple denying Expo press access to 'rumor' sites; dangerous game - on Thinksecret.com
http://thinksecret.com/news/editorialpressaccess.html
Comments: Media Pass Crackdown at MWENY? by John H. Farr
http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2002/07/20020702002901.shtml
Scott McCarty
Former Publisher of GraphicPower.com
Press Qualifications and Frequency
So what if a site has not posted new content this week, or last week, or last month. The qualifications require an individual to have a bylined article *within the last 6 months.* What if I created a site called exporeports.com and only published new content during the weeks just prior to and after Macworld Expo. A lot of media outlets that are print based are only annual, semi-annual or quarterly. That does not diminish their legitamacy. Don't confuse "news" with "media." News is by definition... new. There are plenty of aspects of media that have nothing to do with frequency of publication.
I will repeat what Dean said... the controversy is not over rumor sites, it is about sites that are not rumor sites that have been blacklisted. None of us can say which sites yet because they are trying to get reinstated, but I assure you that AppleLust and GraphicPower are among the smallest that have been blacklisted. Other sites with 500,000 unique visitors and millions of page views per month that most certainly are not rumor sites have been blacklisted.
The actual rumor sites knew all along that they would not get media passes. Those of us who were granted media passes and had them revoked after booking travel and lodging have been genuinely damaged.
A media pass is not just free admission. Who cares about a few dollars? The media pass gives you media treatment with vendors. For the one who said, "If you have a relationship with a vendor you will still have that relationship.."
How do you think that relationship got established?!? By having the media badge, twerp.
So what if a site has not posted new content this week, or last week, or last month. The qualifications require an individual to have a bylined article *within the last 6 months.* What if I created a site called exporeports.com and only published new content during the weeks just prior to and after Macworld Expo. A lot of media outlets that are print based are only annual, semi-annual or quarterly. That does not diminish their legitamacy. Don't confuse "news" with "media." News is by definition... new. There are plenty of aspects of media that have nothing to do with frequency of publication.
I will repeat what Dean said... the controversy is not over rumor sites, it is about sites that are not rumor sites that have been blacklisted. None of us can say which sites yet because they are trying to get reinstated, but I assure you that AppleLust and GraphicPower are among the smallest that have been blacklisted. Other sites with 500,000 unique visitors and millions of page views per month that most certainly are not rumor sites have been blacklisted.
The actual rumor sites knew all along that they would not get media passes. Those of us who were granted media passes and had them revoked after booking travel and lodging have been genuinely damaged.
A media pass is not just free admission. Who cares about a few dollars? The media pass gives you media treatment with vendors. For the one who said, "If you have a relationship with a vendor you will still have that relationship.."
How do you think that relationship got established?!? By having the media badge, twerp.
Wow, has anyone read MOSR today? Ryan "Will Work for Food" Meader just posted a stingingly bitter and disingenuous tirade against Apple, professing not to give an [expletive deleted] about MWNY anyway (sha-right) and concluding with the following improbable statement: "Get a clue, Apple, or start preparing your Chapter 11 filing now."
I think Meader should be first in line for the cluetrain. Better still, the rant is preceded by MOSR's usual excuses for the dearth of updates ... they were "sitting" on stuff that other sites decided to release (honest! they swear!) ... and this is the best one yet ... apparently, somehow, LimeWire hosed the computer they were writing the update on. Enabling procrastination and pathetically predictable/deceptive excuses is apparently an undocumented feature of LimeWire.
I think Meader should be first in line for the cluetrain. Better still, the rant is preceded by MOSR's usual excuses for the dearth of updates ... they were "sitting" on stuff that other sites decided to release (honest! they swear!) ... and this is the best one yet ... apparently, somehow, LimeWire hosed the computer they were writing the update on. Enabling procrastination and pathetically predictable/deceptive excuses is apparently an undocumented feature of LimeWire.
Not to be overly inflamatory.. but I have been selling, repairing, upgrading, and consulting on Macs as my primary source of income for the last 5 years, and as a side venture for an additional 5 before that. I have been drawing a paycheck based on computers in one form or another since 1985. Before that, back to 1979, it was just a hobby. Now, that said...
I have never heard of AppleLust or GraphicPower. Never. Not a word. So, while I may be generally clueless (I'm sure you'll find many that agree with that one) I suspect I speak for the CRUSHING majority of Apple users when I say, "Huh? Who? Never heard of them." That said, you seriously overestimate how much anyone cares that you feel you were "f*cked over by Apple" as your website declares.
Whether I agree with the ideas you present or not is really immaterial (although I do) because when you spew that sort of venom, and wrap yourself in a flag to do it, you really strike a particularly ugly nerve with a lot of people who "get" what patriotism and the constitution are really about, and you make us hate you. A lot. Just my not so very humble opinion.
I have never heard of AppleLust or GraphicPower. Never. Not a word. So, while I may be generally clueless (I'm sure you'll find many that agree with that one) I suspect I speak for the CRUSHING majority of Apple users when I say, "Huh? Who? Never heard of them." That said, you seriously overestimate how much anyone cares that you feel you were "f*cked over by Apple" as your website declares.
Whether I agree with the ideas you present or not is really immaterial (although I do) because when you spew that sort of venom, and wrap yourself in a flag to do it, you really strike a particularly ugly nerve with a lot of people who "get" what patriotism and the constitution are really about, and you make us hate you. A lot. Just my not so very humble opinion.
Also, I think it's particularly interesting that a lot of these rumor sites actually expect us to take their bogus side in this. Guess what, kids? I only read your speculation in the first place because I'm interested in APPLE. I don't give a rat's butt about your well-being. If it comes down to you versus Apple, it's not even a question in my mind or in most readers' minds which side of the divide we fall on. See, funnily enough, I'm interested in Apple because of their PRODUCTS. I could care less about Apple's press policy.
I used to like ThinkSecret. Not so much anymore.
I used to like ThinkSecret. Not so much anymore.
Amen. While I never would have sided with them on pretty much any issue, they were comfortably in that zone of ambivolence where most of the world sits with me.. now they will forever be viewed with that twinge of 'NOW what are they crying about?' that will likely lead me to just not bother with them sooner or later.
Sounds to me like we're hearing what my grandma calls the give me syndrome. Another words, let's say you give a neighbor down the street a hundred dollars. (hmmm, wish that i had a hundred dollars to give away... 
) the next week you give him the same amount, you contintue doing this for several months/years. Then you stop...
At first your neighbor was surprised by what you gave him, but then he became used to it, and finally became to expect it as a right... He would plan his whole weaks spending on that Friday's money. He might even plan parties for Friday night... When you stop, he might very well become angery... After all, he "needed" the money. Why he had heard from you daughter that very week that you were planning on giving him the money, and he had planned a BIG party! If you didn't give him the money he didn't know what he would do. But do you have to give him the money?? Isn't it really yours?? To do what ever you want with??
I know that you have to be a little creative to see the analogy, but i think that there is somewhat of a point here. Sure it would be nice to be allowed into the expo with a media pass... But that isn't really your right, it's a gift from apple to you!! In effect there saying, we like the coverage that you give us, and we would like to reward you by letting you in free!
Anyway that's my two bits...
probably should start for bed... kind of late here...
) the next week you give him the same amount, you contintue doing this for several months/years. Then you stop... At first your neighbor was surprised by what you gave him, but then he became used to it, and finally became to expect it as a right... He would plan his whole weaks spending on that Friday's money. He might even plan parties for Friday night... When you stop, he might very well become angery... After all, he "needed" the money. Why he had heard from you daughter that very week that you were planning on giving him the money, and he had planned a BIG party! If you didn't give him the money he didn't know what he would do. But do you have to give him the money?? Isn't it really yours?? To do what ever you want with??
I know that you have to be a little creative to see the analogy, but i think that there is somewhat of a point here. Sure it would be nice to be allowed into the expo with a media pass... But that isn't really your right, it's a gift from apple to you!! In effect there saying, we like the coverage that you give us, and we would like to reward you by letting you in free!
Anyway that's my two bits...
probably should start for bed... kind of late here...
Learning to dance together
This subject interests me because if 2.4% of the market share went out of business who would know without the press? If 2.4% of the market share gained another 0.2% of the market share who would know without the press?
As I remember from the last ten years or so Apple has lost more market share than they current have. I think that is an indication that Apple is not solving their customers needs. To gain that market share back Apple will need better solutions and the press.
We know Apple is trying to be both a hardware company that makes software and a software company that makes hardware. On occasion, for a small slice of the market, Apple has been the hardware leader for a few applications and the same is true for the software. Since I started using Macs in 1986 Apple has not been the across the board industry leader.
Competition and higher expectation from their customers will spur Apple to produce better products. Again the press, in this web age of instant information, is a keystone for Apple's marketing efforts. For both validating what is and guiding future choices by making the customer aware of what is in the horizon.
The window of opportunity for Apple products is being compressed by the increasing knowledge and associated expectations of their target audience. Personal computers are a commodity that either plays well with others or are replaced. Again the press is part of the information stream.
I think the rumor press is part of the expectation pressure Apple feels from the market place. Imagine your Apple trying to market a product with a several year old key component and the rumor press is out there saying a current component is just around the corner. Seems to me that would do a lot to jerk Apple out of their comfort zone. Especially since there is little they can do to get back on the band wagon because they seem caught in a catch 22 situation. Not enough market share to drive their vendors to develop needed components and without the key components their customer base is in jeopardy. Then as Apple is doing come to market as a single sourced product line besides. Fortunately there is customer loyality which is in part fostered by specialty web sites, a portion of the press.
So if 2.4% of the market share disappeared who would know without the press? If no press covered the up coming Mac World who would know it happened? I think Apple and the press need to learn how to play well together. This childish interchange will live on long after the trade show is forgotten and all the products announced have been replaced many times over. Remember what you learned in kindergarten, play nice.
This subject interests me because if 2.4% of the market share went out of business who would know without the press? If 2.4% of the market share gained another 0.2% of the market share who would know without the press?
As I remember from the last ten years or so Apple has lost more market share than they current have. I think that is an indication that Apple is not solving their customers needs. To gain that market share back Apple will need better solutions and the press.
We know Apple is trying to be both a hardware company that makes software and a software company that makes hardware. On occasion, for a small slice of the market, Apple has been the hardware leader for a few applications and the same is true for the software. Since I started using Macs in 1986 Apple has not been the across the board industry leader.
Competition and higher expectation from their customers will spur Apple to produce better products. Again the press, in this web age of instant information, is a keystone for Apple's marketing efforts. For both validating what is and guiding future choices by making the customer aware of what is in the horizon.
The window of opportunity for Apple products is being compressed by the increasing knowledge and associated expectations of their target audience. Personal computers are a commodity that either plays well with others or are replaced. Again the press is part of the information stream.
I think the rumor press is part of the expectation pressure Apple feels from the market place. Imagine your Apple trying to market a product with a several year old key component and the rumor press is out there saying a current component is just around the corner. Seems to me that would do a lot to jerk Apple out of their comfort zone. Especially since there is little they can do to get back on the band wagon because they seem caught in a catch 22 situation. Not enough market share to drive their vendors to develop needed components and without the key components their customer base is in jeopardy. Then as Apple is doing come to market as a single sourced product line besides. Fortunately there is customer loyality which is in part fostered by specialty web sites, a portion of the press.
So if 2.4% of the market share disappeared who would know without the press? If no press covered the up coming Mac World who would know it happened? I think Apple and the press need to learn how to play well together. This childish interchange will live on long after the trade show is forgotten and all the products announced have been replaced many times over. Remember what you learned in kindergarten, play nice.
Re: Learning to dance together
Sorry Rumor sites are not the press so get over it.
Reporting of rumors barely qualifies as being press. Read the tabloids and see if that jives with you. It probably will until they start saying a whole lot of false things about you in general.
Every company worth its bottom line controls the press, not doubt about it. Who knows about it? The accountants and owners of those press outlets. The actual writers think they have free speech, but they don't . Advertising revenue pressure is a very effective means of having articles published only favorable to the company. Whine and cry alls you want, but unless those writers are the owners they don't have the final say.
Sorry Rumor sites are not the press so get over it.
Reporting of rumors barely qualifies as being press. Read the tabloids and see if that jives with you. It probably will until they start saying a whole lot of false things about you in general.
Every company worth its bottom line controls the press, not doubt about it. Who knows about it? The accountants and owners of those press outlets. The actual writers think they have free speech, but they don't . Advertising revenue pressure is a very effective means of having articles published only favorable to the company. Whine and cry alls you want, but unless those writers are the owners they don't have the final say.
Haha, that is funny. I just read the site today. Stopped reading them regularly because of the dearth of updates. Replaced macOSrumors with macrumors.com in my bookmarks. This is a much better site for all intents and purposes and does not take itself too seriously.
Maybe they can claim the RIAA crashed their limewire computer.
As for their chapter 11 tirade, its funny they said that. Because over here we see mention of a marketshare increase. So what should we think then? Because of Apple's crackdown on rumor sites their marketshare increased?
Well maybe twisting the already twisted logic of MOSR we could go with that.
It is NOT about Rumor Sites
For all of those who seem to be missing the point...
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BLACKLISTING OF RUMOR SITES
IT IS ABOUT THE BLACKLISTING OF SITES THAT ARE NOT RUMOR SITES
Everybody knew in advance that rumor sites were not going to be granted media credentials. That is bad enough, but virtually every Mac Web site, with very few exceptions, have been blacklisted. Any site who has ever linked to a rumor site, made commentary on a rumor posted elsewhere, or speculated about what will be announced at the Expo has been blacklisted. And they were blacklisted just 2 weeks before the expo after already making travel plans.
This has happened to prominent sites with half a million visitors and several million page views per month.
This is blatent coercion of the press by Apple to never post anything that Apple may not like and to never link to sites that Apple may not like. The 5 or 6 sites that are actual rumor sites are not the ones being affected here. Something like 30 sites have been blacklisted.
For all of those who seem to be missing the point...
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BLACKLISTING OF RUMOR SITES
IT IS ABOUT THE BLACKLISTING OF SITES THAT ARE NOT RUMOR SITES
Everybody knew in advance that rumor sites were not going to be granted media credentials. That is bad enough, but virtually every Mac Web site, with very few exceptions, have been blacklisted. Any site who has ever linked to a rumor site, made commentary on a rumor posted elsewhere, or speculated about what will be announced at the Expo has been blacklisted. And they were blacklisted just 2 weeks before the expo after already making travel plans.
This has happened to prominent sites with half a million visitors and several million page views per month.
This is blatent coercion of the press by Apple to never post anything that Apple may not like and to never link to sites that Apple may not like. The 5 or 6 sites that are actual rumor sites are not the ones being affected here. Something like 30 sites have been blacklisted.
Re: It is NOT about Rumor Sites
Who? Or is this another one of those sites who are still "appealing..." And thus we can't know...
One last thing... Media passes are a privilage from apple to give to whom ever they think will do a good job. It's NOT your right just cause you consider your self media!!
Who?
Or is this another one of those sites who are still "appealing..." And thus we can't know... One last thing... Media passes are a privilage from apple to give to whom ever they think will do a good job. It's NOT your right just cause you consider your self media!!
As SYNERGY says rumor sites are not the press. Neither is CNN or Time the press, just part of the press. So then the question is what constitutes the press. Accuracy? Anybody remember the bomb and who the press claimed set it off at the 1996 Olympics. How many shots when Kennedy was shot?
Rumor sites tell us up front that their information is based on incomplete information. The "accuracy" is in connecting the dots of various reports and trying to draw a conclusion. Contrast that to Time or CNN etc. and their information is presented as fact based. However when viewed over time the fact based information press seems to have a slant. Again the reader is required to get their information from more than one source and play connect the dots. I think it's getting harder to define "the press".
I am not suggesting that rumor sites or any media has the right to free access to trade shows. I am suggesting that the vendors need the press to get their product information out to the non-attending public to sustain their cash flow and the press needs stories to present to their audience to sustain their cash flow. Finding a balance that works for both is the food for trial and error. Without the famous Mac user loyalty I think Apple's business behavior would be more congenial. Apple has lost over 40% of it's customer base in the last ten years and their still hard to deal with at times. What's that all about?
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a couple of 3 year olds squabbling and the members of the business world squabbling.
Rumor sites tell us up front that their information is based on incomplete information. The "accuracy" is in connecting the dots of various reports and trying to draw a conclusion. Contrast that to Time or CNN etc. and their information is presented as fact based. However when viewed over time the fact based information press seems to have a slant. Again the reader is required to get their information from more than one source and play connect the dots. I think it's getting harder to define "the press".
I am not suggesting that rumor sites or any media has the right to free access to trade shows. I am suggesting that the vendors need the press to get their product information out to the non-attending public to sustain their cash flow and the press needs stories to present to their audience to sustain their cash flow. Finding a balance that works for both is the food for trial and error. Without the famous Mac user loyalty I think Apple's business behavior would be more congenial. Apple has lost over 40% of it's customer base in the last ten years and their still hard to deal with at times. What's that all about?
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a couple of 3 year olds squabbling and the members of the business world squabbling.