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Apple Blocks Rumor Sites

Good!

Great, magnificent, bravo Apple!

Protect yourself however you need to. Rumor sites don't even need press credentials, and don't deserve them! The press is for NEWS, not rumors. So stop whining Think Secret, or I'll lose the small amount of respect I still have for you and all rumor sites.

Macrumors is good because it has an excellent board, many updates, and doesn't claim to be the possesor of all knowledge in the universe. Stay as you are, and to the rest, shape up!
 
I think the majority sentiment here is that it's hypocritical of a dumpster-diver like Nick DePlume of ThinkSecret to express moral outrage at Apple's legitimate business prerogative.

Right?
 
Originally posted by buffsldr


My bad, i didnt explain that well.

The week before MWSF, apple had a new slogan every day on its web site. One day they had "Beyond the rumor sites, way beyond."

I felt that by referencing the rumor sites, they were reaching out to their loyal fans. I thought it was cool. Now this. It doesnt really bother me, but security is their thing, rumor sites increase sales, dont they?
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rumor sites just increase the amount of drool the janitors need to weep off :D

lighten up people. life is unfair. let's all try to deal with it.

i guess, rumor sites increase the hype and enthusiasm. but i don't really the majority of rumor site readers would buy the best, fastest, coolest mac as soon as it gets announced.
 
Originally posted by syntax
I think the majority sentiment here is that it's hypocritical of a dumpster-diver like Nick DePlume of ThinkSecret to express moral outrage at Apple's legitimate business prerogative.

Right?
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More or less - yes. I didn't read the whole article, so I'm not sure he was expressing "moral outrage" which may be a bit strong, but his whining certainly is ridiculous.

I kind of hope it works, though. If some rumor site can get a free pass to MWNY, why not my son who writes for his elementary school paper? I'll start expressing outrage that Apple is ignoring the contributions of youngsters - maybe we can get a father-son pass or something.

:D
 
first...I'm surprised this is the first time they've actually made a move like this...

second...isn't it a bit ironic how they made fun of the rumor sites in their teasers...now they are shunning them?

makes u wonder why exactly...?!
 
I think Apple has a right to try to keep its plans under wraps untill they feel it's appropriate to roll them out. Having control over this information is important for a company's ability to implement its marketing and sales strategies. It's not like Apple is trying to hide a bogus balance sheet, like WorldCom or other companies. If sites like ThinkSecret or Mac Rumors (which I read every day and love) happen to find out a nice juicy piece of gossip about Apple, more power to them...but they can't seriously expect Apple to just roll over and give away the game!
 
moron

Just to add to what most of you have been saying, I can hardly believe that Nick dePlume thinks he has an argument at all. The article was almost enough to make me give up on reading ThinkSecret at all. Apple absolutely has the right to protect its intellectual property, using any legal means necessary, which obviously includes denying press passes to organizations that have, in its opinion, mishandled Apple's intellectual property in the past (which, I might add, Apple gave to them as a priviledge in the first place - or if not, that they freaking stole). Totally unbelievable.
 
Originally posted by buffsldr


My bad, i didnt explain that well.

The week before MWSF, apple had a new slogan every day on its web site. One day they had "Beyond the rumor sites, way beyond."

I felt that by referencing the rumor sites, they were reaching out to their loyal fans. I thought it was cool. Now this. It doesnt really bother me, but security is their thing, rumor sites increase sales, dont they?
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Yes but only because most readers are lurkers and read with HEAVY filtering. There is so much outright whining and attacking of Apple on rumour sites they will NEVER link to them from their web page since it would open their well groomed customer message to such things as, "damn Apple for not releasing the G5's in Titanium books last week", when the G5 is not even made in sufficient quantity for Apple to offer if they wanted to, and the issues of putting a server chip in a portable are almost insurmountable, and the person(s) posting are completely void of logic or perspective to begin with.

Even my relatively well thought out posts are not fodder for posting frenzies in reply because they are not provocative enough.

Perhaps if there were a MODERATED rumour site Apple would appreciate it. But what fun would that be? Then we could not have live, real-time, posting frenzies going on, on every inconceiveable tangent,well, conceivable.

Rocketman.

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God will not let me have it, so here it is.
 
I did read the article

Originally posted by Nebrie


Read the article, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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My point still stands, if apple wants to deny The New York Times Press credentials, they can. This isn't a free event, and anyone apple wishes to deny free entry, well, they just have to pay. As for my idea about apple being miffied, well, I would be. Jaguar s holding a lot of us on the line, looking for the big update. I know apple wants some press for it, but probably not the whole thing given away.

In re the people with JAguar comment, that was a joke meant for the people on the site who have "seen" JAguar from a "Friend."

I don't get into flame wars, but think about what your syaing before you say someone doesn't know what they are talking about. being Rude will get you nowhere.
 
Also, If I remember correctly, DePlume is around what seventeen years old? Its somewhere in the "how old are you thread." Anyway, as far as I know, he's a young guy, so I say give him a break for being a whinny little snot. A lot of the younger people here are mature and understanding, that doesn't mean that all of them are. He's wrong on this count, Apple has done nothing unethical. Think secret is still a pretty good site though, we're just spoiled because Macrumors is the best.
 
Think secret, right on...

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,338390,00.asp

So is eWeek wrong too? This is not about rumor sites being denied, this is about sites being called rumor sites to justify canning them...

Think Secret is merely barking for those of us who Apple has by the balls, they are not bemoaning their media passes, they know THEY don't get them. But there are sites that Apple is now canning media for that ARE NOT RUMOR SITES.

For example, Applelust.com is certainly not a rumor site. We're all reviews and long-winded articles that more often than not critize rumor sites. We were granted media passes for the last MacWorld Expos, and in fact for this upcoming one in NY... Until this Monday, when they were revoked because Apple cracked down on 30+ sites, and said we fell under the category of "rumor site". Some sites were denied not because they were rumor sites, but because a page linked to one at any point in its history.

And those that write for more than one site, even one Apple may deem legit, may be denied passes because of their employee relation to a suspect entity.

That's called "blacklisting" folks, and there's a reason some of these other major news sites are scared to report anything on it- they know it will happen to them (notice that MacObserver, MacCentral...etc has avoided even mentioning this, but thankfully relative giant eWeek has he balls to let their commentary run. Think Secret just used their platform to speak up for those of us under the gun, because they have nothing to lose... The rest of us have already lost.
 
Press Credentials

Is it really that suprising that Apple would try to control information about new products? I believe it is par for the course for Jobs to want to control everything given the show he seems to like to put on at these Expos.:cool:
 
Re: Think secret, right on...

Originally posted by deanb
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,338390,00.asp
That's called "blacklisting" folks, and there's a reason some of these other major news sites are scared to report anything on it- they know it will happen to them (notice that MacObserver, MacCentral...etc has avoided even mentioning this, but thankfully relative giant eWeek has he balls to let their commentary run. Think Secret just used their platform to speak up for those of us under the gun, because they have nothing to lose... The rest of us have already lost.
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Oh we know the truth *play suspense music* a grand conspiracy, we are brave for publicizing long winded articles.

Heh, for all we know apple is about to do a major announcement, but one that needs to be carefully controlled. What apple is doing is great; you have to control the story. Organizations that post rumors will not be spun, so they can not be used.

And for those of you who keep bringing up freedom of the press, or speech? That’s protection from the government, not a corporate entity.

I think a satire site needs to write a story about how the rumor sites were denied entrench to Job’s birthday, but using real “rumor site” quotes.

Added: entrench is not a typo.
 
They aren't banned from attending...

The rumor sites aren't banned from attending the keynote...
or Mac World for that matter... they're just not getting PRESS PASSES.

I don't know what the big deal is. Rumor sites aren't news sites...
they don't run benchmarks or review products. They're fun to read
and try to guess what's next but that's about it. I can see why apple
doesn't encourage them. It diminishes the impact of their press events
and when way off base creates false product anticipation.

and anyway... if you're a rumor site... don't you already know what's going
to happen? why do you even need to attend?
 
Nobody is claiming the rumor sites are the press.. They're not even claiming it.. they're saying The Bigger Mac News Sites That Do Not Focus On Rumors, Just Actual Reporting may be banned for even doing some investigative reporting or even having a link to a rumor site somewhere in their article or site.

Please re-read the whole thing and comment on the article, not the other comments. :eek:
 
Allright, I read the article again...
It still doesn't say that these sites cannot go to MacWorld. It just says that they can't go for free. As was mentioned before, its a write off for them anyway, so its next to free even if they pay. Should apple pay for their plane tickets and hotel too? Come on, now. This article is entirely unsubstaniated. There is no real evidence, just a bunch of vauge references to threats from Apple against some misterious news source. Furhtermore:

Because it denies you the right to know, and it is a right

This is ridiculous. You have absolutely no right to know. Nowhere are you gaurunteed the right to know a COMPANIES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, by anybody. Companies are required to file certian forms and reports, and Apple does so. Further than that, they can tell you or not. IF they tell one person and no one else, the info affects the stock price, and that person trades on their knowledge, its illigal and they go to jail. This is why people who test the new machines sign confidentiality agreements, which are perfectly legal and quite binding.

But this statement is ridiculous for another reason. They aren't denying them information anyway, they simply are not paying for them to get it. The info is free, they can watch the broadcast. If they want to be there in person, they can pay.

Sorry to go off, but this seems pretty cut and dry. People keep saying read the article, I've read it three times, now. Its a crappy article, its arrogant and badly written. But it doesn't say that these companies are being denied entry, they just aren't being granted free entry.
 
banned?

They're not being banned. They're not getting PRESS treatment.

Face it if a journalist or news site turns to a RUMOR site for info or a story then they are hurting their standing as a news source.

Apple should and does tightly control information. As they should.
Apple has been burned by rumors and bad press. It's bad enough
that they get scant recognition or praise in the Tech press.
But to have rumor sites steal thier thunder... that's more salt in the wound.
 
oh my god...

hello, this is not about the rumor sites, but about the regular mac news sites...

and having your credentials pulled is a BIG deal, this isn't about getting in free (look, an exhibits pass is less than $20)- but if you don't have credentials, you can't meet with vendors, and some of these sites have strong relationships with vendors that will now be questioned if not terminated.

plus, a journalist without credentials, much less one who has had them denied, will have a hard time finding work in their industry, especially if they're blacklisted.

and again, this is not about people who even rely on rumor sites or quote from them. apple is not being very picky here, they are outright banning small to medium sized mac industry press under the "rumor" guise- Applelust is a perfect example, how in the heck could anyone get us mixed up with a rumor site? And yet we, and a gaggle of others were banned. There is your example...

No one is saying Apple can't protect its secrets, but you have to remember, this is not Apple's expo, it's IDG. There's a huge conflict of interest when an exhibitor is pulling rank on sites they feel are questionable, but that have already been given credentials by a wholly separate firm hired to check for legitimacy and credentials- that means that legitimate press are having already given cred revoked...
 
Originally posted by dricci
Nobody is claiming the rumor sites are the press.. They're not even claiming it.. they're saying The Bigger Mac News Sites That Do Not Focus On Rumors, Just Actual Reporting may be banned for even doing some investigative reporting or even having a link to a rumor site somewhere in their article or site.
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Wow, FEMA just might use terrorist attacks to establish a NWO, but until we have evidence of this it’s a non-issue, so until we find a few of the “The Bigger Mac News Sites” being denied press passes it is a non-issue too.
 
Re: oh my god...

Originally posted by deanb

No one is saying Apple can't protect its secrets, but you have to remember, this is not Apple's expo, it's IDG. There's a huge conflict of interest when an exhibitor is pulling rank on sites they feel are questionable, but that have already been given credentials by a wholly separate firm hired to check for legitimacy and credentials- that means that legitimate press are having already given cred revoked...
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And what would happen to MacWorld NY if apple stopped showing up... MWNY is as much apples as it is IDG's
 
I know of at least one of the top 5...

...that's under the gun right now. It will come out. It's not my right to say on others, but I can certainly talk about my personal situation, which is pretty convincing proof to me.
 
What would happen if Apple didn't show up? Ask our European posters who went without Apple for their expos for awhile.
 
Originally posted by deanb
What would happen if Apple didn't show up? Ask our European posters who went without Apple for their expos for awhile.
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I hope that was a joke, Mac needs an east coast Expo. They would have another eastcoast Expo and MWNY would lose its thunder.
 
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