What does this have anything to do with anything? So because you *personally* haven't heard of these sites, it is therefore beneath you, and beneath everyone else. How arrogant and foolish you are. Have we heard about you? What if you operated a small Apple certified repair company, and for one reason or other, Apple did something that eliminated all third party Apple ceritified repair centers? By your logic, we shouldn't give a damn about you, and your ****-out-of-luck job status. Therefore, anything that a large press outlet doesn't cover should not be worth thinking about? Did you even think about what you said? Do you even really understand what it is that people are complaining about? This has nothing to do with whether Macrumors, Thinksecret, etc. can get a press pass. You are an too close-minded, just my not so very humble opinion, on a close-minded person's opinion. It is so tiresome to have to read over and over and over people who glean their opinions from what was just said here. Anyway, flame away, I'm sure you have a tiresome retort ready to go...
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What does this have anything to do with anything? So because you *personally* haven't heard of these sites, it is therefore beneath you, and beneath everyone else. How arrogant and foolish you are. Have we heard about you? What if you operated a small Apple certified repair company, and for one reason or other, Apple did something that eliminated all third party Apple ceritified repair centers? By your logic, we shouldn't give a damn about you, and your ****-out-of-luck job status. Therefore, anything that a large press outlet doesn't cover should not be worth thinking about? Did you even think about what you said? Do you even really understand what it is that people are complaining about? This has nothing to do with whether Macrumors, Thinksecret, etc. can get a press pass. You are an too close-minded, just my not so very humble opinion, on a close-minded person's opinion. It is so tiresome to have to read over and over and over people who glean their opinions from what was just said here. Anyway, flame away, I'm sure you have a tiresome retort ready to go...
Just for the record... I haven't heard of those web sights either. And yes I have been "in the Mac" community ever sence Macs came out.
I mean, get real, I'm not a fan of some web sight, i'm an APPLE fan!! Always have been always will be!
I mean, get real, I'm not a fan of some web sight, i'm an APPLE fan!! Always have been always will be!
I'm assuming you've "heard of..."
...MacFixIt.com?
Macfixit has just went public that they are one of the 30 that had their media credentials revoked by Apple. There are far more large pieces to the puzzle of who else, but they are one of the largest to come forward right now...
So, to those that have been dismissing this as a rumor-site whine-fest...
Is MacFixIt.com a rumor site?
Of course not. But they have now been blacklisted. And we will, just like Scott and those of us have been trying to say for days now, see more revealed...
And maybe more will understand our frustration even if you don't know who some of us are.
-db
...MacFixIt.com?
Macfixit has just went public that they are one of the 30 that had their media credentials revoked by Apple. There are far more large pieces to the puzzle of who else, but they are one of the largest to come forward right now...
So, to those that have been dismissing this as a rumor-site whine-fest...
Is MacFixIt.com a rumor site?
Of course not. But they have now been blacklisted. And we will, just like Scott and those of us have been trying to say for days now, see more revealed...
And maybe more will understand our frustration even if you don't know who some of us are.
-db
Power-trip or protection?
These kind of heavy-handed tactics are best left to Microsoft...
I'm all for Apple doing what it needs to to protect its secrets, but ostracizing large parts of the Mac community is NOT the way to go.
Maybe they've lost sight of the faithful 5% now that their sole focus is the "other 95%"...???
These kind of heavy-handed tactics are best left to Microsoft...
I'm all for Apple doing what it needs to to protect its secrets, but ostracizing large parts of the Mac community is NOT the way to go.
Maybe they've lost sight of the faithful 5% now that their sole focus is the "other 95%"...???
Maybe Apple's just trying to save a few bucks?
I don't know if any of you folks have noticed, but the economy is going down the toilet these days. And it seems to have finally caught up with Apple, a bit. Maybe this move is just to save a few bucks? Goodness knows all of that free food and such is expensive, and denying smaller media sites press access will certainly cut costs a bit.
However, for the record, Apple is pretty darn notorious when it comes to trying to stifle the Mac-user community's flights of fancy about the future of Jobs and Co. and the nifty machines they produce. You would think that Apple would be somewhat open to fostering the productive cultism of its brand, instead of trying to stifle it. So what if that means being a little more open-minded when it comes to rumors being reported on by the slightly more mainstream Mac-Internet press.
It's hard for me to think of ANY web sites that cover the Mac world, and haven't EVER reported on a particularly virulent rumor that's being tossed about in the Mac community. I suppose Macnn, maccentral, xlr8yourmac, etc. etc. are among the effected? But come to think of it, Wired's web site also reports on Mac rumors occassionally. Will they also be denied press access? That would certainly be a bit surprising.
I think at the end of the day, we have to remember that Apple is a corporation, like all others. And whether or not they happen to alienate a relatively small portion of their user base, they will pursue, before all else, profit. And obviously they think that this move will either get them more profit, or will prevent the loss of some profit. Like it or not, that is the nature of big business. If it really pisses you off (as it very well might -- the pursuit of profit, above all else, certainly has an "evil" ring to it, if you ask me) I suggest you spend some time addressing the subject at large, and not just the tiny piece of it that happens to affect you personally (here I speak to the effected Mac-media outlets). Remember, off in some other world, millions of people toil for less than a dollar a day to make your shoes, clothing, and other goods we take for granted in the industrialized world. If anything in this strange world deserves more of an outcry, it's that basic fact. In that light, Apple press credentials become less of a serious issue, don't you think?
I don't know if any of you folks have noticed, but the economy is going down the toilet these days. And it seems to have finally caught up with Apple, a bit. Maybe this move is just to save a few bucks? Goodness knows all of that free food and such is expensive, and denying smaller media sites press access will certainly cut costs a bit.
However, for the record, Apple is pretty darn notorious when it comes to trying to stifle the Mac-user community's flights of fancy about the future of Jobs and Co. and the nifty machines they produce. You would think that Apple would be somewhat open to fostering the productive cultism of its brand, instead of trying to stifle it. So what if that means being a little more open-minded when it comes to rumors being reported on by the slightly more mainstream Mac-Internet press.
It's hard for me to think of ANY web sites that cover the Mac world, and haven't EVER reported on a particularly virulent rumor that's being tossed about in the Mac community. I suppose Macnn, maccentral, xlr8yourmac, etc. etc. are among the effected? But come to think of it, Wired's web site also reports on Mac rumors occassionally. Will they also be denied press access? That would certainly be a bit surprising.
I think at the end of the day, we have to remember that Apple is a corporation, like all others. And whether or not they happen to alienate a relatively small portion of their user base, they will pursue, before all else, profit. And obviously they think that this move will either get them more profit, or will prevent the loss of some profit. Like it or not, that is the nature of big business. If it really pisses you off (as it very well might -- the pursuit of profit, above all else, certainly has an "evil" ring to it, if you ask me) I suggest you spend some time addressing the subject at large, and not just the tiny piece of it that happens to affect you personally (here I speak to the effected Mac-media outlets). Remember, off in some other world, millions of people toil for less than a dollar a day to make your shoes, clothing, and other goods we take for granted in the industrialized world. If anything in this strange world deserves more of an outcry, it's that basic fact. In that light, Apple press credentials become less of a serious issue, don't you think?
Has anyone found out if the outlets who were refused PRESS passes are all web-only outlets? Could it be something as simple as Apple reserving PRESS passes for PRESS? I think it would be a mistake to do so, but it certainly would not be without precedent.
Media, not Press
Indy, don't be an idiot.
They are not PRESS passes, they are MEDIA passes. There are several kinds of media, periodical print, books, video, TV, and WEB. They are all legitimate forms to deseminate information.
You are obviously missing the point. Apple is blacklisting significant Web sites that are not rumor sites but they are calling them rumor sites for no better reason than that they sometimes link to rumor sites.
And, they have done it to sites that have been approved as media and then they are revoking the media pass just two weeks before the Expo after many editors have already made travel reservations.
It is not about free admission.
It is not about a free lunch.
It is about ACCESS.
An exhibits pass does not give you the same level of access. I know. I have gone to Expo, and Seybold, and PhotoPlus, and OnDemand on press passes for the last 4 years. I know the difference in access. It is important.
You do not have a clue. Use some of the effort that you have been putting into yor banal posts to getting a clue, willya?
As to whether a media outlet is significant enought to deserve a media pass or not... how do you think a media outlet becomes significant? They all start out as small publications and build readership and resources through hard work and ACCESS.
My puny little site is not the point. This has happened to many significant Web sites. MacFixIt is among the first to go public with their blacklist status, and they are still keeping a low profile. I am leading the thrust of exposure of this heinous attempt by Apple to coerce the Mac media outlets. It has little to do with me and my puny site, I am just the first one to be willing to take a strong stand.
Indy, don't be an idiot.
They are not PRESS passes, they are MEDIA passes. There are several kinds of media, periodical print, books, video, TV, and WEB. They are all legitimate forms to deseminate information.
You are obviously missing the point. Apple is blacklisting significant Web sites that are not rumor sites but they are calling them rumor sites for no better reason than that they sometimes link to rumor sites.
And, they have done it to sites that have been approved as media and then they are revoking the media pass just two weeks before the Expo after many editors have already made travel reservations.
It is not about free admission.
It is not about a free lunch.
It is about ACCESS.
An exhibits pass does not give you the same level of access. I know. I have gone to Expo, and Seybold, and PhotoPlus, and OnDemand on press passes for the last 4 years. I know the difference in access. It is important.
You do not have a clue. Use some of the effort that you have been putting into yor banal posts to getting a clue, willya?
As to whether a media outlet is significant enought to deserve a media pass or not... how do you think a media outlet becomes significant? They all start out as small publications and build readership and resources through hard work and ACCESS.
My puny little site is not the point. This has happened to many significant Web sites. MacFixIt is among the first to go public with their blacklist status, and they are still keeping a low profile. I am leading the thrust of exposure of this heinous attempt by Apple to coerce the Mac media outlets. It has little to do with me and my puny site, I am just the first one to be willing to take a strong stand.
Which part of that post answered the question?
Has anyone looked into whether Apple removed the access of any media that was NOT web-only? It was a pretty simple question.. the job of media is to answer those sorts of questions. I will resist the urge to draw conclusions from that.
Has anyone looked into whether Apple removed the access of any media that was NOT web-only? It was a pretty simple question.. the job of media is to answer those sorts of questions. I will resist the urge to draw conclusions from that.
Well considering the only media that aren't web only are a small handful of magazines, the main one of which is putting on the darn Expo, I'd assume its safe to say they'll keep their passes. See the eWeek article for a more thoughtful reasoning on why that is (and why eWeek can get away with talking openly about it).
But MacAddict.com, the web outlet of the magazine, would technically NOT qualify for a pass under the "commercial site" rules of MS&L. So, I bet if they have any dedicated staffers they'll only get in under the mag's umbrella.
And now the public list of banned media grows: Low End Mac, Insanely Great Mac...
But MacAddict.com, the web outlet of the magazine, would technically NOT qualify for a pass under the "commercial site" rules of MS&L. So, I bet if they have any dedicated staffers they'll only get in under the mag's umbrella.
And now the public list of banned media grows: Low End Mac, Insanely Great Mac...